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Old 04-02-2014, 10:01 PM
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Default Kerope ! ... believe the hype

so I went down to see my boy Jess at Steve Maxwells drum shop this morning and it turns out that yesterday they got their shipment of the new Zildjian Kerope cymbals.... so I got to tap on them

whoa!!

believe the hype

they are ridiculous

they remind me of the K cons.... but like a 30 years aged K con

and the wash is slightly different ... slightly more trashy and gorgeous

the stick stays on top just like the K con and they have amazing stick definition

if you stay on top they never really open up too much ... but if you lay into it they open like a wave of perfection then recede from the shore quickly

they look amazing as well... sort of a bronze appearance like a patina right off the line

and I love that there is no indication of "ride" or "crash".... they are just cymbals... like the old days

another cool thing is that every cymbal has it's weight marked under the bell

great stuff... but I could not buy one because the official release date is the 14th

so I "pre ordered" a 20" 1988g that I fell in deep love with ... but can not take it home for 2 weeks....ugh

go check them out when you can
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:06 PM
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That's pretty awesome.

I'm hoping they are a lot more affordable than the k cons? Did you try any of the hats? I'm looking for good light hats... Somewhere in the range of 1000 g on the bottom.
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:14 PM
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I tried to tell you!

Seriously Tony, when I was at NAMM and heard them, I instantly thought of you. I knew you would love them.

And I love the way they look like the turned up at an old pawn shop.
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Old 04-02-2014, 10:31 PM
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I tried to tell you!

Seriously Tony, when I was at NAMM and heard them, I instantly thought of you. I knew you would love them.

And I love the way they look like the turned up at an old pawn shop.
they are right up my alley

so gorgeous both sounding and looking

I'm not a fan of big logos so these are just right for me

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That's pretty awesome.

I'm hoping they are a lot more affordable than the k cons? Did you try any of the hats? I'm looking for good light hats... Somewhere in the range of 1000 g on the bottom.

yeah I tried the hats.... 14s and 15s

killer bro... seriously

slightly darker than the K cons with a flatter profile and just sound amazing

kinda pricey .... but worth it to me

I'm going to start off with the 1988g 20" and see where my addiction takes me from there :)
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:43 AM
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The weight seems to be falling between K Con's medium and medium-thin.

You make me want a 20" too...
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The weight seems to be falling between K Con's medium and medium-thin.

You make me want a 20" too...
there were a few very slightly heavier .... but the 1988g just spoke to me

it felt and sounded so sweet !!!

I was going to get a 22" but I love my K con medium thin low so much that I figured I would just couple it with this Kerope on my left

I'm a 2 cymbal man

I have a K con 20" light with 3 rivets there now but this Kerope will probably replace that one in my regular rotation
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:49 AM
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Are you going to rivet the new cymbal too?
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Are you going to rivet the new cymbal too?
hell no !!!!
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Oh, man. I am excited hearing a review like this from you. I know our tastes align. It's about time to buy a new cymbal, too....
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Old 04-03-2014, 01:30 AM
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Oh, man. I am excited hearing a review like this from you. I know our tastes align. It's about time to buy a new cymbal, too....
YOU my man will love these... I promise you that

the sound of these may even get Dmacc to buy a Zildjian .... now imagine that !!
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I had honestly written these off as all hype but I am going to give them a serious listen after reading your review. I don't really need anything new but I can always sell something off if I fall in love.

Tony, I hope I didn't offend you with the nudge in the Technique thread. Just a bit of good natured joshing among musicians.
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Old 04-03-2014, 02:19 AM
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I had honestly written these off as all hype but I am going to give them a serious listen after reading your review. I don't really need anything new but I can always sell something off if I fall in love.

Tony, I hope I didn't offend you with the nudge in the Technique thread. Just a bit of good natured joshing among musicians.
not at all brother

and if you dig this type cymbal these are the cream of the crop
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Old 04-03-2014, 06:47 AM
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I'll be keeping a close eye on my local music stores to see if any of them acquire some Keropes. I'd love a chance to hear them in person.

