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Old 12-14-2007, 12:59 AM
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hey all. new to these forum jobbies, was just catching up on your conversation here.

my opinion on the whole 'matched vs trad' would be... learn both. i'm of the belief these trivial kind of things that people get hung up on, matched vs trad, or heel up vs heel down or whatever technique you use. i'd just say embrace it all and enjoy them, after all these are your tools for playing, like a plumber with wrenches etc. use them for whatever the situation may be...

i think through out a gig i use both matched and trad... as previously stated, for softer stuff it's easier to find some quiet nuance with trad, but when things really start rockin' its easier to move about your kit with the old matched grip, but then again this is just me... lang, weckl, colaiuta, buddy, louis, roach, williams, gadd... all those guys have their own way of playing... it just comes down to whats easiest for yourself
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i personally switch between them... tony williams used to say that he liked to have the difference between the hands to make each side sound unique.. also there are certain stylistic things in both traditional and matched grip.. there's a whole library of licks and techniques in the traditional style and the matched style... why limit yourself to just one type of playing?
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Old 12-14-2007, 09:28 PM
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Learn to play traditonal grip, all of the greatest drummers (Rich, Bellson, Morello, and drummers today like Lang) know how to play it and is usually their primary grip.

Besides, it looks nice.
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Old 12-19-2007, 03:40 PM
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Each has its advantages and disadvantages... Steve Smith has an extremely useful section about this matter on his Technique DVD. The basic idea is both work, each of them works without correlating it to the other, and it's not much more than an emotional decision.
Matched grip is the natural way to do it and you inevitably have to learn it for your leading hand; however, for me, understanding rebound and playing by using the rebound instead of fighting it was done by first understanding how traditional grip works.
As far as health goes, matched grip is a much healthier grip - reason being traditional grip started with the marching bands, when the drum hung at a certain angle which made matched grip playing impossible. Physically, the traditional grip insinuates that either your left side of the drum (or drumkit!) is higher than the right side (for right-handed people), or your left side of the body will have to go lower than the right side, which will bend your back iremediably. So, if you want to use traditional, it's improtant to set your drums up kind of the way Weckl does (you can easily see the entire left side of his kit is much higher than the right, they're all angled from left to right), or Steve Smith and Jojo Mayer, who also set certain weird angles for their drums that you won't ever need for matched.
It also depends on the style of music you're playing - Steve Smith explained why traditional grip is more of a light grip.
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Old 12-19-2007, 04:47 PM
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I find it easier to separate my right and left hands when the techniques are different, for some reason.
The same here, that could be 100% true that our brains can separate each limb more easily if we're using two different grips, but I'm not a specialist about this stuff, BUT I find that this is an advantage for me, too!

some thoughts:

1) matched and traditional grips are different so it's just logical that some stuff is more easy to play with trad or matched
2) matched grip is more straight as opposed to traditional which is a rotation motion, this gives an advantage for accents
3) the sound is different, and it's more easy to produce different type of sounds because of the angle of the stick
4) with traditional grip the hand is under the stick, with matched grip - over the stick, this also gives an advantage for each of the grips


for me the main reason: symmetry is boring!
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Old 12-19-2007, 07:24 PM
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The same here, that could be 100% true that our brains can separate each limb more easily if we're using two different grips, but I'm not a specialist about this stuff, BUT I find that this is an advantage for me, too!

some thoughts:

1) matched and traditional grips are different so it's just logical that some stuff is more easy to play with trad or matched
2) matched grip is more straight as opposed to traditional which is a rotation motion, this gives an advantage for accents
3) the sound is different, and it's more easy to produce different type of sounds because of the angle of the stick
4) with traditional grip the hand is under the stick, with matched grip - over the stick, this also gives an advantage for each of the grips


for me the main reason: symmetry is boring!

