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Old 01-05-2015, 05:56 PM
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As many of you by now know, recently i got a new kit. My current kit is a sonor martini. Great for the pubs and smaller venues, but when we reached #1 in our region we got some bigger venues, and with that we needed bigger gear. The band got a bigger pa and moniter system, and i needed to find a kit. A long story short, i saw a kit i thought was a sonor phonic, turned out it was a mix mash of a 60s ludwig standard bass drum, and some 70s concert toms as well as a pair of maxwin concert toms that had been found in a skip outside simmons drums in st albans. he found some utterly buggered phonics in there and used the lugs to rebuild the luddy. I now have it, and all i can say is WOW, concert toms are both awesome and loud. I love the beefy sound from them, propper power rock sounding. Very happy to own an american luddy even if it is a bit bastardised (hey many other drummers do this, most famous being nicko with his mish mash of different lines from premier on his kit) and LOVE concert toms now. utterly won over.
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Old 01-05-2015, 06:45 PM
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Old 01-05-2015, 06:56 PM
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I agree, concert toms can sound great with loud rock songs.

But I think they have a one dimensional sound. I have tried them and when I hit them softly I get a very similar sound to when I hit them hard.
Unlike a drum with a reso head.

Am I crazy here? Have you guys had this same experience ?


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Old 01-05-2015, 07:12 PM
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Always a fan here! It's true, the sound is fairly consistent across a dynamic range, but the upside is that the drum is less likely to choke with heavy playing (more of a tendency with smaller toms.)

In case nobody's stumbled upon it yet, my www.concerttoms.com site has a bunch of photos and info.

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Old 01-05-2015, 07:13 PM
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I actually find that yes while they are rather limited compared to toms with a reso head, they arent "one dimension". I have them tuned 2 ways, either really high which gives a LOVELY jazz sound, and then really low for that power rock sound. I find they are versatile in a way.
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:15 PM
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:20 PM
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on a side note: i noticed im not the only one who mixed and matched drums. I looked up that quite a lot of concert tom players had a bass drum with straight shells and concert toms with re rings, and a lot of drummers either custom ordered or had separate series for the toms and bass drums. I heard phil collins had a DLX bass drum with a separate series of toms with dlx hardware.
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:38 PM
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:41 PM
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I am actually restoring a Rogers kit that came to me with concert toms. In an act of mercy I will be having the 13" tom converted to a double headed tom. Gonna be a beaut' when she is done.
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Old 01-05-2015, 07:54 PM
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I actually find that yes while they are rather limited compared to toms with a reso head, they arent "one dimension". I have them tuned 2 ways, either really high which gives a LOVELY jazz sound, and then really low for that power rock sound. I find they are versatile in a way.
Oh yes, you can get lots of different sounds out of concert toms with different tunings and various head choices.

What I meant was; a one dimensional sound while you are playing them.

And your comment made me think of a benefit of a single head. Quick tuning !


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Old 01-05-2015, 08:00 PM
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aye! well the advantage of my kit is tuning. I have t rods on the bass drum aswell so tuning its often a breeze.
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Old 01-05-2015, 08:18 PM
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I have a love/hate thing with concert toms.

I love to hate them.
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Old 01-06-2015, 12:12 AM
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I regret ever selling my Yamaha concert toms. Serious seller's remorse.
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Old 01-06-2015, 12:37 AM
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The good news about concert toms is, since very few drummers dig them, they can be bought on the cheap! Well, perhaps not such good news if you're selling them...
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Old 01-06-2015, 12:57 AM
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I'm putting together a cocktail kit right now and it's going to be all single-headed drums (even the snare).
project is in its infant stages, but will post pics as it progresses.
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Old 01-06-2015, 01:11 AM
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I have a love/hate thing with concert toms.

I love to hate them.
Me too. I think they sound like terrible cardboard, with the slight exception of really small diameter drums.
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Old 01-06-2015, 02:07 AM
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Me too. I think they sound like terrible cardboard, with the slight exception of really small diameter drums.
I have a different take. Like if a drum were a person, a concert tom would be a blowhard.

They just sound rude to me.
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My gigging kit has 13 inch and 16 inch concert toms. Just old and vintage luan wood. Couldn't even sell them for a hundie if I wanted to. Initially, I had performance two heads on the toms, But I changed them out using G 14's with sound rings and now they sound pretty good. At least, good enough for a rock gig. They didn't sound quite as good with the performance two heads on them.
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Old 01-06-2015, 06:44 AM
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Having used Phonic concert toms for many years, here are some pros and cons I found.

Pros: Concert toms do project. If they are tuned right with the right heads, they have a killer sound. In many cases you will not even have to mic them to keep up with the burring guitar player.

Cons: You cannot 'tighten up' the sound due to the lack of the bottom head. It is also hard to control the volume. In the case of the Phonics, they are very heavy in weight.
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Old 01-06-2015, 02:23 PM
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I have a different take. Like if a drum were a person, a concert tom would be a blowhard.

They just sound rude to me.
You mean, aggressive, loud and in your face?? Gotta love that in a drum!
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Old 01-06-2015, 02:46 PM
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You mean, aggressive, loud and in your face?? Gotta love that in a drum!
Yea Jon, that's pretty much it. Plus I don't care for the overall tone of voice. A concert tom is not humble lol. Kind of peeves me off lol.
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Old 01-06-2015, 03:09 PM
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i think larry dislikes them because they are for real men (and awesome women). The brash in your face, raw loudness and power of concert toms scare him a little...
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:52 PM
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I am actually restoring a Rogers kit that came to me with concert toms. In an act of mercy I will be having the 13" tom converted to a double headed tom. Gonna be a beaut' when she is done.
Found a Slingerland kit with concert toms this past weekend. If it's still there in a couple of days I'm going to snag it. A bit rough, but I'm always up for a project.
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Old 01-06-2015, 05:55 PM
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I have a different take. Like if a drum were a person, a concert tom would be a blowhard.

They just sound rude to me.
I love this description. It reminds me of the thread where we personified our cymbals. I just picture a concert tom kit as a loud brash guy jabbering on his phone in the movie theater.
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I love this description. It reminds me of the thread where we personified our cymbals. I just picture a concert tom kit as a loud brash guy jabbering on his phone in the movie theater.
I like rude, brash and in your face when it comes to music. Sounds like I may enjoy concert toms.
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Old 01-06-2015, 08:07 PM
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I love this description. It reminds me of the thread where we personified our cymbals. I just picture a concert tom kit as a loud brash guy jabbering on his phone in the movie theater.
I imagine brian blessed trying to read a childrens nursery rhyme when i think of concert toms, only he has the inability to speak any softer than his ""fly my pretties" moment in flash
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