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Old 06-21-2015, 02:54 AM
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:23 AM
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Before I opened the link I could guess what the gist of the article was going to be. They are overpriced pieces of crap. I can't believe how many people I know can be hoodwinked by a brand image.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:48 AM
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I bought a pair of Tascam headphones from Musicians Friend on their Stupid Deal of the Day for $15.00 a few weeks ago, and to me they sound great! I can't afford to lay out $200 for headphones, so Beats would have never been a consideration.
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:06 AM
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You mean the better general quality of cars and stationery? The higher standards of drum production and instrument production in general?

When you remove emotion from the equation, it's pretty obvious that the standard of manufacture has gone up enormously in the last 50 years. Things might not be to our taste but basic standards have definitely improved.

But then you're one that seems to think that seatbelts are too modern.
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Old 06-21-2015, 07:14 AM
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I do love my Bose QC25 cans. They make flying a much more pleasant experience, even allowing me to sleep once in a while.
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Old 06-21-2015, 09:39 AM
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Modern psychological techniques of marketing > rational consumers
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Old 06-21-2015, 10:09 AM
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Yep, gotta say I agree. Beats are an overhyped POS brand made popular by marketing. My Sennheiser HD 280 Pros are infinitely superior by comparison, and a lot of audiophiles think even those are trash. I received a pair of Beats Solos as a gift, and they aren't even in the same ballpark as the HD 280s...
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Old 06-21-2015, 10:42 AM
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I don't have a high opinion of Beats, but really that article can be summarised as:

* Beats appear to have weight added to give the impression of quality and heft
* Beats are packaged in luxurious packing to give the impression of quality
* Beats are cheaper to make than to sell (excluding R&D costs)

To me it read like an article by somebody who knew what conclusion he wanted and worked backwards from there. If you want to show that they are lousy headphones, tell us about things like frequency response, sound stage, clarity and so on. Tell us how they compare, even subjectively against cheaper and more expensive headphones.
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Old 06-21-2015, 01:52 PM
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You might feel fooled on hearing about this.

Or you might merely marvel at the ingenuity offered by designers and marketers to give you what makes you feel good.

You may well be one of the millions who love their Beats headphones. This may be because LeBron James tells you to. Or it may be because Dr. Dre does.

When you put them on, they look just so and every so often you get admiring glances as you walk through an airport with them hanging around your neck like a recent romantic conquest.
I think that pretty well sums up pop culture and irrational American consumption. Darn that Sigmund Freud and Edward Bernays. ;)
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That made no sense at all....
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If people actually had good ears and could listen to beats before buying them, then that would be enough to put someone off. Unfortunately the market for such headphones does not lie with audiophiles, which would make up a small percent of people who listen to music, and instead with people who want to wear whats 'fashionable' and listen to music casually, which would probably make up 99% of people, so beats will continue to sell no matter what the quality of their product. Quality of product is really just a function of market demand.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:22 PM
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Quality of product is really just a function of market demand.
Depends upon what types of goods and services are involved. Improved quality of product can lead to greater market demand. And all of the economic models and market assumptions don't mean much when they are consistently undermined by marketing techniques exploiting irrational behavior in people.
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Old 06-21-2015, 03:35 PM
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There's a reason you don't see them in studios, where sound matters.

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Old 06-21-2015, 04:14 PM
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I sampled a pair of Beats Pro recently and I didn't think that they were any better than my cheap Vic Firth headphones that I use just for practice.

I like my Shure 425 dual driver in ears for general listening and stage monitoring.
I would however like to move up to Shure's higher end model with three drivers.
More low end would be nice.
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Old 06-21-2015, 04:46 PM
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I think those tech news articles are antiquated.
Anyone who wants to know a good set of phones would go to one of the many audiophile forums and glean the necessary info there.
Beats are fashionable.
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Old 06-21-2015, 04:56 PM
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Since this brand of headphones are basically considered a consumer trick, a little sidetrack....who can recommend a set of high end phones that are worth the money?
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Old 06-21-2015, 05:08 PM
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Since this brand of headphones are basically considered a consumer trick, a little sidetrack....who can recommend a set of high end phones that are worth the money?
Sony MDR-7506 is my main go-to headphone. And they only cost $99 at Guitar Center or Sam Ash. They are a staple in major studios around the world. GK Ultraphones are actually the Sony MDR-7506 installed into Peltor shooter's earmuffs.

Of course, I like the AKG K240's too, but I own several pairs of the Sony's.
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Old 06-21-2015, 05:36 PM
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Sony MDR-7506 is my main go-to headphone. And they only cost $99 at Guitar Center or Sam Ash. They are a staple in major studios around the world. GK Ultraphones are actually the Sony MDR-7506 installed into Peltor shooter's earmuffs.

Of course, I like the AKG K240's too, but I own several pairs of the Sony's.
99 bucks sounds almost too cheap. I thought you were going to quote something in the 250-300 range. Which are more comfy, your Sony's or the AKG?
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:13 PM
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Since this brand of headphones are basically considered a consumer trick, a little sidetrack....who can recommend a set of high end phones that are worth the money?
I also really like the Sony MDR-7506’s - they’re good all-around cans. My other favorites, are Grado headphones. For around the same price as the Sony's, the SR-80e’s are one of the all-time great deals. Like the Sonys they’ve been around for 20+ years, are durable, comfortable and sound great.