You mean boring in terms of musical ideas that you can express with it or just pure feel?
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Each has its advantages and disadvantages... Steve Smith has an extremely useful section about this matter on his Technique DVD. The basic idea is both work, each of them works without correlating it to the other, and it's not much more than an emotional decision.
Matched grip is the natural way to do it and you inevitably have to learn it for your leading hand; however, for me, understanding rebound and playing by using the rebound instead of fighting it was done by first understanding how traditional grip works.
As far as health goes, matched grip is a much healthier grip - reason being traditional grip started with the marching bands, when the drum hung at a certain angle which made matched grip playing impossible. Physically, the traditional grip insinuates that either your left side of the drum (or drumkit!) is higher than the right side (for right-handed people), or your left side of the body will have to go lower than the right side, which will bend your back iremediably. So, if you want to use traditional, it's improtant to set your drums up kind of the way Weckl does (you can easily see the entire left side of his kit is much higher than the right, they're all angled from left to right), or Steve Smith and Jojo Mayer, who also set certain weird angles for their drums that you won't ever need for matched.
It also depends on the style of music you're playing - Steve Smith explained why traditional grip is more of a light grip.
Actually, Weckl in his early instructional video was sitting with his left side leaning. I guess he started to angle his drums because of it though I can be wrong about reasons.
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Physically, the traditional grip insinuates that either your left side of the drum (or drumkit!) is higher than the right side (for right-handed people), or your left side of the body will have to go lower than the right side, which will bend your back irremediably. So, if you want to use traditional, it's important to set your drums up kind of the way Weckl does (you can easily see the entire left side of his kit is much higher than the right, they're all angled from left to right), or Steve Smith and Jojo Mayer, who also set certain weird angles for their drums that you won't ever need for matched.
It also depends on the style of music you're playing - Steve Smith explained why traditional grip is more of a light grip.

I think you've said a mouthful, uh post-ful here. If you are playing a 4 pc trap kit, like Jojo, it may not be as much of an issue. But once you add a second and third mounted tom, it is an issue with your back. Matched just grants easier access around the kit. Weckl does look uncomfortable.

The nuance difference in the sound between the two is not going to be something that you hear through a mix anyway.

I don't get the rebound part but if it worked for you whose to knock it. I used to sometimes switch to a traditional during a jazz passage; but now I just play matched all the way.
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Ok i think the best explanation is the one of Buddy Rich:
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:20 PM
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I like match because it allows me to move around the drums easier. When I first learned how to play I was taught match grip, but when I got on my high school drumline I was re-trained to pay traditional. I've been trying to retrain my left hand to play match, but some of your responses is making me think maybe I should practice using both depending on what style of music I'm playing to. But one thing is that when I took lessons a few years ago, my instructor told me that traditional grip is unnatural and unhealthy.
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Ok i think the best explanation is the one of Buddy Rich:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0V4Aqs2D48
Yeah, but it doesn't look natural. I would agree with him because currently I'm more conditioned to play traditional. But when I was trying to play a rock piece I found it harder to get around the drum. I just think Buddy is trained traditional so he thinks its better. If you noticed that when he was holding the sticks with match grip he wasn't even holding the sticks correctly. Tops of hands should face the ceilling.
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Old 07-11-2009, 12:13 AM
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If you noticed that when he was holding the sticks with match grip he wasn't even holding the sticks correctly. Tops of hands should face the ceilling.
That's only in German grip. Buddy was using French grip there.
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Old 07-11-2009, 12:17 AM
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When my dad first taught me to play drums, the traditional grip was the only way of doing things and this was stressed to me from the very first time I picked up the sticks. Now a days I switch things around a bit, but I still use the traditional grip for about 90% of my playing. I believe it's good to know and use both methods.

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Old 07-11-2009, 04:38 PM
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Everyone is different. I think its a personal choice just like setting up your kit the way you
like it. Both grips work great as long as you develop proper technique. Thats what I think.
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the choice is completely subjective. whatever you started playing drums with will probably feel the most comfortable to you. one is not better than the other and i believe that any special control or what not that you have with one grip can be achieved with practice by someone else with another grip.

btw I prefer matched :)
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Here is a free exercise I made a thread about that pertains to this subject.
It will benefit you greatly with a little work and patience.

