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Old 03-12-2006, 12:04 AM
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You know what id do? get a dualist, slap it on a cowbell mount. Just imagine! double cowbell solos!
Exactly....more cowbell. I tried out the Dualist at the NAMM show several years ago and I'm kinda suprised it's still being made. So someone out there, or lot's of someones are buying it.They won't be seeing my wallet, however.
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Old 03-12-2006, 12:08 AM
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The duallist reminds me of the Shaver companies .
2 blades now 3 now 4 where will it end......
Oh wait a triple pedal on each side......
More toys
Seriously I have tried the Dualist at NAMM
And it simple to use but....
My problem with it is .... I am NOT really playing the patterns it was producing.
So in my opinion it is an FX pedal like a delay you are not really playing the echo.
Duallist echo pedal LOL
Just my 3 cents I am getting greedy!
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Old 03-12-2006, 06:55 AM
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And it simple to use but....
My problem with it is .... I am NOT really playing the patterns it was producing.
So in my opinion it is an FX pedal like a delay you are not really playing the echo.
Duallist echo pedal LOL
Just my 3 cents I am getting greedy!
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just to keep things straight on this pedal, so as not to confuse it even more, you actually WERE playing the patterns that the pedal was producing. your foot goes down, the beater strikes. your foot comes back up, the other beater strikes. the player remains in total control of both beaters. it's not like an echo pedal at all.
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Old 03-13-2006, 05:34 AM
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id consider it an echo pedal, cause ur not actually playing the 2nd note the pedal is.
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Old 03-13-2006, 10:26 AM
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you actually WERE playing the patterns that the pedal was producing. your foot goes down, the beater strikes. your foot comes back up, the other beater strikes. the player remains in total control of both beaters. it's not like an echo pedal at all.
Actually, from what we've read on here, the foot coming up doesn't always trigger the second beater, if you don't do it just right?

Wouldn't that be more like a "tap in" function of a digital delay. I.e., you stomp down to start the timer, then when your foot comes up, it determines the tempo for the one delay note?

In any case, if it produces a sound on the way down then up, the only way to play triplets is to go DOWN UP DOWN, then NEVER let your foot off the pedal again!!!! Or, your next down beat is no an UPSTROKE with the pedal.

Aggghhh, forget that noise!

Good shaver analogy Tim. You know us Americans...bigger is better! (More is better in this case???). Ughh, that's one thing I don't miss about the States for sure.
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Old 03-13-2006, 08:43 PM
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Actually, from what we've read on here, the foot coming up doesn't always trigger the second beater, if you don't do it just right?

Wouldn't that be more like a "tap in" function of a digital delay. I.e., you stomp down to start the timer, then when your foot comes up, it determines the tempo for the one delay note?

In any case, if it produces a sound on the way down then up, the only way to play triplets is to go DOWN UP DOWN, then NEVER let your foot off the pedal again!!!! Or, your next down beat is no an UPSTROKE with the pedal.

Aggghhh, forget that noise!.
theres no "trick" to getting the second beater to strike. you put your foot down to play one beat, and when your foot comes back up to the starting position, the second beater strikes. theres a strap and a spring that use the momentum of the upstroke to swing the second beater. it basically works like a normal bass pedal stroke, but in reverse which is why the springs are so tight, and why the springs force the footboard back into the up position. if you were to apply some pressure and not let the footboard come all the way back up, the beater wouldnt strike until the footboard came back up.

and to play triplets, your assumptio is correct. down, up, down then up,down,up for the second triplet. its like a strange version of lrl rlr lrl rlr
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Old 04-07-2006, 08:40 PM
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I've wanted a Duallist for years and finally got one last week. I've spent years developing superb single-pedal chops and left-foot hi-hat skills. I've tried double pedals a few times but they are clumsy and disorienting and thought this could help out.

HOW COW! The Duallist has unleashed a dormant skill that was just waiting for the right instrument to bring it out. I'm playing funky triplets, shuffles, you name it - all interlaced with mad hi-hat stops, splashes, shimmers, closed-open grooves, etc. It's just hell of FUN to play.

