DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM   

Go Back   DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM > Drum Gear > Cymbals

Cymbals Discuss Cymbals

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 03-16-2019, 08:39 PM
BertTheDrummer's Avatar
BertTheDrummer BertTheDrummer is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 1,339
Default Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

I have a set of Zildjian Ks that I love and a set of Paiste 2002s that I love. However, sometimes I wish I could just meld the two and come up with something that is in between the two. I guess a combo of the two would be a better description than in between the two. Any ideas?

My Zildjian K's are a pair of 15" Light HiHats, 17 and 19" Dark Thin Crashes, and a 22" K Ride (I guess it is a med ride, it is the one that just says RIDE on it).

My Paiste 2002s are a pair of 15" Sound Edge HiHats, 18 and 20" Crashes, and a 22" Prototype Ride that is Giant Beat weight (2350g).

Both sets are on the thinner side except for the 22" K Ride. I like the complexity I get from the sounds of both cymbals especially the Ks. I like how the Paistes hit and get out of the way, so they don't muddy up the mix. I like the brightness and shimmering sustain but for some things it seems like they can be a bit much. The K's are sometimes too dark and washy.

I guess what I'm wondering is if there is something that is between the Euro and Turkish sounds?

I know to compare the two is apples and oranges, and I guess I'm looking for a grapple or something. I know such a thing might not exist but I figured I'd ask those on here if they had any ideas.
__________________
Be a musician who plays the drums; dont be a drummer who is trying to play music. - Tommy Igoe

Last edited by BertTheDrummer; 03-16-2019 at 08:50 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 03-16-2019, 09:06 PM
pgm554's Avatar
pgm554 pgm554 is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 1,500
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

You can try the Paiste Masters.
B20 bronze as opposed to B8.
Darker than 2002's and closer to a K.
__________________
Pearl MCX Gretsch Renown and many many Fibes snares.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 03-16-2019, 09:21 PM
BertTheDrummer's Avatar
BertTheDrummer BertTheDrummer is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 1,339
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

Quote:
Originally Posted by pgm554 View Post
You can try the Paiste Masters.
B20 bronze as opposed to B8.
Darker than 2002's and closer to a K.
That was my initial thought as well, but the couple that I've tried so far I wasn't enamored with. Maybe I need to try out some more of them. The problem is they are pretty expensive, and I haven't really seen many (if any) around locally.
__________________
Be a musician who plays the drums; dont be a drummer who is trying to play music. - Tommy Igoe
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 03-16-2019, 09:54 PM
pgm554's Avatar
pgm554 pgm554 is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 1,500
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BertTheDrummer View Post
That was my initial thought as well, but the couple that I've tried so far I wasn't enamored with. Maybe I need to try out some more of them. The problem is they are pretty expensive, and I haven't really seen many (if any) around locally.
pretty expensive?

They should change their logo to Pai$te.

They really vary from their other lines.
I've played some I've liked and others sounded like aluminum hub caps.
__________________
Pearl MCX Gretsch Renown and many many Fibes snares.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 03-17-2019, 01:12 AM
Gottliver Gottliver is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Posts: 268
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

How about an A391 pack? Unless of course you want another set of 15” hats. They should split those right down the middle.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 03-17-2019, 01:18 AM
BertTheDrummer's Avatar
BertTheDrummer BertTheDrummer is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 1,339
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gottliver View Post
How about an A391 pack? Unless of course you want another set of 15 hats. They should split those right down the middle.
I had an A391 pack for a bit. The crashes weren't bad but still not quite what I think I'm looking for. I wasn't a fan of the 14" new beats or the 21" sweet ride.
__________________
Be a musician who plays the drums; dont be a drummer who is trying to play music. - Tommy Igoe
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 03-17-2019, 01:19 AM
wildbill's Avatar
wildbill wildbill is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Midwest - USA
Posts: 6,960
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

You might want to try some Giant Beats.
I've only had the 24" ride, but IMO, it had a blend of qualities that I usually associate with either Paiste and Zildjian.
Clear, clean sound, but with a touch of complexity I don't hear with the 2002's, for example.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 03-17-2019, 01:22 AM
BertTheDrummer's Avatar
BertTheDrummer BertTheDrummer is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 1,339
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

