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Old 06-13-2018, 06:51 PM
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Default When the band you're auditioning for,..

..sucks, but they still reject you.

I thought I played well, (in spite of an off-key lead singer, and a guitarist who used wayy too much distortion imo) I tried to stay in the pocket, not too many fills...

I've only been playing for a year after a long layoff, I'm currently part of the backline at a local open mic, and have been approached by two working bands about doing fill-in work. I thought I was making progress. Maybe not

has this happened to you?,..does it mess with your confidence?
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:55 PM
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You've stated the reason why you think you may have been refused. If you can control or change any of those that you may be responsible, work on those and move on. After a layoff, you may need more work, so go do it. Good Luck
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:58 PM
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It happened to me once as a guitar player. It may not even be about your drum skill at all. You just have to laugh it off and move on.
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:03 PM
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Don't take it too personally.

There could be a million reasons why you weren't chosen, that have nothing to do with your playing.

- They didn't like your look.

- You weren't the right age.

- You were the best player they ever played with, but you didn't copy a pet fill of the guitarist's in one of his favorite songs.

- They just heard from an old buddy who plays drums, and they are choosing their old buddy.

And a million more.

If you can, record yourself playing along to songs, and listen.
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:30 PM
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On the upside, why would you want to play for a band that you thought sucked anyway? Now you don't have to decline an offer in a band that sucks.
Its all reached equilibrium.
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Old 06-13-2018, 07:59 PM
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Default Re: When the band you're auditioning for,..

If the band sucks, should you really trust their judgement anyway? Not everyone wins every audition, and Frank covered just some of the reasons above.

Don't worry about it, I'm sure it's an isolated result and doesn't warrant too much introspection. And be careful about getting too clinical about your playing, with too many rules where you're no longer playing naturally. Bands will spot that immediately.

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Old 06-13-2018, 08:11 PM
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Maybe it was just personality conflict. I mean, I wouldn't make it far in a band of staunch religious people. I tell too many off-color jokes.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:06 PM
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loads of mis-informed musicians think they will find the perfect band member and they will start sounding great without having to practice.

Don't feel bad that you came up against someone's delusions!
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:18 PM
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Been there. Done that. In my case, they gave me a CD of original music and told me which tunes to work on. I get to the audition, using only a snare, kick, hats & crash/ride, and they are flummoxed that I don't have a full kit. I assure them I do, but I'm too lazy to tote a full kit for a 2-song audition.

We play. Sounds okay. I can't hear the bass, just two loud guitars, piled on top of a loud keyboard/piano. One guitarist says that it feels so much better than the "other guy". The other guitarist exclaims that "it's like old times" (we used to play together 15 years ago). Then we go off into the weeds when one guitarist wants to play a song where "in this part of the song, there is no '1' beat." We try it a few times, and I finally remark that, if I can't dance to it, I can't drum to it.

That's when the bassist says, "My drummer can play it."

My response: "Time for beer!"
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:49 PM
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Back when I gigged 30 some yearsago, musicians would send a tape of them playing. Then the band would choose among the submissions. I did play a couple of times ( Audition I guess) with a band that had a bass player always sliding up and down frets to find the spot ( proper note). Drove me nuts. I basically played 4 on the floor just to keep some consistancy on the low end. After 2 jams, I was done.
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Old 06-14-2018, 12:12 AM
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Dude happens to the best of us.

I auditioned for a Genesis tribute once, got given the songs learnt them, even borrowed my mates old premier concert tom kit and didn't get the gig. My girlfriend at the times bro was on bass and my best mate was guitarist but the front man wasn't keen.....messianic complex. (Bit awkward for a few months afterwards as he didn't bother to tell me I'd not got the gig and dumped it on me best mate)

Karma is a wonderful thing, my best mate left them not long after as well after he was told the birth of his daughter shouldn't conflict with a tour......a nice man.

It sucks, your pride gets hurt a bit but when you settle in a good band that makes more money and is way more fun than learning a 1974 version of Suppers Ready that on 10 people have ever heard, you can laugh at them :)
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Yup, it does. I'm sort of going through that right now.

I had a band contact me saying they are interested, but never got back in touch with me to come out. It's been a few weeks. Nothing. Heck, I've had about 3 of those. In the meantime, the band I'm in now is starting to get booked up for fall which is nice!

I don't think it's due to lack of skill; I'm just unsure if I'm a good fit. I also mentioned crazy stuff, like, getting paid to play (which I don't think they are into). They do it strictly for fun. I do it for fun too, but I like to get paid for my efforts from time to time.
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Old 06-14-2018, 04:06 PM
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I'm just unsure if I'm a good fit. I also mentioned crazy stuff, like, getting paid to play (which I don't think they are into). They do it strictly for fun. I do it for fun too, but I like to get paid for my efforts from time to time.
They did you a favor not calling you back. You don't want any of that.

