DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM   

Go Back   DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM > Drum Technique

Drum Technique Tips - Tricks - Practice - Rudiments - Educational DVDs & Books.....

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 04-24-2014, 11:23 PM
Diegorod Diegorod is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 31
Default Jazz/Latin Grooves

Last night I was at a clinic watching Mike johnston, JP Bouvet, & Matt Halpern. During Mike's solo he played a really cool Latin/Jazz Groove. Someone asked about it, but I completely forgot what he called it, I only remember him saying it was a popular one. can someone give me a list of popular or common latin/jazz grooves/beats?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 04-25-2014, 01:14 AM
brady's Avatar
brady brady is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 2,235
Default Re: Jazz/Latin Grooves

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diegorod View Post
Last night I was at a clinic watching Mike johnston, JP Bouvet, & Matt Halpern. During Mike's solo he played a really cool Latin/Jazz Groove. Someone asked about it, but I completely forgot what he called it, I only remember him saying it was a popular one. can someone give me a list of popular or common latin/jazz grooves/beats?
Too many to mention all of them. Here's a few off the top of my head.

A Night in Tunisia is a really popular one. On Green Dolphin Street switches between a Latin and swing feel. Not really a "Latin" groove but Poinciana is a cool groove. And of course, Girl from Ipanema is the bossa nova tune that everyone knows.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 04-25-2014, 02:18 AM
vxla vxla is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 300
Default Re: Jazz/Latin Grooves

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diegorod View Post
Last night I was at a clinic watching Mike johnston, JP Bouvet, & Matt Halpern. During Mike's solo he played a really cool Latin/Jazz Groove. Someone asked about it, but I completely forgot what he called it, I only remember him saying it was a popular one. can someone give me a list of popular or common latin/jazz grooves/beats?
Some things you can look up; there's a few great books out there to get you started as well. The best way to transition this stuff to drum set is to actually learn the traditional approach to the rhythms on whatever drums they're designed for, then move them over to drum set and apply them as you see fit.

cascara (basic pattern that came from timbales that can be applied to drum set)
montuno (a specific pattern on a bell)
bongo bell

Some styles from Cuba:
- Cha cha
- Danzon (the older ballroom-style dance from Cuba)
- Guaguancó (a specific style of music that originated in rumba, but shows up in jazz arrangements)
- Pilon
- Bolero (the Cuban ballad)
- Son
- Mambo
- Guaracha
- Songo

Puerto Rican:
- Bomba
- Plena

Brazilian
- Bossa - the 'white' Brazilian rhythm
- Samba
- Pagode - Brazilian street drumming
- baião - another style of Brazilian music

Others:
- Cumbia
- Norteño
- Ranchera
- Merengue

There's a many more, and who knows if what you heard was accurate to anything specifically or just "Latin".
__________________
Please take a moment for the Bass Drum Pedal Questionnaire
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 04-25-2014, 07:11 AM
Wavelength's Avatar
Wavelength Wavelength is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Finland
Posts: 3,071
Default Re: Jazz/Latin Grooves

Songo seems to be the go-to latin groove for many drummers, especially during solos.
__________________
I play Kumu Drums. I also shoot videos.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 04-25-2014, 05:31 PM
caddywumpus's Avatar
caddywumpus caddywumpus is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Portland, OR USA
Posts: 5,555
Default Re: Jazz/Latin Grooves

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wavelength View Post
Songo seems to be the go-to latin groove for many drummers, especially during solos.
Around Portland, it seems that the Mozambique (a la Steve Gadd) is the most popular "go to" Latin beat for solos. We have some monster players in town, though, so the theme gets quickly developed.
__________________
Be vewwy quiet, I'm hunting Lawwy

My kit: http://drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44195
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 04-25-2014, 11:31 PM
vxla vxla is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 300
Default Re: Jazz/Latin Grooves

Songo is a style, not just a single beat, so there's many ways to play it. However, it does swing the most out of them (even a bit more than Mozambique), so probably the most attractive for people to play.
__________________
Please take a moment for the Bass Drum Pedal Questionnaire
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-26-2014, 01:11 PM
Dave_Major's Avatar
Dave_Major Dave_Major is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 454
Default Re: Jazz/Latin Grooves

Mike Johnston playes the songo LOADS in most of his solos he plays that or a variation on it.

Weckl also goes to it all the time. Seems to be his go to groove

Check out MJ's videos on the songo and songo variations.

D
__________________


Dave Major
Professional Drummer
www.dave-major.com
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-26-2014, 04:18 PM
adamosmianski adamosmianski is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 147
Default Re: Jazz/Latin Grooves

Quote:
Originally Posted by vxla View Post
Songo is a style, not just a single beat....
Songo is a comparatively new style of Cuban music, having only been developed in the 70s. It's like a modern day variation on the rumba. It's generally associated with Los Van Van. There's a killer video about it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0BMLzFDnF8

Quote:
Originally Posted by vxla View Post
- Pagode - Brazilian street drumming
Not to get off topic or split hairs, but pagode is not really "street drumming". Pagode is the style of music, it's a spin off of samba. A lot of pagode material is the music that the large escola de sambas are playing but in a smaller setting. You usually see guitar, bandolim, cavaquinho, and smaller percussion like pandeiro, repique de mao, tantan, tamborim, and surdo. Often times it's called a "Pagode de Mesa", which means "Pagode around the table". They're like big parties where the band sits at a table to play so they can have charts, food, beer, etc. close at hand. The audience then crowds around the table. It usually looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh1KZn_fj1g Arlindo Cruz is pretty much the godfather of pagode.

For those of you that live in London, we do one every other Monday at The Arc, near Angel tube. Great hang. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Th...704d521df1eace
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 04-28-2014, 05:17 PM
vxla vxla is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Chicago
Posts: 300
Default Re: Jazz/Latin Grooves

Quote:
Originally Posted by adamosmianski View Post
Songo is a comparatively new style of Cuban music, having only been developed in the 70s. It's like a modern day variation on the rumba. It's generally associated with Los Van Van. There's a killer video about it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0BMLzFDnF8
There's great stuff in that video; I'd also encourage watching "History of the Tumbadoras" with Changuito and Giovanni...they cover a great deal of the history of conga technique, but there's other useful information in the video, too. I'm headed down to Havana in June and will try and talk to Enrique Plá about more of the history of songo.


Quote:
Originally Posted by adamosmianski View Post
Not to get off topic or split hairs, but pagode is not really "street drumming". Pagode is the style of music, it's a spin off of samba.
True, I apologize for the misinformation.
__________________
Please take a moment for the Bass Drum Pedal Questionnaire
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 04-28-2014, 08:33 PM
Wavelength's Avatar
Wavelength Wavelength is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Finland
Posts: 3,071
Default Re: Jazz/Latin Grooves

Quote:
Originally Posted by adamosmianski View Post
Songo is a comparatively new style of Cuban music, having only been developed in the 70s. It's like a modern day variation on the rumba. It's generally associated with Los Van Van. There's a killer video about it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0BMLzFDnF8
Thanks for the link!
__________________
I play Kumu Drums. I also shoot videos.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:58 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Bernhard Castiglioni's DRUMMERWORLD.com