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Old 03-14-2013, 12:01 AM
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Hey all,

I had been threatening to do this and now I have. My zeppelin kit now has the coveted Remo Black Dots on them! It is a somewhat different sound, but the look is so old it's NEW! The girls are going to dig me ;)

I know, I couldn't put a black dot on the bass drum. My ear has just grown too accustomed to a good bass drum sound, so I stuck with the PS3's front and back on the bass drum. But with the drum now being completely clear, that means I have to actually wear pants when I play.

The cymbals look a little whacked in terms of size because of the camera angle, but just so you know, my K ride is a 24", and the hi-hats are 17". My one crash is 18". Who's next to try these new fangled black dot heads? You might have to order yours ;)
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Old 03-14-2013, 12:35 AM
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Gorgeous kit Bo! I've never tried the black dot heads but they are aesthetically pleasing. What kind of sound do you get from them?
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Old 03-14-2013, 01:09 AM
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You're like 90% of the way to a total Bonham makeover. Now you need the Paiste 2002's to make it complete....
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Old 03-14-2013, 02:16 AM
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Gorgeous kit Bo! I've never tried the black dot heads but they are aesthetically pleasing. What kind of sound do you get from them?
If you want to hear a good recording of black dots, check out any later Tony Williams recordings - perhaps the best one is the Live in Tokyo CD. He does a solo prior to Sister Cheryl and it really gives you a good impression of what black dots sound like. They sound a little muffled because the dot is in the center. Ironic that later everyone would discover that the best place to muffle a drum is on the edge, but that was not how they were thinking when they developed the black dots - they were all about the durability, I guess.

My 13 and 16 toms don't sound too different from when I was using coated emperors, but my big 18" floor tom sounds really different - I don't know if I like it yet. But I'm sure it'll grow on me (maybe). But right now, the kit sure does look cool.

And I don't think I could afford to get 2002's just to try. Maybe one day as I've always been a fan of the 2002s, but I never really left Zildjian, and when I got my first K back in the 80s, that's what I judge all rides by.
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:25 AM
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Clear heads on a 26 look badass.
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Old 03-14-2013, 03:53 AM
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When I first got my Tama Superstars last year I put black dots on the batters and quickly realized that I'd need to get used to them. After two weeks I decided I didn't want to get used to them and went to Ambassadors. Amazing the difference that dot makes it muting the drums. I think I would have liked them on thinner shells with sharper bearing edges, but on those drums ... meh, not so much.

Awesome kit, BTW.
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:01 PM
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Great looking kit as always, though Bonham only did the black dots on his Vistas, both top and bottom. So does Charlie Watts right. But I think I prefer blond kits to have coated heads though.

I have a couple black dots and find they are quite good for resos on some toms, if you don't want too open a sound. They are singly ply, but middle dot makes a difference on the reso side too.

Blond kits are timeless, and nearly everything looks good on them. I think if I went to a 26, I'd try for that kind of setup.
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:21 PM
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Now that's a sweet looking kit !!!
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Old 03-14-2013, 06:47 PM
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That is a nice kit. I prefer using heads on older drums that could have been used when the drums were new. CS (black dot) heads are cool, looking and sounding. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 03-14-2013, 07:15 PM
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If you want to hear a good recording of black dots, check out any later Tony Williams recordings - perhaps the best one is the Live in Tokyo CD. He does a solo prior to Sister Cheryl and it really gives you a good impression of what black dots sound like. They sound a little muffled because the dot is in the center. Ironic that later everyone would discover that the best place to muffle a drum is on the edge, but that was not how they were thinking when they developed the black dots - they were all about the durability, I guess.

My 13 and 16 toms don't sound too different from when I was using coated emperors, but my big 18" floor tom sounds really different - I don't know if I like it yet. But I'm sure it'll grow on me (maybe). But right now, the kit sure does look cool.

And I don't think I could afford to get 2002's just to try. Maybe one day as I've always been a fan of the 2002s, but I never really left Zildjian, and when I got my first K back in the 80s, that's what I judge all rides by.
I checked that out, they sound pretty cool. Kinda like a mix between a coated and clear head (to me at least). I still need a head for my 16 tom, I might pick one up if I find it in stock.
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Old 03-14-2013, 10:12 PM
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Thanks! The heads 24-hours later are seating nicely and they sounded a little better today. I was able to tune my 18" down a little more as well to get a bigger bottom out of it.
But I had to go back to my white logo front head on the bass drum. I like that look a bit better and without the felt strip (the head is a regular smooth white ambassador), it gives me a bit more ring for projection and actually sounds closer to a Bonham sound now. I did mount it so the logo is a bit askew though. I'm wondering how many people that will just bug the crap out of ;)
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