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10 reasons why traditional grip sucks.

1) About that Buddy Rich thing, traditional grip or match grip has nothing to do with your drumming creativity.

2) In a drumset conviguration traditional grip is not necassary (actually in anyway it can be replaced by matched much better).

3) Two hands doing different action causes co-ordination assymetry.

4) Concerns that traditional grip is unhealthy, I think it is, twisting your wrist and bending your fingers like that I think might lead to RSI, carpal tunnel syndrome, arthritis if your playing for as long as Buddy Rich did. If you see those can-openers made for old people you can see that they are made for the wrist to move in a up/down movement (like matched grip motion, or knocking on a door), that is because twisting the wrist over or yawing it to the side is much more painful and less efficient.

5) The reason Buddy Rich mucked up and sayed "shit" was because he missed a stroke/clicked the rim, he was using trad grip, need I say any more.

6) Trad grip is mechanically limited and considerably slower and slower to develop speed, Mike Mangini, World's Fastest Drummers uses match grip and so do many great drummers of today. The jazz greats becak then used trad grip because thats what they were taught

7) Those things that Buddy Rich did could all be done (better) with match grip, (I play match grip and I can play cross-over drum single stroke rolls aswell).

8) With a drumkit and trad grip, often to do fills and accents one has to twist ones arm auncomfortably.

9) Who tilts there snaredrum/sidedrum/concert snare that much?

10) Have you seen Buddy Rich's slouch?

...and when teaching to the new generation, teach matched. To quote from my drum teacher (who plays trad grip for over 30 years and regrets it) "Just because I am a retard doesn't mean you have to be one too".
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Old 10-23-2009, 08:57 PM
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Thomas Lang once said that he liked the way he approached the drums when he played traditional grip so that's fine with me. For the longest time I didn't use double bass because I didn't like my approach but that changed later.

When I started playing I was told to play traditional and I never liked it. With that being said, it doesn't mean I don't use it off and on. Usually when I'm in a dull rehearsal or playing a boring jazz song and feel lazy. I tend to use traditional with brushes for some reason; hence Thomas Lang and the approach thing.

The truth is, there are some drummers that use traditional as a status symbol and/or it looks more intelligent and/or your're playing more sophisticated music. Bull! I know that's not all trad players but such a mentality does exist. The fact that it was invented to compensate for tilted snares tells me a lot. I don't use it myself but I do know that some players feel more comfortable using. Personally I think that if you're playing rock or heavy beat music I see no reason at all. Yes Stewart Copeland uses it but look at how awkward his left hand is when he slams the snare and the pain he's put himself through.

Also, some guys do it when they do marching music. Fine. If it's so great then why don't some drummers use trad on both hands? Hmm....Snare drum players with the drum mounted straight. That seems to be more of a look than anything else.

Either way..to me it's like your set up. Comfort, comfort, comfort. But when you start saying this is right and that is right....just shut up and play your drums.
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Art Blakey used both. He switches from trad to match about one minute into this video. There are other videos on youtube of him switching between both too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOc_EwdE7Kk

I have only recently been using trad grip and so far I find it easier for certain things. Someone said something about it being easier to separate the left and right hands. I feel this way too. I will keep playing match and add traditional grip to my toolbox.
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10 reasons why traditional grip sucks.

1) About that Buddy Rich thing, traditional grip or match grip has nothing to do with your drumming creativity.

2) In a drumset conviguration traditional grip is not necassary (actually in anyway it can be replaced by matched much better).

3) Two hands doing different action causes co-ordination assymetry.

4) Concerns that traditional grip is unhealthy, I think it is, twisting your wrist and bending your fingers like that I think might lead to RSI, carpal tunnel syndrome, arthritis if your playing for as long as Buddy Rich did. If you see those can-openers made for old people you can see that they are made for the wrist to move in a up/down movement (like matched grip motion, or knocking on a door), that is because twisting the wrist over or yawing it to the side is much more painful and less efficient.

