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Old 11-29-2017, 01:10 AM
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So my USA Custom kit came with a 9x12 rack tom, but being a traditionalist, I prefer a 9x13 if I'm gonna have a 16x16 floor tom.

I managed to find a 1970 Gretsch 9x13 tom complete, and handed it over to my drum rebuilder and he patched the unnecessary holes, checked the edges and re-covered the drum in Twilight Glitter nitro wrap. Here are the before and after shots. I am a happy camper!
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Old 11-29-2017, 01:19 AM
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Does it match well? No pics of it setup?
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Old 11-29-2017, 01:45 AM
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Looks great, Bo!........................
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:06 AM
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Outstanding, quality job. You must be really pleased.
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Old 11-29-2017, 02:07 AM
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Does it match well? No pics of it setup?
The wrap is an exact match, I got samples before ordering. Iíll post pics tonight.
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Outstanding, quality job. You must be really pleased.
Cheers
It helps having a drum builder I can call on to do this stuff. If I could get more of this wrap, Iíd have a 14x22 bass drum made to match to get a total vintage vibe going, but alas, thereís no more of the wrap for a while.
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Old 11-29-2017, 03:32 PM
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Looks fantastic!

Its great when you find a drum restoration/builder/fixer - shall we call them drum luthiers ? ....

The inside of the shell looks black in the 'before' picture - is that just the picture ?
Also, wondering if you opted to not install a mount, guessing this one will live in a snare basket ?
So many questions :)

And oh, my yes - a 14x22 in this finish would be a fantastic addition!
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the inside is Gretsch silver sealer and some shadows. Re-finish looks fantastic.
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Old 11-29-2017, 05:49 PM
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Looks fantastic!

Its great when you find a drum restoration/builder/fixer - shall we call them drum luthiers ? ....

The inside of the shell looks black in the 'before' picture - is that just the picture ?
Also, wondering if you opted to not install a mount, guessing this one will live in a snare basket ?
So many questions :)

And oh, my yes - a 14x22 in this finish would be a fantastic addition!
Yeah, it's standard Gretsch silver sealer. The pic does make it look darker than normal. My drum re-builder patched the holes made for the old internal mufflers, and there were two holes left by a classic Ludwig tom mount bracket. He also said the ply around the Ludwig holes were lifting a bit, so he got glue in there to fix those up as well. The original Gretsch paper label is still inside the drum too. For now, yes, this will live in a snare basket. If I ever want to mount it, Gretsch still uses the standard RIMS mounts.

And I did manage to find a guy who has a 1980s 14x22 Gretsch bass drum in a walnut lacquer - another orphan. But I thought it smarter to call Jammin Sams on the wrap availability and he said he probably won't see any for the next year since it's not that popular and more expensive than other wraps. Bummer. It's ok though. My plan is to enjoy these the way they are now. 18x22 isn't so bad and on this drum I think it does sound good, whereas when I had other 18x22's (namely, the DW Collector's) the drum sounded a bit too boomy and out-of-control. This Gretsch doesn't seem to do that, which is cool.
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Does it match well? No pics of it setup?
The other drums are red.
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As promised- here's some photos of the new drum with the rest of the kit. The Rootbeer Glitter wrap is an exact match of Gretsch's Twilight Glitter Nitron wrap. The kit feels more traditional with that 9x13 tom as opposed to the 9x12, and the drum itself fits in well with the rest of them sonically. Check it out!
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:22 AM
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Looks really fantastic, Bo!!

Can I come over and play?
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:28 AM
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Looks really good.

But on my computer, in every picture, the floor tom looks black, and the bass and mounted tom looks silver/grayish.

Cold just be a lighting trick or something though.
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:53 AM
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Looks really good.

But on my computer, in every picture, the floor tom looks black, and the bass and mounted tom looks silver/grayish.

