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Old 01-16-2018, 10:35 PM
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Hello everyone.

It's certain that not everyone can afford a Supraphonic or Black Beauty. A lot of people have a lower budget of maybe around 250 dollars for a snare, so let's help these people (including me). It would be helpful to write personal reviews for cheaper snare drums, comparisons and usual used pricing (sometimes we have no clue whether a snare should cost x amount).

So I hope you help us drummers with a lower budget with your experience and thoughts.
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Old 01-16-2018, 10:48 PM
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Tama Soundworks Maple $199. I gig with this snare all the time.

Used Acrolite you can get a mint like new one for $199 and sometimes even less.
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Old 01-16-2018, 10:53 PM
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I think most steel snares are under $200.
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Old 01-16-2018, 10:54 PM
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Tama Starclassic Performer\Birch... 5.5" x 14". Usually run between $200 and $250...sometimes less.

Rogers Powertone COB. I have seen this for less than $250 at Guitar Center. Personal favorite and imho one of the best snare drums ever made.

Then there is my dDrum Maple 5.5" x 14" that I paid $47.00 for.... But sometimes you just get lucky.
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:34 AM
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Mapex black panther, black widow. Maple shell, decent hardware, you can get em used for under £100. I paid £40 for mine with die-cast hoops but I got lucky.

Versatile, built like a tank, tunes high or low really well. Bargain!
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:42 AM
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But which one's are good, versus the dogs?

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Old 01-17-2018, 01:56 AM
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I paid £150 for a used Ludwig LM400.
I had to replace the strainer and the heads but otherwise it has been amazingly good value.
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Old 01-17-2018, 03:08 AM
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Does free count? I got this one when I bought a bunch of misc. hardware for $100---no badge 14 x 6.5 wood shell, fairly sharp 45 degree bearing edges, perfect beds with gradual sloping ends, 2.3mm hoops, smooth operating throw-off, and fine thread tension rods. Sounds great at any tuning, tunes easily, and holds tune perfectly. Aquarian High energy over Classic Clear with Gibraltar 20-strand wires. I spent my $250 on a couple of nice crashes!

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Tama has a steel 13X6.5 I'd like to try out. I think it's called Sonic steel.
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Old 01-17-2018, 07:50 AM
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In that price range you can't go wrong with the Pork Pie BOB (or WorldMax equivalent) or a used Acrolite (preferably from the 60s).
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I got a used Black Galaxy Acrolite for $119 bucks, in great shape! It sounds great even with the stock Ludwig heads on it, and it quickly became my main snare! If you see a cheap Acrolite, don’t pass it up! These have the same aluminum shells used in the Supraphonics, but are a little drier sounding and just about half the price.
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I got a used Black Galaxy Acrolite for $119 bucks, in great shape! It sounds great even with the stock Ludwig heads on it, and it quickly became my main snare! If you see a cheap Acrolite, don’t pass it up! These have the same aluminum shells used in the Supraphonics, but are a little drier sounding and just about half the price.
And if you can find a Standard aluminium snare, jump on that too. Like having an Acrolite, but a little more special and unique.
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Old 01-17-2018, 08:02 AM
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On Ebay you can find Taye StudioMaple snare drums for less than $200, and they are excellent snare drums!
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How are Yamaha stage custom steel snares? Cost like 110 bucks in my region and seems pretty nice.
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How are Yamaha stage custom steel snares? Cost like 110 bucks in my region and seems pretty nice.
I've played that one lots and it's definitely a good workhorse snare. Just buy it and be done with it!

And everybody: Remember that the OP lives in Europe, which means he'll be looking at ~$400 for a beaten down, used Acro... Acrolite sellers over here know what they are peddling.

And anyway, threads like this is not the place for bragging about the rare deal you once got.
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I paid £150 for a used Ludwig LM400.
I had to replace the strainer and the heads but otherwise it has been amazingly good value.
It's all about getting lucky with 2nd hand.

I paid £100 for a 402 (Bowtie lugs). Got a 400 COB for £92, probably £150 after shipping and customs.

