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Old 04-15-2013, 12:23 AM
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Default The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa5JsiMe6Qc

A great message from Mike Johnston
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:33 AM
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Agreed 100%. Too much trash talking out there that only serves to discourage people. Count me in.
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:47 AM
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:49 AM
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Default Re: The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

its very true. nice words from a nice guy.
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:00 AM
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All true..... I always try to do my best not to condone someone's playing.

Additionally I try to go out of my way to state that just because the music isn't my "bag" doesn't mean it's not valid. Similarly, why should I think the music I play is the only valid music. In fact, it's only valid to me.

I especially love the part about him talking about someone saying negative stuff about someone elses playing due to their own insecurities. So true...

I have a theory that I posted in a recent thread I believe some people think they are "that good" as a result of being told by others they are so. I guess once they've been told it so many times, they believe it themselves. Those people are sad in many ways, they just don't know it.

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Old 04-15-2013, 01:00 AM
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Default Re: The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

I love this...it's exactly what this forum has done for me. :).
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:16 AM
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Old 04-15-2013, 02:24 AM
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Default Re: The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

Great message. I think this goes with so much more than just playing the drums. We as people need to encourage each other in our endeavours. I wonder how many people have just given up because of negative comments, or no positive encouragment at all?
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:15 AM
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Great message. I think this goes with so much more than just playing the drums. We as people need to encourage each other in our endeavours. I wonder how many people have just given up because of negative comments, or no positive encouragment at all?
I couldn't agree with you more!

You never know how much negativity another person has had to endure and one more negative comment could be all they need to give up completely, something positive can completely turn that around - whatever aspect of life it may be.

I really respect Mike a lot for doing this, hopefully right now there's some people out there who needed a bit less hate and a bit more encouragement, who are getting just that! :)
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Old 04-15-2013, 03:45 AM
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Default Re: The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

Just shared it on facebook. I think it's a good idea. I met Mike not too long ago as he gave a clinic in a store where I teach. I got to meet a really good drummer and an even better human being. After seeing that clinic and getting to know a bit more about him I can say that I appreciate him and what he does to the drumming community much more.
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Default Re: The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

IMO- The greatest insult is the complete absence of replies whenever someone posts in the Your Playing section or wherever (negative feedback/ constructive criticism at least implies someone has taken an interest).
FYI- there are currently over 1200 threads with zero replies in the Your Playing section alone (that's a lot of discouraged drummers right there).
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:39 AM
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Great idea/concept, and I do feel guilty to some degree. I tend to pick out the negative aspects and what can be criticized - because personally that's what I tend to do, in order to identify what could be worked on for better overall results. But this can be interpreted by others like ranting.

Todd is right, many threads in the My Playing section go uncommented. Although often times that's because (my guess, and from my experience) people don't always have the time/mood to sit down and check out stuff...
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:38 AM
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IMO- The greatest insult is the complete absence of replies whenever someone posts in the Your Playing section or wherever (negative feedback/ constructive criticism at least implies someone has taken an interest).
FYI- there are currently over 1200 threads with zero replies in the Your Playing section alone (that's a lot of discouraged drummers right there).
I completely get that. Accordingly, I try my best with the time I have, to reply to as many as I can. That said, there are also some that I don't reply to, unless there's something exceptional going on. For example, players who don't engage in any other part of the forum, but just post a link to their cover on as many sites as possible. I get the promotional reasons for doing that, but equally, I feel no obligation to respond. TBH, I have little time for drum covers anyhow. Someone who takes an active role in the forum is another matter all together. Similarly, someone posting their playing for the first time, whether an active forum participant or not, gets a response from me more often than not.

I'm always positive, never negative in terms of my general demeanour, but there are sometimes negative aspects to what I have to say. Sorry, criticism is negative by it's very nature, but should always be delivered in a positive & supportive way. Saying overtly positive things for the sake of it may indeed be an insult in itself. There's a fine line to be drawn, & every context is different. Clearly, you're not going to use the same bar with a seasoned player than you are with someone who is very early in their journey. Similarly, you're not going to react in the same way to someone who proclaims they're a superstar drummer as you do to someone who is humble in their presentation.

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Old 04-15-2013, 08:57 AM
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IMO- The greatest insult is the complete absence of replies whenever someone posts in the Your Playing section or wherever (negative feedback/ constructive criticism at least implies someone has taken an interest).
FYI- there are currently over 1200 threads with zero replies in the Your Playing section alone (that's a lot of discouraged drummers right there).
In my view, there's just nothing to say most of the time. That's not to say their playing is bad, or excellent or anywhere in between, it's just that somebody posting up their playing (unless it has a unique property) is not a great conversation starter.
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:33 AM
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Default Re: The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

Agree with this completely , count me in. However, I've seen some drummers getting worse by the years, just my opinion.
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Default Re: The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

I'm sure I've been guilty in the past. Must do better.