Definitely looking forward to hearing more!
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Old 04-03-2014, 07:02 AM
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Definitely looking forward to these guys coming out soon.

I used to think I had almost all the cymbals I needed. I can't wait to try out these things.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:26 PM
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You got me curious, so I went looking for some examples... I love the sound of this set of Keropes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbet7gVyCgA

I'm going to try to find hats that sounds like those.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:29 PM
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You got me curious, so I went looking for some examples... I love the sound of this set of Keropes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbet7gVyCgA

I'm going to try to find hats that sounds like those.
absolutely

that pretty much sounds like almost every pair I touched yesterday

the thing with these cymbals is they are very much like cymbals in the old days and every one is so different from the next even if the weights are very close

you really got get your hands on them and pick the one that speaks to you .... and it will

these are fantastic !!!
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:36 PM
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absolutely

that pretty much sounds like almost every pair I touched yesterday

the thing with these cymbals is they are very much like cymbals in the old days and every one is so different from the next even if the weights are very close

you really got get your hands on them and pick the one that speaks to you .... and it will

these are fantastic !!!
I'm so into that. With the exception of my hats, every cymbal on my kit is either late 60's or early 70's. I firmly believe that a) they just don't make em' like that anymore, and b) the aged sound of the cymbals is so great I can't stand it. Cymbals that get described as "modern" always sound kinda crappy to me; too bright. I think I just like that older, warmer tone. These Keropes seem to have a mix to my ear, sort of a slightly newer overtone, while the undertones are nice and smooth and old sounding.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:28 PM
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I'm so into that. With the exception of my hats, every cymbal on my kit is either late 60's or early 70's. I firmly believe that a) they just don't make em' like that anymore, and b) the aged sound of the cymbals is so great I can't stand it. Cymbals that get described as "modern" always sound kinda crappy to me; too bright. I think I just like that older, warmer tone. These Keropes seem to have a mix to my ear, sort of a slightly newer overtone, while the undertones are nice and smooth and old sounding.
yeah

they definitely have the soul of an old K .... just with that newer wash that cymbal makers have romantically created attempting to do the absolute impossible while harkening back to the days of old Ks
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I know dude, those things are ridiculous. I just spent months tormenting myself about whether to buy a Kerope or a K Con medium-thin low. I went with the K Con because I've always wanted one, but I'm sure I'll be splashing out on a Kerope one of these days.
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I know dude, those things are ridiculous. I just spent months tormenting myself about whether to buy a Kerope or a K Con medium-thin low. I went with the K Con because I've always wanted one, but I'm sure I'll be splashing out on a Kerope one of these days.
I have a 22" Med Thin Low as well at 2433g .... that thing is a mother f*#$!er
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I got to play both a 20 and a 22 this afternoon. Both delicious.

I really fell for the 22. Clear pingy stick with a lovely wholesome crash. Damn; a real musical instrument. Though I'd have been happy to take either one home.

They even looked nice, and I'm not so inclined to seduced so readily. But, oh man, Z hit a winner with these.
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I want a 20" on the low side between 1850 and 2000 grams.

Need to look under the couch cushions for an extra $500, will probably have to check under the car seats as well.
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Old 06-08-2014, 05:24 PM
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I want a 20" on the low side between 1850 and 2000 grams.

Need to look under the couch cushions for an extra $500, will probably have to check under the car seats as well.
my 20"is 1988 and boy does that thing sing like birds on a summer morning

beautiful tight stick def ...stick stays on top and all volumes

when crashed it opens up so beautifully and when push crashed it has this amazing trashy quality

I have owned many cymbals... probably too many .... just about every brand both major and independent at all weights and sizes...... and I don't think I have ever owned one as musical as that 20
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Old 06-15-2014, 03:18 PM
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Any youtube vids? :-)

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my 20"is 1988 and boy does that thing sing like birds on a summer morning

beautiful tight stick def ...stick stays on top and all volumes

when crashed it opens up so beautifully and when push crashed it has this amazing trashy quality