If the Duallist is cheating, then traditional double pedals are dumb and inefficient. Actually, double pedals are cheating because shouldn't a drummer be able to play everything he needs with one single pedal??

More than any other instrument, drums are marked by invention, experimentation, innovation and trying new ways. If we listened to those who shriek "CHEATER!" we'd still be hitting rawhide drums with mastodon bones (actually, sticks are a simple machine that allow faster action than the hand, so sticks are cheating too).

So, go ahead and invest thousands of hours in getting your left foot to do what your right foot does just fine and neglect your hi-hit skills while you're at it. As for me, I'll let my left foot do what it does best and my right foot do what it does best and I'll smoke any two-footed player with one foot and the Duallist!! HAHA and sorry that your many hours of practice don't mean squat because of your outdated and inefficient double pedals.

While you're at it, I can make you a great deal on some slightly used mastodon bones. They'll compliment your double pedals well.
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Old 04-08-2006, 07:46 AM
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Ok, that was really weird.

Thanks for posting that Brokenhalo (kinda). That was the kind of response this thread needed 4 pages ago. Someone who knows what they are talking about and explained the shortcomings very well!

Too bad your first post on here was to call out a plagiarist. ;-)
here's a thought... read the entire post first ...then open your mouth
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Old 04-09-2006, 02:08 AM
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With the duelist double, I guess the only way to do a real triplet (unlike their non-triplet demo) would be DUD UDU DUD UDU, but who thinks in Up and Down when playing a pedal? And god forbid if you end on a down beat, because you are gonna get the upbeat weather you want it or not (as soon as you lift your foot).

This is the main problem with this contraption.

Oh and yeah, before you guys say it, no I haven't used it, but I saw enough on their own promotional videos to smell a skunk.
This is a common mistake for those who are not familiar with The Duallist and its subtleties. Because all they know is the inefficient ham-handedness of traditional double pedals, they assume The Duallist has the same limitations. It doesn't.

At first, I thought you'd only be able to play LRLRLRLR patterns on The Duallist. In fact, you are playing on two planes, separated by a midpoint. At the midpoint, both beaters are even and the same distance from the drum head (around two inches or more, depending on individual settings).

When you press down on the pedal (going south of the midpoint), the primary beater moves to the head and the secondary moves away. You could play south of the midpoint all the time, so the secondary beater would just flop around but never come close enough to contacting the head. Likewise, you could stay north of the midpoint and play with the secondary beater only - the primary beater would flop around, but never contact the head. (In this case, you're training your foot to play a note on the upstroke, which is pretty difficult, but if you have a well-trained right foot, it's not that hard.)

So, you could play paradiddles, double strokes, ratamacues, flams, etc., simply by playing combinations of strokes above and below the midpoint, all with one foot. This takes practice! About the only thing you can't do on The Duallist that you could do on a traditional double pedal is splashes (both beaters hitting at the same time).

As I said, for those who have a well-developed right foot, this will come quickly with practice. But if you've spent years and years building your technique around the wastefulness, inefficiency and clumsiness of traditional double pedals, you're rightly going to feel threatened.

For those with good right foot technique, The Duallist catapults you past the drudgery of re-learning basic patterns on two feet and it immediately gets you into new, exciting and FUN creative territory.
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Old 04-09-2006, 11:21 AM
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Well, if traditional pedals are "dumb and inefficient", how does one do an accent of the upstroke? Hmmmm?

"actually, sticks are a simple machine that allow faster action than the hand, so sticks are cheating too" - making a comment like that. It's not in the same category as this pedal. you are still doing the work, it is NOT cheating, it is so we can play without hurting ourselves. If it is, throw down your sticks and hit your cymbals with your bare hands. Saying that is the equivalent of saying PEDALS are cheating. double the Duallist.

"So, go ahead and invest thousands of hours in getting your left foot to do what your right foot does just fine and neglect your hi-hit skills while you're at it. As for me, I'll let my left foot do what it does best and my right foot do what it does best and I'll smoke any two-footed player with one foot and the Duallist!! HAHA and sorry that your many hours of practice don't mean squat because of your outdated and inefficient double pedals." - making a stupid comment like that is completely unneccesary. With trad. double pedals, your left foot is independant and still does the work. With the Duallist, it is just a mechanism performing it for you. Double pedals aren't cheating for this reason.