Anyway, I spent a week with Mike in his drum camp and he's a straight-ahead top bloke.

He has suffered from trolls himself and so he knows how it feels.

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Old 04-15-2013, 05:43 PM
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I can't understand why people make nasty comments. As my old mum used to say, "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." It's unforgivable. And that's why all my YouTube videos are unlisted.

However, it's all too easy to be taken the wrong way when comments are merely written down. There's no inflexion in the voice, no little smile, no raised eybrows which can soften words that might otherwise sound a little harsh even if that isn't the intention.

I haven't ventured into the Your Playing section yet, partly because I don't feel qualified to comment on somebody else's playing. Then again, if I simply said "I really liked that!", would that be a completely meaningless comment, coming from somebody like me rather than from somebody who knew what they were talking about?
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:27 PM
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I find that I'm guilty of not checking the My Playing section and that stops today.

Mike is a great drummer who is willing to share his talant and knowledge with anyone who wants it,but there is always the sefl centered troll that posts something nnot just negative,but hurtful in responce.

I guess it takes all kinds,but I do like his post on this and if we all just said ANYTHING positive,then maybe this forum and the internet as a whole,would be more of a positive experience.

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Old 04-15-2013, 08:05 PM
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Default The most important video I have ever uploaded

Well, not me actually, but Mike Johnston :). Good stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa5JsiMe6Qc

(it actually may apply to some forum postings as well...)
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:49 PM
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Ok my post above makes no sense of course :). Must have been moved into this thread.
Great video anyways!
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Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the main point of Mike's argument - i.e. Don't Be a Dickhead - I also think that on the whole the world would be a slightly nicer place if we all just turned The Comments Section off.

To use the example he gave: if I were that hypothetical 8-year old child's parent I would be happy for him to send a video to his teacher, or even friends and family and I'm sure that the right kind of encouragement that they would (hopefully) give would help to spur him on; and these days one can use things like Facebook in order to make such videos exclusively available to a selected handful of known friends.

What I don't think is a good idea is allowing a child (or anyone who is not emotionally equipped to deal with such things) to post a video on the internet and then invite random yahoos to have their say about it. Even if the comments are benign I don't see what particular use they would be. Either someone makes a shitty comment and the kid's confidence is crushed or someone makes a nice comment and suddenly the kid is concerned about the approval of not just a handful of close-knit family and friends but THE WHOLE WORLD.

Put it this way: Little Jimmy puts up a video of him playing along to Mustang Sally and he gets 2,000 views and 100 positive comments and he feels pretty good about himself. Two weeks later he puts up a video of him playing along to Sweet Home Alabama and for no apparent reason he only gets 500 views and 20 positive comments. Of course Jimmy is not wise enough to appreciate that there was nothing wrong with his second video, it's just that people have no attention span these days and so rarely stick with anything beyond its debut. Or maybe it was just chance that more people saw his first video. Maybe Jimmy's friend Bobby also put up a video of Sweet Home Alabama and that got 3,000 views and 200 positive comments. Either way Jimmy now feels pretty bad about himself and doesn't really know why.

The problems with having a running commentary for every single thing that seems to happen in the world these days reach further than being a nobber on YouTube; but as far as encouraging young and beginner drummers go I'd argue that raising someone to expect feedback - whether positive or negative - from total strangers as though it were everyone's birthright to receive attention for commonplace activities is utterly dysfunctional.
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Put it this way: Little Jimmy puts up a video of him playing along to Mustang Sally and he gets 2,000 views and 100 positive comments and he feels pretty good about himself. Two weeks later he puts up a video of him playing along to Sweet Home Alabama and for no apparent reason he only gets 500 views and 20 positive comments. Of course Jimmy is not wise enough to appreciate that there was nothing wrong with his second video, it's just that people have no attention span these days and so rarely stick with anything beyond its debut. Or maybe it was just chance that more people saw his first video. Maybe Jimmy's friend Bobby also put up a video of Sweet Home Alabama and that got 3,000 views and 200 positive comments. Either way Jimmy now feels pretty bad about himself and doesn't really know why.
Little jimmy needs to be whacked up-side the head and told that nobody owes him anything and that Mustang Sally sucks.
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I absolutely agree with Mike Johnston, what's the point of taking the micky out of someone in a negative, insulting way or destroying the content of an uploaded clip wherever it might be, YouTube, FaceBook, Soundcloud or the "Your Playing" section... nothing, it just kill the motivation, makes people sad and feeling inferior.

