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Old 07-17-2014, 01:47 AM
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I was just wondering why did they start making deeper depth bass drums like 18 inches deep?Me i like 14 inch depth bass drums much better response.I loved those 3 ply ones from the 60s and 70s.
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Old 07-17-2014, 02:07 AM
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I was just wondering why did they start making deeper depth bass drums like 18 inches deep?
The perception was that deeper drums produce more bottom end. That's both correct & incorrect in equal measure, with multiple variables/caveats applied to both perspectives.
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Old 07-17-2014, 02:23 AM
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They wanted to increase the chances that drummers would smash their hands when navigating through a narrow doorway ;)
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Old 07-17-2014, 03:49 AM
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If X is good, X + 4 is better. Marketing, as it is, says that if you want to introduce something that's different than the other guy - make it bigger. Once bigger is desired, everyone else has to copy.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:33 AM
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The perception was that deeper drums produce more bottom end. .
^ This.

And visually, it looked nicer on MTV.

Alex Van Halen, Greg Bissonette (when he was with David Lee Roth) and some others started having two bass drum shells attached to each other to make super long bass drums because it looked cool on TV and on stage.

Making and shipping super long bass drums perhaps wasn't so economically practical at the time, but adding a few more inches to get the bass drums out to 18" was a good way to take advantage of the trend, and then it just sort of stuck.
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:17 AM
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They wanted to increase the chances that drummers would smash their hands when navigating through a narrow doorway ;)
Only a problem for drummers who deny their drums the cases they so richly deserve. It's the drums getting their own back - drums speaking -"now you know what it feels like, punk"!
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Old 07-21-2014, 05:48 PM
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I'm always amazed that some (marketing) folk think that cannon bass drums look better. The opposite is true in my case. I think narrower drums look better. Either way non-drummers won't be able to tell.

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Old 07-21-2014, 06:11 PM
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I'm always amazed that some (marketing) folk think that cannon bass drums look better.
I'd much rather the bass drum sounds like a cannon than looks like one ;)
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Old 07-21-2014, 06:30 PM
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They have to change stuff so they can sell us more stuff. Doesn't mean it is better , it only means it is different then the previous stuff and thus makes us want to buy more stuff.
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Old 07-21-2014, 06:45 PM
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Only a problem for drummers who deny their drums the cases they so richly deserve. It's the drums getting their own back - drums speaking -"now you know what it feels like, punk"!
True! But when you put those bass drums in hard cases, then you couldn't get them through a door!

Although I have an 18x22 cheapie Export on my rental kit, I stay 16" and less on width these days.
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Old 07-21-2014, 06:47 PM
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Sound-wise, I like all sorts of depth bass drums.
I like the look of a deep bass drum on SOME kits.

I've never had anything but great sound (quickly & easily) from my deeper bass drums live, and they've recorded amazingly well.
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Old 07-21-2014, 07:32 PM
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Deep bass drums are pretty much post 70's right. What has happened is 'bottom end' (or perceived bottom end Andy?) seems to have grown in most pop forms of music through the 80's to now. Music is very much produced/mixed that way for decades. Everybody wants to hear that.

and ya they've been marketing 'size matters' in all kinds of ads that have to do with the human anatomy for decades.

Personally I will not buy a bass drum that's 18 inches deep, no matter how good a deal. Its just a hassle in other ways.
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Old 07-21-2014, 07:55 PM
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I always laugh at people who say "more is better". As I tell my students, no one says "Gee, I wish I had more cancer."

But, if you like the way it sounds, it doesn't matter if the kick is 12" deep or 32" deep.
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In the 80's/90's, a few things happened.

1: CD's became available, allowing for greater dynamic range than Vinyl and Cassette.
2: Consumer audio devices became more capable in terms of power, especially in the lower price ranges.
3: Music (and the instruments used to make it) changed to take advantage of this.

To me, deep bass drums are really no different than 5 string basses and 7 string guitars.
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Old 07-21-2014, 08:32 PM
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I would if there were more options of shallower bass drum sizes! Part of the problem is almost every manufacturer has jumped on this silly bandwagon and leave very little in the way of shallow bass drums.
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I like 14" deep for a 22" bass drum. It follows the Golden Proportion Ratio.
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To me, deep bass drums are really no different than 5 string basses and 7 string guitars.
That makes literally no sense. The comparison would be larger amounts of drums, and even that's a bad analogue.
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They wanted to increase the chances that drummers would smash their hands when navigating through a narrow doorway ;)
That's funny...........
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In the 80's/90's, a few things happened.

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2: Consumer audio devices became more capable in terms of power, especially in the lower price ranges.
3: Music (and the instruments used to make it) changed to take advantage of this.

To me, deep bass drums are really no different than 5 string basses and 7 string guitars.
Extended range instruments... extend the range. Do deep bass drums go lower in tone? Or is it a question of increased resonance?

I'm still trying to figure out what the deal is with putting snare drums (etcetera) INSIDE the bass drum... extra noise? Ambience? More rattle and hum? What?
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:26 AM
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I would go ahead and say, because us as players are always looking for new sounds and love experimenting with the new stuff. I always used a 16" deep bass drum, until I was introduced to the 18" deep bass drum. Absolutely still love it. It packs the right amount of punch and drive. My practice kit has a 14" deep bass drum, which I like for the home kit, but for my touring kit, I need to have the chest pounding punches....
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Old 07-25-2014, 01:39 AM
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I'm still trying to figure out what the deal is with putting snare drums (etcetera) INSIDE the bass drum... extra noise? Ambience? More rattle and hum? What?
Is that really a thing?

Personally don't care for the extended bass drums. I like the tone of a shallow bass and I much prefer the look. Something just unsettlingly phallic about the Van Halen/Travis Barker bass drum. Also I think it looks dated.
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Old 07-25-2014, 02:32 AM
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To me, deep bass drums are really no different than 5 string basses and 7 string guitars.
Gah! Now you done got my hackles up!

I recently ditched my 2nd floor Tom in response to a 5 string bass. Our bass player just switched to guitar (with only 6 strings, thankfully) but I'm kinda digging the 4 piece - with a 14x24 kick.
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:17 AM
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i used to work at a drum shop and we would make kits (keller and world max stuff. sounded great though) and someone ordered a 36"x 20". i remember thinking it sound really dumb but i cant remember anymore how it actually sounded. i instantly hated the way it looked.

I'm sure its a combination of companies wanting to sell more stuff and also that they can make the 18" depth so why not do it.

I like the 18" depth for metal and such. it's pretty aggressive and punchy. i've been playing a 3 ply Ludwig 14"x24" for a while which i love but i would describe it as more boxy than my 18"x22". but there's so much different about the two drums that I cant say the only difference is their size. so as always, take this with a grain of salt.
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