I have owned many cymbals... probably too many .... just about every brand both major and independent at all weights and sizes...... and I don't think I have ever owned one as musical as that 20
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WhoIsTony,

Btw, how much variation is between cymbals of the same Kerope model?
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WhoIsTony,

Btw, how much variation is between cymbals of the same Kerope model?
very much

I advise trying them in person

I ordered one from mycymbal.com and sent it back because it sounded nothing like the sound file..... I gambled on a replacement and got a really nice cymbal

all the others I picked in person

each one has very different characteristics ... even if they are similar weights
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These things take a while to arrive in Western Australia - but I have a set of 15's, a 19" and a 22", and they sound amazing.

Really similar to the Old K Intermediate stamp. The bell of the 22" is an ongoing experiment, especially if you're used to clear, tonal bells on cymbals. Very flat (shape), but not un-musical. Just very particular-sounding. I would imagine that Zildjian were very careful in how these were shaped, as it seems that much of the 'Kerope' sound stems from the relationships between this bell as well as the patina that they're using. Bell on the 19 is much 'clearer' and more tonal than the 22.

I've ordered a 20" to go along with the new family, and they are sitting in a larger collection of cymbals extremely well sound-wise. They are making friends very easily with:

14" K Con Hats
18" K Con Crash
20" Johan VDS
22" K Con MT Low
22" Lauritsen Kontroversial.

I, too, was concerned about all the hype and the new Zildjians not living up to it - but I am really very pleased so far.

In the back of my mind, though, I'm wondering how these pies will age, since they are pre-aged (and pre-aged in a 'new' way for Zildjian...)

Just a thought :)
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I'm an idiot and missed these at NAMM. I will have to go to Pro Drum to see one as soon as Stan and Jerry are done selling all of their Pro Drum-Zildjian stamped anniversary rides.

So you'd really recommend a Kerope over their Pitch Blacks? That's hard to believe ;)
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I'm wanting a 20" too. Are you ordering locally or from the States? Ordering from the States is so much cheaper. But it's a gamble of the sound/tone.... I can't make up my mind.

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These things take a while to arrive in Western Australia - but I have a set of 15's, a 19" and a 22", and they sound amazing.

Really similar to the Old K Intermediate stamp. The bell of the 22" is an ongoing experiment, especially if you're used to clear, tonal bells on cymbals. Very flat (shape), but not un-musical. Just very particular-sounding. I would imagine that Zildjian were very careful in how these were shaped, as it seems that much of the 'Kerope' sound stems from the relationships between this bell as well as the patina that they're using. Bell on the 19 is much 'clearer' and more tonal than the 22.

I've ordered a 20" to go along with the new family, and they are sitting in a larger collection of cymbals extremely well sound-wise. They are making friends very easily with:

14" K Con Hats
18" K Con Crash
20" Johan VDS
22" K Con MT Low
22" Lauritsen Kontroversial.

I, too, was concerned about all the hype and the new Zildjians not living up to it - but I am really very pleased so far.

In the back of my mind, though, I'm wondering how these pies will age, since they are pre-aged (and pre-aged in a 'new' way for Zildjian...)

Just a thought :)
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Old 06-25-2014, 11:41 AM
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I'm ordering through the local music store (I try to shop local when I can...)

All sizes have now arrived and I played them together during a (long) lunch break.

I'll follow this post with a detailed review of each size that I've played (15" hats, 19", 20", 22") later this evening, but I ordered them all blind, and they've worked out really well indeed.

Perhaps Stateside it's different, but in Western Australia it is very tough to get a full set of K Cons, Keropes (I know that lots of places are still waiting on their 'full sets' worldwide...), Agops, etc... We are just a small-volume market, and the turnover just isn't there.

