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Old 09-22-2011, 07:12 AM
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forgive my ignorance, oh knowledgable types...but...

Wilco was on Letterman last night and the drummer played a stick with a smaller than a golf ball sized ball on the tip end. i was wondering what it's called and what it's uses are. although the song had softer sections and slamming sections, i noticed it was being played during the slamming ride out section.

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Old 09-22-2011, 07:26 AM
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Didn't see it, but at a guess it sounds like you're talking about something like this: http://www.vicfirth.com/product/buyn...hp?button=5ADT

Just a normal stick with a mallet on the butt end.
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Old 09-22-2011, 07:34 AM
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I've had the Vic Firth 'Swizzle" stick which is kind of a fat stick with a small bead and then the mallet head on the other end. Pretty useful when you want to do cymbal swells without switching sticks.
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at first i thought it was a mallet stick, BUT the ball thing was on the TIP end.

it was black or dark coloured and appeared to be hard wood. the butt end appeared to be standard. and it was only his left (snare) hand that had that tip. and it wasn't during the softer sections of music. he was using it on the snare during the hard slamming ride out.

it looked almost exactly like this:
http://www.google.com/products/catal...ed=0CGQQ8gIwBw

i can't tell if the above is the butt end or tip end, but what i saw was on the tip end. the butt end appeared to be normal (although kind of flat - not a very rounded butt end).

i was thinking i could use this to get more power out of my snare.
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at first i thought it was a mallet stick, BUT the ball thing was on the TIP end.

it was black or dark coloured and appeared to be hard wood. the butt end appeared to be standard. and it was only his left (snare) hand that had that tip. and it wasn't during the softer sections of music. he was using it on the snare during the hard slamming ride out.

i was thinking i could use this to get more power out of my snare.
That's just your general-type mallet. My school has a particular type of rubber mallet that's used for multiple applications, like xylo and temple blocks, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were the same or a similar model.
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yes, it was almost certainly this:
http://www.amazon.com/Mike-Balter-Un.../dp/B0007Z453G

except there seemed to be more taper to the stick, the stick was fatter and the butt end was less rounded.
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Old 09-22-2011, 01:58 PM
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That's just your general-type mallet. My school has a particular type of rubber mallet that's used for multiple applications, like xylo and temple blocks, so it wouldn't surprise me if they were the same or a similar model.
thanks. what would be the advantage of using such a mallet on the snare ? it sounded like a regular old backbeat. will it damage the heads ?

i used a fatter than 2B marching stick when i was first starting out because i was breaking so many regular sticks (broke it too). this was before i discovered my beloved Ahead Studio Hybrid AB's. the marching band sticks put a crater the size of my palm into my Ambassador. these look lighter though. what would be the advantage of using such a mallet on the snare ?
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That's Glen Kotche. He's really cool!

The advantages are a more standard sound on some surfaces, but different tones on cymbals, or other parts of his kit than what standard sticks produce.

Did he use a "regular" snare, or his really tricked out snare with the springs and wires in it?

Check out Monkey Chant.
You can see some felt ball mallet sticks (Swizzle) at 1:45.

I have a pair of these and used them on a song on my bands latest cd.
It sounds pretty "normal", just a bit softer attack, but the cymbal crashes sounded a lot cooler for that particular tune with the Swizzle sticks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkmGSABX1Sg

The performance he did a the Modern Drummer fest has the movie he does the music to. It's pretty dang cool.

You're able to hear all the stuff on the snare because he uses contact mic's on it.
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That's Glen Kotche. He's really cool!

The advantages are a more standard sound on some surfaces, but different tones on cymbals, or other parts of his kit than what standard sticks produce.

Did he use a "regular" snare, or his really tricked out snare with the springs and wires in it?

Check out Monkey Chant.
You can see some felt ball mallet sticks (Swizzle) at 1:45.

I have a pair of these and used them on a song on my bands latest cd.
It sounds pretty "normal", just a bit softer attack, but the cymbal crashes sounded a lot cooler for that particular tune with the Swizzle sticks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkmGSABX1Sg

The performance he did a the Modern Drummer fest has the movie he does the music to. It's pretty dang cool.

You're able to hear all the stuff on the snare because he uses contact mic's on it.
that was pretty cool. i'm not usually a fan of percussion solos unless there's a kit involved too. i very much liked the crickets in a box (for lack of knowledge of what was really in the box). " : )

yes i noticed the Swizzle sticks last night. they were lying with other unused sticks next to the bank of tiny cymbals. i do plan to get some at some point, because they sound better for swells than regular sticks. as best as i can remember, he did not use the Tricked Out Snare last night. i'll have to check the DVR.

thank you much. and thank you guys for mentioning the Swizzle Sticks. i knew what they were, but i did not know what they were called.

i also plan to get some Hot Rods at some point or another.

so will the hard mallets damage the drum or cymbals in any way ?
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Nah, the felt is "hard" but it's not solid hard, like a giant piece of wood or anything close.
You can get swells, and bright sounds on the cymbal with these, and also close to stick sounding crashes with the felt.

The MD version of Monkey Chant is very cool. The link was the one I found easily.

He doesn't use a bass drum on it either. It's a bass drum pedal with an up-swing (instead of a forward swing) under a floor tom. I thought that was pretty cool.
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Glenn uses all sorts of different Pro-Mark sticks/mallets/beaters to get the sounds he's looking for. While the use of what would typically be considered a keyboard percussion mallet might seem odd, the really won't do any damage (no more so that hitting with a stick). Here are the multi-percussion sticks: http://www.promark.com/products/view/txsd5w/

And here are the different non-wrapped keyboard mallets: http://www.promark.com/products/orch...rappedmallets/

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thank you much. very helpful.
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Generally hitting any regular old single-ply head hard enough will destroy it. So, if you're interested in heavier backbeats and different sounds at higher volume levels, look into using marching heads on your snare in combination with mallets or marching sticks. The mallets will still produce a sound different from sticks on anything, though. Just experiment, there's a lot of stuff to try.
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Woah.

Just watched that video for Monkey Chant.

A drum solo I could actually get excited about :)

Can't believe I've never heard of this guy.
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Generally hitting any regular old single-ply head hard enough will destroy it. So, if you're interested in heavier backbeats and different sounds at higher volume levels, look into using marching heads on your snare in combination with mallets or marching sticks. The mallets will still produce a sound different from sticks on anything, though. Just experiment, there's a lot of stuff to try.
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