5) The reason Buddy Rich mucked up and sayed "shit" was because he missed a stroke/clicked the rim, he was using trad grip, need I say any more.

6) Trad grip is mechanically limited and considerably slower and slower to develop speed, Mike Mangini, World's Fastest Drummers uses match grip and so do many great drummers of today. The jazz greats becak then used trad grip because thats what they were taught

7) Those things that Buddy Rich did could all be done (better) with match grip, (I play match grip and I can play cross-over drum single stroke rolls aswell).

8) With a drumkit and trad grip, often to do fills and accents one has to twist ones arm auncomfortably.

9) Who tilts there snaredrum/sidedrum/concert snare that much?

10) Have you seen Buddy Rich's slouch?

...and when teaching to the new generation, teach matched. To quote from my drum teacher (who plays trad grip for over 30 years and regrets it) "Just because I am a retard doesn't mean you have to be one too".

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4) Concerns that traditional grip is unhealthy, I think it is, twisting your wrist and bending your fingers like that I think might lead to RSI, carpal tunnel syndrome, arthritis if your playing for as long as Buddy Rich did. If you see those can-openers made for old people you can see that they are made for the wrist to move in a up/down movement (like matched grip motion, or knocking on a door), that is because twisting the wrist over or yawing it to the side is much more painful and less efficient.
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As a medical student - I'm quite confident in saying that this isn't true although, admittedly, I am no expert in such matters.
Most of those diseases have many factors contributing to them, although trauma seems to be the cause they have in common - but the motion used in traditional is hardly likely to cause any serious trauma.
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10 reasons why traditional grip sucks.

7) Those things that Buddy Rich did could all be done (better) with match grip, (I play match grip and I can play cross-over drum single stroke rolls aswell).


...and when teaching to the new generation, teach matched. To quote from my drum teacher (who plays trad grip for over 30 years and regrets it) "Just because I am a retard doesn't mean you have to be one too".

There are so many things wrong with this post and thread that it makes my head hurt, but let's just start here:


Two things:

#1. Don't ever, ever put Buddy Rich and YOU in the same sentence. Your disrespect is appalling.

#2. Get a new teacher. Right now.
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This thread need to be put to bed.......... enough misinformation as of late regarding either grip in it to put it to rest for good.........
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10 reasons why traditional grip sucks.

1) About that Buddy Rich thing, traditional grip or match grip has nothing to do with your drumming creativity.

2) In a drumset conviguration traditional grip is not necassary (actually in anyway it can be replaced by matched much better).

3) Two hands doing different action causes co-ordination assymetry.

4) Concerns that traditional grip is unhealthy, I think it is, twisting your wrist and bending your fingers like that I think might lead to RSI, carpal tunnel syndrome, arthritis if your playing for as long as Buddy Rich did. If you see those can-openers made for old people you can see that they are made for the wrist to move in a up/down movement (like matched grip motion, or knocking on a door), that is because twisting the wrist over or yawing it to the side is much more painful and less efficient.

5) The reason Buddy Rich mucked up and sayed "shit" was because he missed a stroke/clicked the rim, he was using trad grip, need I say any more.

6) Trad grip is mechanically limited and considerably slower and slower to develop speed, Mike Mangini, World's Fastest Drummers uses match grip and so do many great drummers of today. The jazz greats becak then used trad grip because thats what they were taught

7) Those things that Buddy Rich did could all be done (better) with match grip, (I play match grip and I can play cross-over drum single stroke rolls aswell).

8) With a drumkit and trad grip, often to do fills and accents one has to twist ones arm auncomfortably.

9) Who tilts there snaredrum/sidedrum/concert snare that much?

10) Have you seen Buddy Rich's slouch?

...and when teaching to the new generation, teach matched. To quote from my drum teacher (who plays trad grip for over 30 years and regrets it) "Just because I am a retard doesn't mean you have to be one too".
Dude, we discussed this very issue in another thread. I more or less pleaded with you there to stop passing off a blatant bias as fact. I'm gonna do it again here.