So go on, do double's, paradilles, FLAMS and ratamacues with your "Duallist" as well and efficiantly and cleanly as with a double, oh wait, it's just a stupid gimmick. Because it is stupid. Go play with mastodon bones. I can guarantee that thereare thousand that could "smoke" you and your one foot with ease. Using it is just like using a trigger to double your hit, you're only putting in half the effort, and I bet that it feels like sh*t.
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Old 04-10-2006, 04:23 AM
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So go on, do double's, paradilles, FLAMS and ratamacues with your "Duallist" as well and efficiantly and cleanly as with a double, oh wait, it's just a stupid gimmick. Because it is stupid. Go play with mastodon bones. I can guarantee that thereare thousand that could "smoke" you and your one foot with ease. Using it is just like using a trigger to double your hit, you're only putting in half the effort, and I bet that it feels like sh*t.
maybe DMC is bragging a bit much about his prowess, but calling this pedal a "gimmick" and likening it to a trigger that doubles your hit (what trigger does that btw? i cant think of any.) is just proving your ignorance and the fact that you havent actually played this pedal or read what people who have played this pedal have written about it. its not cheating and what ive written and what DMC has reiterated prove that fact.
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Old 04-10-2006, 10:19 AM
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likening it to a trigger that doubles your hit (what trigger does that btw? i cant think of any.)

You've never heard of digital delay?
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Old 04-10-2006, 11:29 PM
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You've never heard of digital delay?
sure i have! but thats not what a trigger does. thats an outboard effect. just semantics, but i'll flesh it out a little bit.. even if you were to use a digital delay with a triggered drum, it wouldn't sound right anyway. i've played extensively with the onboard d.d. on my td-20 and with running a line out into a boss dd-6 guitar pedal. nothing really sounds "proper" coming out of either box. although using a dd-6 to loop short drum phrases and playing over them is quite fun, there's really no way to make a trigger/d.d. cheat in the way that chip implied.
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Old 04-10-2006, 11:32 PM
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really glad you're making out allright with that pedal. i didn't want to invest the time in learning how to tame that beast, but i could definitly see the possibilities that it held. good luck to you .
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Old 04-11-2006, 07:55 PM
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Thanks for the good wishes, brokenhalo, and I'll post updated on my experiences with the pedal. It seems there is an overabundance of opinion here on The Duallist, but a lack of input here from people who actually use the thing.

Another reason why I can't play a double pedal is that I already have a pedal for a percussion item, a hi-hat and a variable pitch drum (see www.b-radpercussion.com) as well as the bass drum. I simply can't FIT a fifth pedal into my setup. The Duallist uses space very efficiently.
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Old 04-15-2006, 02:12 PM
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Yeah, my comments were a bit harsh....

I personally wouldn't get one, as I've just finally grasped heel toe(speaking of which, you should attempt heel toe with this pedal, THAT would be crazy), thus disbanding my interest in this product. I just feel that if you're not doing the action, it's just not cricket. It would be like having sticks that bounce twice without your guidance. I'm not jumping on the "it's cheating" bandwagon, it just feels like it has a different, mechanical feel. Like the accents would never be as loud as the downstroke.

In retrospect, if you find it better and easier, why bother with what anybody else says? You're happy with it, and can use it well, and that's all that matters.
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Old 04-15-2006, 10:37 PM
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sure i have! but thats not what a trigger does. thats an outboard effect. just semantics,

My only three experiences in three years of drum teching with drummers using triggers, all three of them had some sort of ability to "tap in" the digital delay rate with their triggers. I thought it was cheezy (and still do). To me it was like playing keyboards with your feet.

Just my experience; maybe more guys use them in more of a legit way, and less of an electronic gimmick.
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That's exactly how I feel about it. It's just not right.
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Old 04-17-2006, 08:13 PM
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Yeah, my comments were a bit harsh....

I personally wouldn't get one, as I've just finally grasped heel toe(speaking of which, you should attempt heel toe with this pedal, THAT would be crazy), thus disbanding my interest in this product. I just feel that if you're not doing the action, it's just not cricket. It would be like having sticks that bounce twice without your guidance. I'm not jumping on the "it's cheating" bandwagon, it just feels like it has a different, mechanical feel. Like the accents would never be as loud as the downstroke.