The thing with Grado’s though, is they’re open back - so they don’t isolate sound - but open back headphones sound incredible!
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:31 PM
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99 bucks sounds almost too cheap. I thought you were going to quote something in the 250-300 range. Which are more comfy, your Sony's or the AKG?
$99 is not too cheap. You can spend more, but it doesn't matter. You want accuracy, and the Sony's so it. As far as comfy goes, they're both about the same. But I notice replacement ear pads for the Sony's are more readily available than they are for the AKGs. This is why the Beats article is funny to me. I go into BestBuy and I see how much they're charging for that crap, and how the kids are buying 'em up like they do Nike shoes, and I just shake my head.

Funny thing about that article. In the end, they said Apple bought Beats. I think the only reason Apple was impressed with Beats is because Beats marketing is just like Apple's: let's make some crap that everybody will buy regardless is it's good or if they even need it. I would love to make my living like that!
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Old 06-21-2015, 06:34 PM
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Another +1 for the Sony MDR-7506. My fear is that with the proliferation and acceptance of POS listening systems, I will have to monitor my studio recording mixes through yet another audio output device just to make sure they're "Beats-compatible", much like testing a mix in mono or over cheap earbuds. Then again would the Beats kids even know a good mix from a bad one?
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I have a pair of Beats Pro and they are okay for what I paid - nothing. I used expiring air miles and my daughter uses them most of the time.

That said, I would love to have a pair of Sennheiser HD800 but I hate spending money on technology.

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Old 06-21-2015, 06:39 PM
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File under, well, duh.

They were never marketed as being superior audio quality headphones, they were marketed as being fashion items.
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Sony MDR-7506 is my main go-to headphone. And they only cost $99 at Guitar Center or Sam Ash. They are a staple in major studios around the world. GK Ultraphones are actually the Sony MDR-7506 installed into Peltor shooter's earmuffs.

I still use the MDR V6, similarly the same as the MDR 7506.
I had the V6s years ago, but they got ripped from our tour van while the band was playing in the club. Stole my damn shoes too.

Studio phones aren't audiophile phones either, they're just considered non-colored.
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Old 06-21-2015, 10:44 PM
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While the article's point is accurate, they underestimate the cost of the most expensive components (speakers) by quite a bit. The speaker in the BOM is sourced at ~$1.

I guess what I'm saying is that these things don't have a %1200 margin, it's more like %300.
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If I were to buy a pair of good phones, like the Sony's, would it make that much of a difference if all I'm listening out of is my phone and computer? Is there a good enough signal coming out of my phone and laptop that it would be worth having better phones?
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Sennheiser HD-25 II anybody? I've been using and loving them for years.
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If I were to buy a pair of good phones, like the Sony's, would it make that much of a difference if all I'm listening out of is my phone and computer? Is there a good enough signal coming out of my phone and laptop that it would be worth having better phones?
Yes, the output in an iPhone (and most other electronics devices) is good enough that you will notice a significant difference between a $25 set of earphones and a $75 set of earphones.

Don't get caught up in brand. Come up with a budget, and ask google "What are the best over ear headphones for under $100" and look at the results. Once you find something interesting, like the Sony MDR7506, see if you can find it on-sale somewhere.
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i use a pair of Alessandro Ms-1's which were $99. they are basically a tweaked version of the Grado SR-80's. they sound fantastic for just listening to music. they're open back so they definitely aren't for recording or for playing along to music but I can't recommend them highly enough if you're looking to just enjoy music.
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Go with the AKG K240s! Those are some extremely well designed headphones. Not to mention, they make the cable easy to swap out and replace, which is a huge, huge upside. Comfortable, good response range, even passable for rough mixing. Very nice.
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The only serious place to get headphone reviews by price range is head-fi.org. I used their buyer's guide to choose my cans and haven't regretted my decision. Check it out.

http://www.head-fi.org/a/headphone-buying-guide
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I use these and really dig them.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Beyerdyn...19-i1126937.gc

They sound great, but they are also the most comfortable headphones I've felt!
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The only serious place to get headphone reviews by price range is head-fi.org. I used their buyer's guide to choose my cans and haven't regretted my decision. Check it out.

http://www.head-fi.org/a/headphone-buying-guide
Thanks for posting that link - great resource there, I've got leads on some new mid range headphones thanks to the recommendations on that site!
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The only serious place to get headphone reviews by price range is head-fi.org. I used their buyer's guide to choose my cans and haven't regretted my decision. Check it out.

http://www.head-fi.org/a/headphone-buying-guide
Oddly enough the Sony's weren't listed there. Still, I'd get the Sony's on Bo's recommendation alone. The price is right and I'm not looking for state of the art, just a really great headphone with good bass.

I inherited a nice sounding pair of phones from my late stepson. Lightyears ahead of my crappy VF headphones. The brand is Steelseries and it uses a USB connector. He used it as a gamer's headphone. It's got really nice bass response, but I have nothing to compare it to. They go for about $100. I could use a few more nice sets of headphones, so I will be checking out the Sonys.
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Oddly enough the Sony's weren't listed there.
Yes, they are. They're under the Budget ($0$75) category, though. Not sure if they can really be had that cheap.
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On Amazon, the Sony headphones you guys have been mentioning are only $85. It's very tempting.

Anyone use the Vic Firth headphones? I'm interested in those also.
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I use Sony MDR 7506 too. Unless you have 'golden ears', spending more is overkill.

They can get a little uncomfortable with extended use though - like a few hours or so.
Gotta' take a break - ha ha.

It was a toss up for me between those and the comparably priced AKG's.
I still might pick those up sometime.
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