Matched/Trad.....it all comes down to preferance. How can a preferance be right or wrong? What colour is better....red or green??? I respect YOUR decision to play matched grip and YOUR reasons for doing so are valid. But the fact that YOU don't like traditional is no basis to keep posting on the forums that it's wrong. You are certainly entitled to an opinion, but please remember, it is just that, nothing more. Same goes for your teacher.


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This thread need to be put to bed.......... enough misinformation as of late regarding either grip in it to put it to rest for good.........
A good point, well made.
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Which is better?

This:

Or this:



Sometimes I think drummers have lost the plot. I use both grips. Each has a different application.
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Which is better?

This:

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Sometimes I think drummers have lost the plot. I use both grips. Each has a different application.

Neither.........i'll take both wy yung.. :}



Agreed and yes I use both with equal ease and success in the music for whatever sounds i'm after in the moment.
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I'll take both wy yung.. :}



And yes I use both with equal ease and success in the music for what ever sounds i'm after in the moment.
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You still up mate? What time is it there? It's 4,50 pm here down under.
Only 10 PM Pacific time my friend :}

These debates about which grip is better or best {especially with the dubious info being brought into this thread as of late} are making me feel sleepy though....:}
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Only 10 PM Pacific time my friend :}

These debates about which grip is better or best {especially with the dubious info being brought into this thread as of late} are making me feel sleepy though....:}

What head should I use? Which stick is best? Are drums loud?

Oh man.

10 pm. Wow. Tuesday or monday? Tuesday here.
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What head should I use? Which stick is best? Are drums loud?

Oh man.

10 pm. Wow. Tuesday or monday? Tuesday here.
10 PM Monday evening and I HEAR you........
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10 PM Monday evening and I HEAR you........

Monday???
You guys up there are soooo behind the times! ;-)


I want to visit Canada after seeing BILLY CONNOLLY's TV show about the north west passage. Canadian's seem to be really nice. Or was that just for show?
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Monday???
You guys up there are soooo behind the times! ;-)


I want to visit Canada after seeing BILLY CONNOLLY's TV show about the north west passage. Canadian's seem to be really nice. Or was that just for show?
The Country is indeed nice so are the folks and yes we like matched and traditional grip equally the same wy yung :}
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Do singers ever debate the best way to hold the microphone?
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Do singers ever debate the best way to hold the microphone?
Only on internet singer forums if they exist LOL!!
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I just logged on to this forum for the first time and read some of the posts that are on here. Since this particuar thread is over 4 years old, it proves that this is a heated debate, and it hasn't seen any resolution.

My two cents:
Both are good. I've been playing for over 20 years, and teaching more than 12, I have a degree in it, etc.. That isn't (as many others seemed to have been trying to do) an attempt to out rank anybody, or say that I'm a better player than anybody on here. Just to show that I have some credibility to what I believe to be the truth.

Back 10 or so years ago, I was teaching a marching drumline. During his freshman year, a student played the multi-tenors or "quads" (matched grip). I was on him all year. I didn't want to be, but he just couldn't figure it out. Everybody else did. I worked with him privately, and in the group, and nothing worked. His left hand just didn't want to work in the matched style.

The following year, I showed up to auditions, and there he was, traditional grip and playing the Blue Devil's "ditty" flawlessly. I asked him to play it matched and he couldn't.

So, for this guy, sure a minority, but the argument "you spent more time working on trad, so of course it works better for you" isn't the case. For him, trad is better.