In retrospect, if you find it better and easier, why bother with what anybody else says? You're happy with it, and can use it well, and that's all that matters.

Chip, what is the "heel toe" technique of which you speak? Do you mean a Vruk attachment? It would indeed be crazy to mate a Duallist with a Vruk - The Vrukist. (I would laugh my head off if any Duallist purists cried, "THAT'S CHEATING!")

Also, as I play more with The Duallist, I am becoming aware of some of its limitations. I am finding that you cannot make the secondary beater ever hit as hard as the first (as your intuition told you), although you can make it sound pretty good anyway by adjusting tension, stroke length, etc.

The Duallist makes some things easier, such as shuffles and simple sixteenths (and that covers a lot of musical territory right there). But other things are harder than a double pedal, such as double-stroke rolls, paradiddles and anything not in the LRLRLRLR mode. Some things are impossible, such as splashes. But The Duallist allows some things that are impossible on a double pedal, such as keeping the left foot on the hi-hat or percussion item.

On the other hand, the fact that you're using your well-trained right foot helps somewhat. I'm finding my right foot is waiting and eager to do the subtle movements The Duallist requires and it is coming along with practice.
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Old 04-18-2006, 06:26 AM
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Heel-toe is difficult to explain...... I've known about it for a few months and I'm only just starting to beable to do it cleanly and faster than heel up.
You don't need the Vruk to do it, essentially you stomp the pedal (don't break it haha) and as you do, with your foot on the heel plate, roll your foot up, using the heel as fulcrum, and play a normal heel down stroke. Derrick Pope said his heel toe video is due thurs-fri, so get it.

I feel that one will never be able to put they're soul into it (second stroke) with the duallist. Great invention though. Sounds corny, but..........
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Old 04-20-2006, 12:44 PM
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It looks so cheaply made. Is that pink and black plastic??
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Old 04-20-2006, 05:10 PM
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It looks so cheaply made. Is that pink and black plastic??
Indeed it is made of plastic, but it's incredibly strong. It's made of Zytel, the same stuff they use for car engine parts. This is the early 21st century so don't be too surprised there's a plastic that has the strength of steel at a fraction of the weight.

And yes, that is an unabashedly hot pink logo sticker on the footboard. This is a drum pedal, not a cello, so a little flamboyance is understandable.
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Old 04-20-2006, 09:07 PM
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the zytel was an interesting way to go, but i found that it made the pedal feel kinda jumpy. with all the tension that those two springs create, it felt almost like the pedal was going to jump up in the air on the upstroke.a heavier mount might have made it feel a little nicer, and i have to agree that the hot pink lettering was a little offsetting....(insert lighthearted "finally, a drum pedal made for girls" joke here).
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Strangely enough, I was messing around with my pedal, and the thing is that heavy, that when it's not clamped onto the bass drum, it actually builds up enough momentum, and starts swinging both beaters! It loooked like a bloody Duallist when I was doing it...
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Old 05-04-2006, 07:09 PM
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guess what, people? I ordered my Duallist double pedal about 3 months ago and have been tinkering with its setup and feel, which i find to be the ONLY thing wrong with the duallist (it takes lots of patience and trial and error to get the pedal in proper place to your liking). and now that derrick has put out his videos on these awesome techniques, not only will i be able to master moeller and heel/toe technique, but since i have a duallist i can take it one step further and see how the heel/toe can affect double beaters on one pedal...can you imagine what can come of this?

oh the possibilities...for those skeptical about the duallist just know that if you are willing to put in the necessary time to set it up and get the maximum feel you want, you can achieve everything double pedal players can do, and more. you can accent your rolls without having to consciously think about making more than one stroke or move. and what about THREE beaters on TWO pedals? for those who are all about the traditional double pedal, duallist offers double pedal experts the chance to play three beaters at once! crazy man...but for now im sticking with the double duallist and see what kinds of rhythms i can create.

i don't know why there is so much hate surrounding the duallist. like someone posted earlier, if we listened to those crying "CHEATER" we would still be beating on animal skin drums with big mallets...
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Wow. I am really flabberghasted by this whole thread. And to think I sat around wondering why in the hell we don't have a workable 1 lug tuning system for drums (Arbiter), so I can tune my drums ON the stand. Things move on guys. What used to take hundreds of men with shovels, now takes one bulldozer. Double pedal was widely regarded as "cheating" when it first came out, now it is common. And so it goes. Let me just toss one thing back, that I have heard over and over again


A GOOD drummer serves the music, not his ego.