Quote:
Originally Posted by wildbill View Post
You might want to try some Giant Beats.
I've only had the 24" ride, but IMO, it had a blend of qualities that I usually associate with either Paiste and Zildjian.
Clear, clean sound, but with a touch of complexity I don't hear with the 2002's, for example.
I've thought about the Giant Beats and/or the Big Beats as well.
__________________
Be a musician who plays the drums; dont be a drummer who is trying to play music. - Tommy Igoe
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 03-17-2019, 02:00 AM
EhhSoCheap's Avatar
EhhSoCheap EhhSoCheap is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 65
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

What came to mind as I read your post were the Zildjian Avedis and Kerope lines. If youre wanting to move away from the dark wash of Ks, Avedis seems preferable to Kerope.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 03-17-2019, 02:44 AM
TK-421's Avatar
TK-421 TK-421 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 329
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

I'm thinking the new K Sweets. They'll have the warmth of your current Ks, but will definitely be a step or two in the direction of the 2002s as far as just a touch of brightness and shimmering sustain.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 03-17-2019, 07:33 PM
yammyfan's Avatar
yammyfan yammyfan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 234
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TK-421 View Post
I'm thinking the new K Sweets. They'll have the warmth of your current Ks, but will definitely be a step or two in the direction of the 2002s as far as just a touch of brightness and shimmering sustain.
Great suggestion.

I introduced the 17" K Sweet Crash to my setup (16 and 18" Dark Thin, like the OP) and it is just that - complex like the regular Ks but with an extra hint of sweetness and shimmer. My favourite crash cymbal, ever.

I plan to purchase the entire K Sweet line over time. The 19" crash is next.

Great overview of them if you haven't seen this already: https://youtu.be/QRYVI3-n-aI
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 03-17-2019, 08:11 PM
BertTheDrummer's Avatar
BertTheDrummer BertTheDrummer is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: DFW, TX
Posts: 1,339
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

Quote:
Originally Posted by yammyfan View Post
Great suggestion.

I introduced the 17" K Sweet Crash to my setup (16 and 18" Dark Thin, like the OP) and it is just that - complex like the regular Ks but with an extra hint of sweetness and shimmer. My favourite crash cymbal, ever.

I plan to purchase the entire K Sweet line over time. The 19" crash is next.

Great overview of them if you haven't seen this already: https://youtu.be/QRYVI3-n-aI
The crashes might be close from what I'm hearing in clips and the hi hats are a maybe. I don't think the rides are quite what I'm looking for. I'll think about it though.

I'm thinking I might need to find a day to make the couple hour drive over to Lone Star Percussion and hang out in their warehouse trying stuff.

Edit: I wanted to post an update but I didn't really want to bump the thread.

After trying a ton of cymbals, I think I figured out what I wanted was something similar the attack/decay characteristics I was getting from my Paiste 2002s but with a darker and possibly more complex sound. After trying a bunch of various cymbals I think the Dream Bliss seem to have at least some of what I was looking for. So, I think I'm going to start looking at gathering in some of those for now and see how it goes.

The Paiste Twenty/Masters were intriguing as well, but they are a bit too expensive to experiment with for me.
__________________
Be a musician who plays the drums; dont be a drummer who is trying to play music. - Tommy Igoe

Last edited by BertTheDrummer; 03-28-2019 at 12:05 AM. Reason: To update the conversation without a bump.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 03-21-2019, 07:37 PM
EricT43 EricT43 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: TX
Posts: 292
Default Re: Cymbal ideas, a combo of qualities of a Paiste 2002 and a Zildjian K?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TK-421 View Post
I'm thinking the new K Sweets. They'll have the warmth of your current Ks, but will definitely be a step or two in the direction of the 2002s as far as just a touch of brightness and shimmering sustain.
I was going to suggest this as well. The K Sweet crashes have a high-end shimmer that remind me of 2002's, but to a lesser degree.

Edit: I don't think the K Sweet Ride is anything like the 2002 rides. Honestly, I can't think of a Zildjian cymbal that is like that, except maybe A Custom. So if you're looking for something between a K Ride and a 2002 Ride, maybe the A Medium would be worth looking at, it's brighter than the K and is a great cymbal.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT +2. The time now is 08:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Bernhard Castiglioni's DRUMMERWORLD.com