Cold just be a lighting trick or something though.
It is the lighting. I put a flash on my dslr and had it pointed up at ceiling - so things farther away look darker, but what is lit is nice and even.
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Old 11-30-2017, 04:58 AM
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Beautiful! Love the finish.
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my USA Custom kit came with a 9x12 rack tom
That's actually a great size. I prefer 8x12, but 9x12 is probably even better. I would have gotten a 10x13 and used both together.
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Old 11-30-2017, 05:17 AM
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Looks almost as good as my kit. Way to go, Bo!
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Very cool man. I like it.
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Old 11-30-2017, 06:15 AM
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That's actually a great size. I prefer 8x12, but 9x12 is probably even better. I would have gotten a 10x13 and used both together.
Perhaps. But although Iíve played 2-up kits a lot, Iím never really comfortable due to my height. And Iím at this point where I just want to be comfortable, and much of what I play can be played with NO toms.
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Old 11-30-2017, 06:55 AM
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That turned out super nice Bo.
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I can't believe how perfectly the wrap matched! Where did you get the round badge? Or do I want to know...
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I can't believe how perfectly the wrap matched! Where did you get the round badge? Or do I want to know...
The badge came off of the 9x12.
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Excellent match on the wrap. Good job.
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...nice job...sound?...
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Old 11-30-2017, 10:34 PM
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The video is next. I should charge for this feature.
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Perhaps. But although I’ve played 2-up kits a lot, I’m never really comfortable due to my height.
Simon Phillips is 5' 3" and he plays 24" bass drums, with 10x7, 12x9, 13x10, 14x11, 15x12, and 16x13 toms. Come on man!
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Old 12-01-2017, 08:32 AM
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Simon Phillips is 5' 3" and he plays 24" bass drums, with 10x7, 12x9, 13x10, 14x11, 15x12, and 16x13 toms. Come on man!
Some guys really take to it, I suppose. But Simon would never be asked to play Mustang Sally.

That's great for him. The rest of us mortals, well....
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Some guys really take to it, I suppose. But Simon would never be asked to play Mustang Sally.

That's great for him. The rest of us mortals, well....
First time I saw Simon live, he actually stood from time to time in order to reach the toms when he would do a big fill starting at his highest tom.
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Bo, do you find the 13" more difficult to tune than a 12"? Or is that sort of a myth? I like the idea of a 13" over a 12". Drum looks great btw.
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Bo, do you find the 13" more difficult to tune than a 12"? Or is that sort of a myth? I like the idea of a 13" over a 12". Drum looks great btw.
That’s myth, 13 over 16 is easy to tune appart. Maybe the best, i agree with Bo; I have played 13 14 16 : that was tricky and took longer.

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Old 12-02-2017, 12:27 AM
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Thanks, I never understood why it would be harder to tune. I just never owned a 13".
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:46 AM
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Bo, do you find the 13" more difficult to tune than a 12"? Or is that sort of a myth? I like the idea of a 13" over a 12". Drum looks great btw.
Personally, I don't find any drum to tune harder than others, size-wise. And in this context, where there's just the 13" and 16", it's just a matter of finding the tone that sings well without causing too much snare buzz.

I can imagine if you had a slew of toms then that might be difficult as you could be putting any one of the drums out of its comfort zone to make it fit within the desired scale of pitches - this is probably why the 2" difference between drums would make sense. But I've seen a lot of guys with two 12s, or two 13s, or one-inch of a difference between, and have heard drums that don't sound like they belong in a set. This is why I think single-headed concert toms excel at this, as made popular by Hal Blaine. They all sound like pitched timbales ;)

But then you hear Tony Williams doing a melodic solo using 13/14 rack toms, and 14/16/18 floor toms, and the idea of total separation gets thrown out the window!
Check him out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTUBecbl7Gs
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Looks fantastic, Bo. Your drum luthier deserves a nice christmas gift.
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Hey! Is it catching on ? Is this a thing?
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And hereís a video of the sound. I put regular pinstripes on the toms and the snare has a Powerstroke 4. Iím loving it!

https://youtu.be/-PyPE_Qck8w
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And here’s a video of the sound. I put regular pinstripes on the toms and the snare has a Powerstroke 4. I’m loving it!

https://youtu.be/-PyPE_Qck8w
Just like it was meant to be.

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Only if you make the drum yourself, like Andy does.
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But then you hear Tony Williams doing a melodic solo using 13/14 rack toms, and 14/16/18 floor toms, and the idea of total separation gets thrown out the window!
Check him out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTUBecbl7Gs

Wow : that's so good, thanks for posting this.
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