That is directly from many, many drummers in this group. If you can find a way to make the dualist serve the music, use it, and laugh all the way to the bank. Nuff said, and I'm done.
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Old 05-05-2006, 06:30 AM
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And to think I sat around wondering why in the hell we don't have a workable 1 lug tuning system for drums (Arbiter)

isnt that system brilliant? whoever invented that needs better marketing people. drummers should be marching in the streets to get that universalized. but i bet only a handful of people even on this forum know what were talking about. also, always wanted to try out a flats kit. they just look so cool!
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It is brilliant. I cannot, for the life of me, understand why it has never become popular. Well, after reading this thread I can sort of see why, not understand, but see why. I actually thought about writing Arbiter and going into drum building just to try and do my bit to popularize that tuning system.
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Old 05-05-2006, 10:53 AM
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They are popular, amongst orchestral percussionists. It is to my understanding that modern tunable Tympani use a one-lug system so that you can change the note instantaneously with a pedal.
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Old 05-05-2006, 04:58 PM
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the duallist isnt exactly good, but it isnt exactly bad either. if you could set it up so that it sounds flawless hey congratulations. then again i dont think it'll sound good if say, you tried to do moeller or heel toe on the pedal that has the two beaters. i think the duallist is just a high speed triplet pedal mechanism. kinda like overspeeding gadd's ramaques on the kick.

innovations are really helpful yeah, but some just are annoying in a way that we rely on the machines more than we rely on ourselves. if this continues, i predict a duallist with two beaters connected to a pedal totalling four pedals [which btw, imo, i think is more acceptable than the current three beater duallist] and sticks with bending shoulders just like the bending necks some badminton racquets have now.
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Old 05-05-2006, 10:03 PM
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the duallist isnt exactly good, but it isnt exactly bad either. if you could set it up so that it sounds flawless hey congratulations. then again i dont think it'll sound good if say, you tried to do moeller or heel toe on the pedal that has the two beaters. i think the duallist is just a high speed triplet pedal mechanism. kinda like overspeeding gadd's ramaques on the kick.

innovations are really helpful yeah, but some just are annoying in a way that we rely on the machines more than we rely on ourselves. if this continues, i predict a duallist with two beaters connected to a pedal totalling four pedals [which btw, imo, i think is more acceptable than the current three beater duallist] and sticks with bending shoulders just like the bending necks some badminton racquets have now.

Great ideas! You should work in product development for a drum company.
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They are popular, amongst orchestral percussionists. It is to my understanding that modern tunable Tympani use a one-lug system so that you can change the note instantaneously with a pedal.
I got me one of these in March - freakin' awesome!

A foot operated variable pitch drum for the drumset:

www.b-radpercussion.com
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Old 05-06-2006, 05:50 AM
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Great ideas! You should work in product development for a drum company.
lol. frankly, about the four-beater duallist yeah i think it might be better than the 3 beater duallist that's currently on.. i think at least with the four-beater you might still be able to apply the techniques you use on an ordinary double pedal. hehehe.

i dont want to work in a drum development company that produces weird stuff that takes the importance of technique away.. like i dunno, a double headed y shaped stick?

my final point is, i dont think people should rely on products like duallist to improve their sound [note: sound, not playing]... if you saw me im a real bad drummer... i do the right basic stuff, like gripping the stick and not pulling up and upstrokes and letting the stick bounce [im working on the moeller].... but you wont see me play rudiments or double bass or just a plain roll. my left side of the body is that weak. but i work around my own problems and at the end of the day i still sound good, at least in my opinion, even if i dont do the stuff regular drummers can do. you wont see me use a duallist or that fictitious bendable shoulder stick i was talking about on my last post :P
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Old 05-06-2006, 10:32 PM
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well, at least it's now being viewed as a matter of taste and not a matter of cutting corners...
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Old 05-08-2006, 06:35 PM
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you wont see me use a duallist or that fictitious bendable shoulder stick i was talking about on my last post :P
Actually, you likely already use a bendable shoulder stick. People have been using them for decades.