Not every drumming video is a spotless performance, but you can still reply positively by offering advice instead of insults and mockery, hopefully, it will take those who upload their stuff to reach a higher and better level, and they'll be more likely to listen to what you have to say, and if you think it is that bad, just pass on and say nothing... at least it's better than taking someone down.


I also agree about the lack of view on some threads in the "Your Playing" section, it takes a lot of balls to post a video of yourself playing drums in a drum forum were thousand's of drummers from all over the world will dissect you playing and eventually comment on it, and unless you're one of those gifted members here, it's an intimidating experience.

I did not upload much of my playing for that very reason, but the feedback I received here on Drummerworld has been simply fantastic, way beyond my expectations, it came as a shock the first time, lol. Now imagine I had those bad comments Mike's talking about, would I ever upload any more vids? Probably not, would I think I'm an OK drummer? Probably not either, it's not an end in itself, we somehow know were we're at at any given stage in our drumming journey, but any compliments or positive advice go a long way in anyone's life.

I try to remain as positive as possible when I comment on someone playing... but l'm guilty of not checking the "Your Playing" section often enough, and admittedly, I more bound to check the playing of the regular posters on the forum than the others, it's not intentional, it just happen.
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Old 04-16-2013, 09:34 PM
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I absolutely agree with Mike Johnston, what's the point of taking the micky out of someone in a negative, insulting way or destroying the content of an uploaded clip wherever it might be, YouTube, FaceBook, Soundcloud or the "Your Playing" section... nothing, it just kill the motivation, makes people sad and feeling inferior.

Not every drumming video is a spotless performance, but you can still reply positively by offering advice instead of insults and mockery, hopefully, it will take those who upload their stuff to reach a higher and better level, and they'll be more likely to listen to what you have to say, and if you think it is that bad, just pass on and say nothing... at least it's better than taking someone down.


I also agree about the lack of view on some threads in the "Your Playing" section, it takes a lot of balls to post a video of yourself playing drums in a drum forum were thousand's of drummers from all over the world will dissect you playing and eventually comment on it, and unless you're one of those gifted members here, it's an intimidating experience.

I did not upload much of my playing for that very reason, but the feedback I received here on Drummerworld has been simply fantastic, way beyond my expectations, it came as a shock the first time, lol. Now imagine I had those bad comments Mike's talking about, would I ever upload any more vids? Probably not, would I think I'm an OK drummer? Probably not either, it's not an end in itself, we somehow know were we're at at any given stage in our drumming journey, but any compliments or positive advice go a long way in anyone's life.

I try to remain as positive as possible when I comment on someone playing... but l'm guilty of not checking the "Your Playing" section often enough, and admittedly, I more bound to check the playing of the regular posters on the forum than the others, it's not intentional, it just happen.
Perfectly stated Henri.

I'll need to dig for some of your playing in the archives. I don't think I've ever seen a clip in my short time here.

I'm petrified every time I do an upload of what may come about. Believe me, no one needs to tell me how much I suck. No one knows how much I do more than me. I do it only because some folks here (like yourself) express an interest in what I'm trying to learn and as a result, I try to share the best I can offer. If it's terrible, then telling me how I rot isn't going to help. Offering helpful guidance gives me something to go on.

There's one posting I did here within the last several months that didn't draw much response. Not that I'm look for a great deal - believe me... My conclusion was, outside of the few that seemed to enjoy it based on their response, I guess it wasn't really that good to draw in others. Albeit, the solo I posted was very uncommon for the person I covered as the solo dated way back to an era where that person played within a context outside of the usual norm.

Sometimes I don't post any feedback because I'm unqualified to do so. Even in those cases though, I try to find something positive to say. Other times, it's because I'm so freaking busy with work that I just don't have the time to check in for any length of time to watch / intently listen and respond. I'm like a "drive-by" poster during those periods.
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I'd argue that raising someone to expect feedback - whether positive or negative - from total strangers as though it were everyone's birthright to receive attention for commonplace activities is utterly dysfunctional.
I agree, but I think that many people don't realise that strangers can/will view videos that are intended to be viewed only by certain people.
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..............but I do like his post on this and if we all just said ANYTHING positive,then maybe this forum and the internet as a whole,would be more of a positive experience.