Any band not looking to get paid can't be very good. Plus any band doing that ruins live music for the rest of the world. You don't want to be a part of that.
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Old 06-14-2018, 04:56 PM
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They did you a favor not calling you back. You don't want any of that.

Any band not looking to get paid can't be very good. Plus any band doing that ruins live music for the rest of the world. You don't want to be a part of that.
That's sort of how I'm approaching it. Thanks!
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Old 06-14-2018, 05:38 PM
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I got rejected recently because they said I didn't stay in the pocket. They said I did not do enough fills and other things. Hmmm....not in pocket but not enough "other things" I need to do more than just do what drummer is supposed to do they said. Huh? Sounds contradictory. Also when they contacted me they said they wanted a very simple rhythm section just simple grooves. That's what I did but they didn't like it when they heard it. We went through two of their sets it was 2 hours long and they never said anything never asked me to change anything and then see if it fit what they wanted.

Oh also the front who played guitar and sang sped up no matter what I did. I got blamed for not being able to hold down the pace.

They're still looking for as drummer last I heard lol. I saw an ad on Craigslist last week.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:43 PM
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On the upside, why would you want to play for a band that you thought sucked anyway? Now you don't have to decline an offer in a band that sucks.
Its all reached equilibrium.
That's what I was thinking! Sounds win/win to me.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:51 PM
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I got rejected recently because they said I didn't stay in the pocket. They said I did not do enough fills and other things. Hmmm....not in pocket but not enough "other things" I need to do more than just do what drummer is supposed to do they said. Huh? Sounds contradictory. Also when they contacted me they said they wanted a very simple rhythm section just simple grooves. That's what I did but they didn't like it when they heard it. We went through two of their sets it was 2 hours long and they never said anything never asked me to change anything and then see if it fit what they wanted.

Oh also the front who played guitar and sang sped up no matter what I did. I got blamed for not being able to hold down the pace.

They're still looking for as drummer last I heard lol. I saw an ad on Craigslist last week.
You probably already know this, but sometimes people equate "pocket" drumming with minimalist drumming, and it's not that. You can be perfectly in pocket while executing a fill every measure if you like; conversely, you can be nowhere near the pocket while not playing any fills at all... It depends on the music much more than anything, some songs need busy and some the opposite. The "pocket" is the deepest part of the pulse that the whole band establishes.

The drums aren't just "time keepers", they are a part of the song, they set up sections and manage the transitions, they often lead by dynamics or sound texture and anchor the song for the listener. We occupy both high and low end, and have huge control over the "feel" of a song just by our choice of voicing around the kit.
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Old 06-14-2018, 08:57 PM
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If you're not a hired hand for a certain project, but actually going to join a band blind then auditioning is a numbers game. Doesn't matter if it's not working for you or the rest. It will not be healthy or productive for anyone if it doesn't feel right.

Subbing and getting recommended is the safest way, but it takes a while if you're new to a scene or area.
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Old 06-15-2018, 03:50 PM
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I do it for fun too, but I like to get paid for my efforts from time to time.
A few years ago I didnít even get to the rehearsal stage with one band because during email exchanging I made a point of saying that while Iím always happy to do the odd real favour, I wasnít someone who will routinely do a battle of the bands, showcase gig or charity event. The answer I got was a bit blunt saying that I didnít sound like the kind of person they wanted in the band, which was absolutely fine because Iíd made a point of mentioning my attitude because I didnít want to be in a band with people who would routinely play for nothing.
Probably nothing to do with that, but the band did get off the ground and disappeared shortly afterwards, meanwhile the band I did join (you could almost say I co founded it) a month or two later is now in its fourth year. Between that and my other band Iím able to provide the spending money for our Summer Holiday as well as paying for the entirety of a weeks break we can take abroad every autumn too. A friend of mine I was talking to last night has recently moved to a badly paid job and he told me that on the weekends he doesnít gig he acutely notices how he has to withdraw money for fuel costs and small grocery shops through the following week instead of being able to draw on the relatively small amount of cash he would have gotten from pub gigs.
Being paid, very underrated.
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Old 06-15-2018, 04:52 PM
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That's what I was thinking! Sounds win/win to me.
I guess my take was "If they weren't very good, and rejected me, I must really suck..I know, glass half empty..

When I think "pocket" I think guys like Porcaro, Purdie, Benny Benjamin, etc who can really lock down a tempo, and use a smart approach to fills, thats what I aspire to,..Unfortunately, the more I watch Youtube, the more I think people are attracted to flashier players like Peart, Portnoy, and Carter Beaufort
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I wouldn't sweat it. Enjoy the experience and move on. Drumming is fun.

I auditioned for some guys in an old warehouse once. Ran through all the songs - they didn't give me a setlist for the audition. I thought it went all right. Get an email from them a week later that they were going to keep looking. No prob. A couple months later I'm speaking to a drummer buddy who is a great drummer, he'd been out to audition too. Fast forward A YEAR, they email me back, they couldn't find anyone and would I be interested in a second go at it. lol. In a year, no one met their standards. Every drummer in a 100km radius must have been out to audition, and no one was good enough. lolol. Some guys are just weird.