Ever wonder why drumsticks have a taper (besides making them look cool)? On imapact, the tapered part bends upward, storing energy and imparting it downward. This is known as "bounce." Try playing timbale sticks (which have no taper) and you'll see the bounce is greatly reduced. To play timbale sticks with as much fluidity and speed as tapered sticks takes a great deal of technique, because you don't have the taper of the stick doing the work for you. You do have to control the bounce in a tapered stick, however, which takes a whole new set of skills.

The only difference between a "cheat" and the "industry standard" is the number of people who use something and the length of time they have been using it.
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personally i hate the dualist, i dont care if you use one, but if your going to use one, dont expect to get as much credit as guys who use regular double pedals hence single pedals, and dont get cocky about how fast u can get with a dualist (lars ulrich), cuz its easy as hell to get speed with dualists. we dont care if u can play just as fast as we can with a dualist, because your not, ur feet arent moving as fast as are feet, ure just getting a faster sound and being lazy at the same time.isnt technology great?! haha jk, next thing you know, there gonna be making sticks that branch off into 2 ends so u can can play faster, lmao... if u wanna get fast, take the time and practice to get fast. dont get a dualist and cheat at it.
There are times when it would be useful. You can do a roll with your dualist while opening and closing your hi hats. Thats it! a dualist hi hat stand! Lol that would be so cool You get a dualist hi hat stand on your left and a dualist remote hi hat to your right. That would sound so cool.
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Actually, you likely already use a bendable shoulder stick. People have been using them for decades.

Ever wonder why drumsticks have a taper (besides making them look cool)? On imapact, the tapered part bends upward, storing energy and imparting it downward. This is known as "bounce." Try playing timbale sticks (which have no taper) and you'll see the bounce is greatly reduced. To play timbale sticks with as much fluidity and speed as tapered sticks takes a great deal of technique, because you don't have the taper of the stick doing the work for you. You do have to control the bounce in a tapered stick, however, which takes a whole new set of skills.

The only difference between a "cheat" and the "industry standard" is the number of people who use something and the length of time they have been using it.
thanks for the physics facts dude. learned a lot in there. although i was talking about something more bendy, perhaps a spring core oak stick with the shoulder instead of wood is made of mylar or something, just so the stick would felx more..

but really i like the facts... :P im a physics freak lol
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There are times when it would be useful. You can do a roll with your dualist while opening and closing your hi hats. Thats it! a dualist hi hat stand! Lol that would be so cool You get a dualist hi hat stand on your left and a dualist remote hi hat to your right. That would sound so cool.
for that thing i think the sonor pedal [i forgot what it's called] that's a single pedal with 2 beaters [and i think the 2nd beater is controlled on the back part of the pedal using your heel, at least by looking at the pic] would be better that a duallist. i think that sonor pedal is way better than the duallist in any way.
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for that thing i think the sonor pedal [i forgot what it's called] that's a single pedal with 2 beaters [and i think the 2nd beater is controlled on the back part of the pedal using your heel, at least by looking at the pic] would be better that a duallist. i think that sonor pedal is way better than the duallist in any way.

Well, I'm not able to say myself, since I've never played a Sonor pedal of any kind before.

But I can tell you after a month of playing the Duallist it has unleashed a dormant skill in my right foot and I am playing mad patterns, much to the delight of myself, my band mates and the audience. The Duallist cuts throught the inefficiency, wastefulness and tedium of the double pedal and allows those with good right foot chops to immediately plunge into fun of double-beater possibilities. And I get to lace the bass drum rhythms with full hi-hat action, something impossible with double pedals.

As for the Duallist "doing the work for you," I have used the pedal for many hours now and it only puts out what you put into it. I even sat looking at it once to see if it would start playing on its own. No dice.
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