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Little jimmy needs to be whacked up-side the head and told that nobody owes him anything and that Mustang Sally sucks.
Ah Dr Watso you crack me up !!
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Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with the main point of Mike's argument - i.e. Don't Be a Dickhead - I also think that on the whole the world would be a slightly nicer place if we all just turned The Comments Section off.

To use the example he gave: if I were that hypothetical 8-year old child's parent I would be happy for him to send a video to his teacher, or even friends and family and I'm sure that the right kind of encouragement that they would (hopefully) give would help to spur him on; and these days one can use things like Facebook in order to make such videos exclusively available to a selected handful of known friends.

What I don't think is a good idea is allowing a child (or anyone who is not emotionally equipped to deal with such things) to post a video on the internet and then invite random yahoos to have their say about it. Even if the comments are benign I don't see what particular use they would be. Either someone makes a shitty comment and the kid's confidence is crushed or someone makes a nice comment and suddenly the kid is concerned about the approval of not just a handful of close-knit family and friends but THE WHOLE WORLD.
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Nailed it. Yes, we should all be nicer.

But what didn't register to me was Mike's comment about an 8 year old uploading playing to youtube just to show he's improved.

Why?

And why make such a thing public?

Youtube has privacy settings. Make such a video for your teacher, grandma, etc. and make the the settings for that. But making such a thing public makes ZERO sense. As a parent, I don't want videos of my kids public!! It invites way to much danger into the scenario.

And once it's public, there is nothing to prevent someone from downloading it, altering it, and putting it back up.

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Little jimmy needs to be whacked up-side the head and told that nobody owes him anything and that Mustang Sally sucks.
And Jimmy's parents should be wacked upside the head for letting their 8 year old upload a public video!

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Todd is right, many threads in the My Playing section go uncommented. Although often times that's because (my guess, and from my experience) people don't always have the time/mood to sit down and check out stuff...
A few years ago we had a thread just on this.

It came down to:
Lack of time - as you said, logging on for a few minutes here and there to catch up on thread is one thing, to sit down with headphones/speakers is another. Many people are logging on from work where they can't have speakers, or on their lap tops without headphones.

Drum covers - too many videos posted are just drum covers, Someone playing along to a pre-recorded drum track is not very interesting to many people. Clips of playing with a band (even a cover band), original music, live performance, in the studio, etc, are way more interesting.

SPAM - it seems like the majority of posts in the your playing section are drive by posters who don't participate in the discussions, and otherwise never post here except to drop off their latest youtube clip. It's the equivalent of spamming the board with advertising. It's saying "hey, take the time to look at me, but I don't want take the time to look at you!"
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The latter point (spammers) really irks me. It's good to see that the moderators take a dim view of this as well. I remember a poster recently registering and within minutes posting a video in 'Your Playing' simply to persuade us to vote in a meaningless playing competition. It seems there are one or two competitions that give us this kind of bait every year and it's deeply irritating.

On the other hand, you have posters like Alessio Romano who post heavily in 'Your Playing' but contribute elsewhere and provide not only great playing but real insight and originality into what they're doing. If you haven't checked out Alessio's videos I urge you to because they are simply stunning. Sometimes 'Your Playing' throws up gems!
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Agree with this completely , count me in. However, I've seen some drummers getting worse by the years, just my opinion.
I honestly think I'm one of them! 25 plus years, married with kids and a full time job later, my drumming ability continues to slowly weaken over the years. But that's life. I wouldn't trade my family for anything, even though drumming has been my passion. I used to play regularly and when I did, I feel I wasn't THAT bad. But from not having been in a serious band for the last 6 years, it has taken it's toll even though I still try to play every day to some extent.

But I was never one to say anything bad about any drummer, young or old, because I was always too busy trying to see if there was something I could pick up! hahaha. And most of the time, whether they were young or older, beginners or advanced players, I almost ALWAYS learned SOMETHING. I totally agreed with Mike's video and I hope it goes viral. Too many negative jerks on the WWW in general....
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Old 04-17-2013, 07:13 AM
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Default Re: The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

This is exactly why I love this guy he is soooo posotive and nice. I was able to meet him at a clinic he held at Sam Ash out here in AZ and it was AWESOME! I wish more people could be as posotive as this man.
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Old 04-19-2013, 06:48 PM
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Default Re: The Positive Post Campaign - Mike Johnston

I hate the comments section of youtube and wish they were somehow moderated.
I have never left a comment and generally will forward something I find interesting.
Thanks Grace; I will also post the link to facebook to spread the word as well.

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