While I don't get things at cost price, I've known the guys at the store for many years, and they always look after me - so the cost of buying locally works out to slightly cheaper than buying internationally + shipping. Needless to say, the experience of bringing your own snare(s), sticks and existing cymbals in to play for hours on the gear is tough to out a price on - but highly desirable :)



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I'm wanting a 20" too. Are you ordering locally or from the States? Ordering from the States is so much cheaper. But it's a gamble of the sound/tone.... I can't make up my mind.
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OK - as promised...here is a laborious, long-winded, overly verbose reflection on the Keropes that I've played.

For the record (again), they were the 15" hats (948/1184g), the 19" (1550g) , the 20" (1957g) and the 22" (2432g).

Firstly...goodness me are these good looking cymbals. They look like completely handmade cymbals that have been sitting in a cupboard somewhere for 50 years... You find them and frantically look for the stamp...etc :) Anyways...

15" Hats - I took a while to warm up to these. I have a dark, balanced, buttery set of 14" K Cons (the new style with the pin lathing) that I set up right next to them as a comparison, and didn't initially dig the 15s trashier sound. I moved the Cons away, and just played the 15s for a while, and warmed up to them pretty quickly. If Eric Harland's 16 pair of hats hooked up with Brian Blade's 15s...they'd sound like this. I particularly enjoyed the slightly less trashy bottom hat on top; and at 1184g, it certainly didn't feel too heavy at all. Lots of room to play around here and experiment. Foot sound was a bit more cushion-y than I'm used to, but once again, better to my ear once the weights were inverted. Blended beautifully with the rest of the family, and certainly gets you thinking about new creative possibilities with your hi-hat integration. Excellent.

19" - This was a wonder straight from the plastic bag. Straight onto the left side stand, and start roaring away to warm it up a bit. Bell is clear and musical, crash is warm, dark, tré Turkish. Just a great crash sound that is like the perfect dinner guest - Shows up exactly on time, incredible company while it's there, and then doesn't hang around too long at the end ;) Ride-wise...certainly it's a low to medium volume candidate at 1550g, but I must say that I was pleasantly surprised to hear how controlled it was at medium volume. I'd certainly use it when I wanted a slightly higher pitched ride sound that had that spitting, sizzling turkish crash wash underneath. Great as an alternative to the high pitched LSR with rivets sound, if you're looking for some variety. Was mildly worried about ordering this one, as I thought it would wash out too easily, and I'd just end up using it as a crash, but very pleased with the versatility. Lots more to say about this one, but I'll leave it there.

20" - This arrived just this morning, and I 'happened' to cruise past the shop within the hour. I had ordered this later than the others, and so expected a different shipping time - but it turns out that Melbourne had some, and it was sent right over! Anyways - the 20 doesn't disappoint in any capacity. The 20 and the 22 have a bell that you need to get used to, especially if you're more comfortable playing the newer style Ks, Other Zildjians, Paiste 602s...or anything else where the bell is fairly strong and relatively independent of the wash. Both of the larger Keropes that I played begin to activate the crash as you play the bell. I'll talk more about the 22" bell in a sec, but the 20" bell is extremely shallow and a little bit timid. I did, to be fair, have a fairly large felt underneath the bell, which didn't help - so once that was swapped out for a dense hi-hat felt, it opened up noticeably. If you're looking to play an 80's stadium rock bridge with these cymbals, expect David Lee Roth to roundhouse kick you in the junk for even trying. It's just not that cymbal. But...if you like a bell that is musical, mysterious, at times other-worldly - and one that you really need to play thoughtfully to get the most out if it - then this will suit you. I know that description is a little polarising, but I've just not played a bell like that before. Listening to cymbalsonly.com recordings of the Agops, it sounds kinda like some of them...Regarless, a fantastic ride sound, and great stick articulation. Once you crash it, the stick sound recovers within a stroke or two, and the crash sound is beautifully balanced high, mids and lows - not shearing your ears off, but not at all flat-ride like either. Incredible cymbal. Moving On...