Some people stress a lot about learning things multiple ways, etc.. I don't. I think knowing how to make the sound you desire, and that is asked of you is the most important thing, and how you do it isn't important. To all of my new students from that point on, I taught both. I didn't require either. I let each drummer choose - even at a young age. This kid I referenced is now performing semi-professionally,and would have given it up for sure if I stuck to the "you must learn match" approach.
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Some people stress a lot about learning things multiple ways, etc.. I don't. I think knowing how to make the sound you desire, and that is asked of you is the most important thing, and how you do it isn't important. To all of my new students from that point on, I taught both. I didn't require either. I let each drummer choose - even at a young age. This kid I referenced is now performing semi-professionally,and would have given it up for sure if I stuck to the "you must learn match" approach.
Good point, it can be a plus to learn different grips and techniques but at the same time not to force them on others as well. I would say I am a mostly matched player. Its how I learned, I picked up trad as well over the years. In the end, we all just want to play drums and not worry about grips and enjoy music!
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Im a trad grip player and sticked with it the only problem with match its becoming an increasing headacher coz some dont know how to control it.
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I just logged on to this forum for the first time and read some of the posts that are on here. Since this particuar thread is over 4 years old, it proves that this is a heated debate, and it hasn't seen any resolution.

My two cents:
Both are good. I've been playing for over 20 years, and teaching more than 12, I have a degree in it, etc.. That isn't (as many others seemed to have been trying to do) an attempt to out rank anybody, or say that I'm a better player than anybody on here. Just to show that I have some credibility to what I believe to be the truth.

Back 10 or so years ago, I was teaching a marching drumline. During his freshman year, a student played the multi-tenors or "quads" (matched grip). I was on him all year. I didn't want to be, but he just couldn't figure it out. Everybody else did. I worked with him privately, and in the group, and nothing worked. His left hand just didn't want to work in the matched style.

The following year, I showed up to auditions, and there he was, traditional grip and playing the Blue Devil's "ditty" flawlessly. I asked him to play it matched and he couldn't.

So, for this guy, sure a minority, but the argument "you spent more time working on trad, so of course it works better for you" isn't the case. For him, trad is better.

Some people stress a lot about learning things multiple ways, etc.. I don't. I think knowing how to make the sound you desire, and that is asked of you is the most important thing, and how you do it isn't important. To all of my new students from that point on, I taught both. I didn't require either. I let each drummer choose - even at a young age. This kid I referenced is now performing semi-professionally,and would have given it up for sure if I stuck to the "you must learn match" approach.
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I can play trad and matched, I prefer trad though. To me trad is something that just feels right. I can play crossovers with trad and with matched.
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I just logged on to this forum for the first time and read some of the posts that are on here. Since this particuar thread is over 4 years old, it proves that this is a heated debate, and it hasn't seen any resolution.

My two cents:
Both are good. I've been playing for over 20 years, and teaching more than 12, I have a degree in it, etc.. That isn't (as many others seemed to have been trying to do) an attempt to out rank anybody, or say that I'm a better player than anybody on here. Just to show that I have some credibility to what I believe to be the truth.

Back 10 or so years ago, I was teaching a marching drumline. During his freshman year, a student played the multi-tenors or "quads" (matched grip). I was on him all year. I didn't want to be, but he just couldn't figure it out. Everybody else did. I worked with him privately, and in the group, and nothing worked. His left hand just didn't want to work in the matched style.

The following year, I showed up to auditions, and there he was, traditional grip and playing the Blue Devil's "ditty" flawlessly. I asked him to play it matched and he couldn't.

So, for this guy, sure a minority, but the argument "you spent more time working on trad, so of course it works better for you" isn't the case. For him, trad is better.

Some people stress a lot about learning things multiple ways, etc.. I don't. I think knowing how to make the sound you desire, and that is asked of you is the most important thing, and how you do it isn't important. To all of my new students from that point on, I taught both. I didn't require either. I let each drummer choose - even at a young age. This kid I referenced is now performing semi-professionally,and would have given it up for sure if I stuck to the "you must learn match" approach.

That provides some insight for me personaly.

I'm a matched player but I've put a considerable amont of effort to learn trad. I just can't for the life of me play trad no matter how much practice I put into it, and no amount of instruction from other players has yet helped either. It just feels akward to me, especially moving around on the kit.

And what really sucks is all my favorite players are trad players.....

Maybe people are just predisposed to be better at one then the other?
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