I've learned a few things in auditioning for bands over the last few years.
1. If they say they have a kit, bring yours anyways. Even if it stays in the car, I can't count the number of times 'the kit' looked like they found them on the side of the road.

2. "Here's our setlist, learn the first 5 songs." This is a lie. It takes 15 minutes to run the songs, then they will invariably say, ok lets keep going and run the rest of the list. Now, if I'm interested in the band, I'm going to learn every single song on the list, and make notes for anything tricky. it's fun to play new stuff anyways, so I do my homework. They don't have to be perfect, but nail the start and end.

3. Be on time. (arrival)

4. just be yourself. It can be nerve wracking, it's almost like a job interview. Most of the time, personality is a bigger factor than your playing, so just try to be yourself.

5. Play at home for an hour before you go, so you'll be nice and loose.

I went for almost a year and a 1/2 auditioning for bands and couldn't catch a break, and it was ripping up my confidence to no end. Slowly I learned these tips the hard way. Now I've been gigging steady in a band for 3 years, and I'm the backup for 6 other bands. Go to jams, get out and play and meet people. It'll come around and you'll find the right fit for you.
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Old 06-16-2018, 04:12 AM
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You've gotten some great advice already, but I'll add my 2-cents anyway.

I've been auditioning/playing in bands for about 40 years and have learned to not take it personally when I'm not chosen. Last year I auditioned for a band that I thought was pretty good (not great) and they didn't choose me. I thought I played well, but obviously they found someone else they preferred.

Then I auditioned for another band that was much better and I thought possibly a little out of my league, and they were almost begging me to join. Sometimes, their decision-making process goes beyond your playing (if they have multiple players auditioning that are good), and take many other factors into consideration including your personality, stage presence, reliability (not easy to predict), and maybe your gear.

Don't look back and keep auditioning ...
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Old 06-16-2018, 07:24 AM
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Many times.

I've come to realize much of why I was rejected is they don't have their own (bleep) together and rejecting me is just an excuse to cover up their own issues.

In most cases, said band broke up soon after.

The rest, well, they were still looking for a drummer months later (because apparently, no one on earth is right person) then they broke up.
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Old 06-16-2018, 11:15 AM
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A band that sucks usually think they're great, & be constantly searching for a drummer that makes them sound even better. Of course, no matter how good the drummer is, that's not going to happen, but they'll blame that on the person auditioning before they'll ever question their own performance.
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Old 06-23-2018, 08:25 PM
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it's funny. Some people actually think somebody that sucks is great, especially if they suck themselves,(which they usually do), or their buddy that played with them before did, so that's the level they're familiar with. A lot of the time somebody that sucks plays better with others that suck than a truly great player. Kind of like a shaky train ride that stays on the tracks, but becomes a wreck when a sufficient player comes into the mix and upsets the slop cart. So, you may not have played well with them simply because you were above their level. Those that suck typically only listen to themselves, and want you to follow everything they do, (which can be impossible if your time is good and theirs is terrible), so trying to reel them in can make them feel their inadequacies.
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Old 06-24-2018, 10:49 AM
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I got rejected for a band and they instead picked a drummer who had no sense of dynamics, essentially played the same groove in every song, and fell apart coming out of fills.

I didn't take it personally because I felt like they made themselves weaker as a band by picking him and it wasn't my problem.
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it's funny. Some people actually think somebody that sucks is great, especially if they suck themselves,(which they usually do), or their buddy that played with them before did, so that's the level they're familiar with. A lot of the time somebody that sucks plays better with others that suck than a truly great player. Kind of like a shaky train ride that stays on the tracks, but becomes a wreck when a sufficient player comes into the mix and upsets the slop cart. So, you may not have played well with them simply because you were above their level. Those that suck typically only listen to themselves, and want you to follow everything they do, (which can be impossible if your time is good and theirs is terrible), so trying to reel them in can make them feel their inadequacies.
How oversized would your ego have to be for you to reject a drummer with better time because he had BETTER TIME?
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How oversized would your ego have to be for you to reject a drummer with better time because he had BETTER TIME?
that was my point. Maybe they don't think he has better time, because they may think someone with better time isn't as good because they don't play well with them. And, I'm sure there are bands out there that are terrible, but think they're bad ass. Delusion runs deep in some people.
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Well sounds like they just want to try and play for fun-and little effort. You ever think about they may have loved your drumming and just realized you maybe too talented for their agenda and effort -and that you would likely quit cause even they recognize they suck. Nothing wrong with sucking-though the goal should be not to. It's like a blind squirrel finding a nut-cause even a sucky band can screw around and sound great sometimes. I would have already forgotten about it.
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