22" - This cymbal is probably where dreams come from...I'm only speculating here, but surely it's true. You know that sound in your head? That sound which is actually an alchemist's fusion of Elvin's sound, mixed with Tony's sound, Mixed with Brian and Bill and Roy and Art and Philly Joe and Max and Billy and Eric and Paul and Jimmy and.... man this cymbal sounded like that to me. Great bell - not a mambo shout chorus bell, but when you play it with the shoulder of the stick in just the right spot - it sings. The stick and wash combo in general playing is just perfect. Not a dry ride by any means, but controlled - aged, if you like. They (Zildjian) got a number of essential things right in this ride cymbal (in my opinion...) Firsly, the stick sound is spot on...a real taaaahhhhh kinda sound. I really love the stick sound of my K Con 22" MT Low, but this is more authentic 'Old K' than that. But mixed in with that taaaaaahhhh in the 'holy grail' sound seems to be this quiet, high, flinty, brittle 'click'... and that is there too :) Most 'jazz' cymbals go for the woody stick sound, and forget the other part of the equation. In playing, try as I might, I could not get this ride to wash out. Short of crashing or bashing it, normal riding for jazz or rock grooves stayed balanced throughout. Plenty of volume (though none would describe these as 'loud' cymbals), but just balanced, and never getting away from you. What I'm basically saying is - I am a married man, but I have strong feelings for this ride cymbal.

So - there you have it. Thanks to WhoIsTony? for starting this thread up, and he's 100% right. The hype pays off this time :) Huzzah!

I took pics, but they are too big to post here. I might scale them in the near future and post then. Cheers!
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Thanks Bachbeat for the eloquent and thoughtful review.

I think you articulated quite well that which captivated me on the 22". That seamless union of ting and taahh off the stick. Stellar definition and sensitivity. And just a lovely cushion of musical wash rising and falling beneath in accordance with the players' dynamics.

I really lusted for this pie once having played it in the flesh.

There are, of course, many other great cymbals out there that capture that nearly magical combination of traits in their own way. However, there are so many more available that just "can't get there from here".
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My pleasure, johnnylaw - great pies, and really easy to write about :)

I picked up the 22" and the 20" from the shop today - they sound even better than I remember. I picked up a couple of those hard HiHat felts to use at cymbal stand felts to help the bells to stand out a little more, and they really worked a treat. Got a show tomorrow, and I'm pretty pumped to hear them with the rest of the band.

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Thanks Bachbeat for the eloquent and thoughtful review.

I think you articulated quite well that which captivated me on the 22". That seamless union of ting and taahh off the stick. Stellar definition and sensitivity. And just a lovely cushion of musical wash rising and falling beneath in accordance with the players' dynamics.

I really lusted for this pie once having played it in the flesh.

There are, of course, many other great cymbals out there that capture that nearly magical combination of traits in their own way. However, there are so many more available that just "can't get there from here".
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Do let us know how they work at the gig. I only played them In a store. I'm curious to get your impressions from the full band context.
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They were great! The main 22" is over 2400g, so it's no Paperthin by any means...it held up beautifully in a predominantly medium volume rock and medium ballad set.

Needless to say they sounded fantastic...they aren't all aspects of all cymbals rolled into one, but the stick sound on the 20 and 22 is so good that it sits above the rest of the band noise. I really couldn't wash them out - even at 'full swing'. Also got a friend to play them for me (sans band) just to hear them out front. I was worried that they might sound a bit too dry or choked by the patina, but nothing could be further from the truth. Well balanced from the throne to the crowd.

I've got a jazz duo tonight with a pianist, so I'll have a better idea after that how they sound in a setting that is a bit more in keeping with their stereotype :-)

I will say, though, that they are some of the best cymbals I've ever played, with respect to feeling inspired and creative whilst playing them. I'll expand on this thought after an evening of improv.

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Bachbeat, you are a fortunate man.

Thanks for sharing your impressions.

Cheers!
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My pleasure. I've been very fortunate with gear over the last 15 or so years (as, I've noticed, have many others on this forum). The journey continues, though, and I was just exploring other cymbal sounds today! It really is a sickness :-/

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