You'll get an acrolite for next to nothing or a Pearl Sensitone, Premier 2000 etc.

US ebay is the way to go. Even after shipping and customs it's cheaper that buying used in Europe.

Another thumbs up for the Black Panther, they go under the radar as well.
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Old 01-17-2018, 01:24 PM
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I have two under-250 snares:
Tama Silverstar Snare (14x05 Birch): Great crack and tone, but I feel it lacks body and it isn't the most versatile head. Being a medium-thin shallow shell, I only use a single ply coated ambassador, which plays really nice. It has the dryness associated with birch and I really enjoy playing it at medium-high tension (if I need a lower sound, I just put on a towel or an old head on top);
Pearl Chad Smith Signature (14x05 Steel): Huge snare, despite the shallowness. It will be noticed, I assure you. It costed me 150€ plus shipping, but my god, it is loud. I equiped it with a Genera Dry, cranked it up and I feel like Stewart Copeland (except for the playing part ;) ). It is a great snare for the Chad Smith style of playing (hard but with ghost notes and some snare chops) and as I referred, it serves as a somewhat cheaper alternative to the Tama SC signature. It is more versatile than the latter, but it has way more ringing. I would say it works best with high tension, but without chocking the drum, ofc.
Yeah, I play shallow snares, and one day, if I need I will get a Tama Maple SLP 2nd hand snare for lower tensions. But I'm currently on the cranked up train, and I really hate tom sounding, over-compressed snares. The sound of the snare cutting through is just eargasmic for me, but it is not everyone's cup of tea, obviously.

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How are Yamaha stage custom steel snares? Cost like 110 bucks in my region and seems pretty nice.
Another thumbs up for this snare. Great value for money, in my opinion. I've changed the heads and snare wire and used it for a bunch of gigs and rehearsals.
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Old 01-17-2018, 02:51 PM
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And the Acro has an internal muffler. It's a shame new snares don't have mufflers anymore.

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I got a used Black Galaxy Acrolite for $119 bucks, in great shape! It sounds great even with the stock Ludwig heads on it, and it quickly became my main snare! If you see a cheap Acrolite, don’t pass it up! These have the same aluminum shells used in the Supraphonics, but are a little drier sounding and just about half the price.
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Old 01-17-2018, 04:32 PM
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I love snares that don´t cost an arm and a leg, so here´s my list of currently availabe affordable (around 200 euros) snares I have actually played:

Tama SLP 14x8 steel - fat, sensitive, punchy without being overbearing.
Pearl 13x3 brass shell piccolo - sounds much bigger than it is and works very well in lower-than-typical tunings.
Gretsch 14x6,5 Retro Luxe - very sensitive and crisp, wide tuning range.

I own all of these and wouldn´t hesitate to gig with them.

What I´ve tried and liked:

Pearl Modern Utility 14x6,5 maple
Sonor Essential Force 14x5,5 birch
Pearl Sensitone 14x5,5 steel
Gretsch Silver Ash 13x7
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My own two "dumpster finds"

1971 Ludwig Standard snare (Same shell as Acrolite without the bead)
Remo Piccolo 14x3 (Had to replace all the lugs as they had stripped - $50)

Otherwise in new or nearly new

Gary Noonan (www.noonandrums.com) - Based in England.
"JR" model Steel 14x5 or Brass 14x5

Pearl Sensitone, or their new utility models
Pork Pie "BOB" Black Brass 14x6.5

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If you didn't understand this thread isn't about rare finds on craigslist or lucky finds. It's about new and used snares you can actually find at normal prices.
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My previous post was meant to point out that you don't have to buy a name brand to get a great snare. Proper head selection, and the ability to tune is FAR more important than what badge is on it. Sorry for the confusion.
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Old 01-17-2018, 09:40 PM
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Remember that the OP lives in Europe, which means he'll be looking at ~$400 for a beaten down, used Acro... Acrolite sellers over here know what they are peddling..
Yes, as a Brit I always wonder what people mean when they say acrolites are cheap - see this for an example of what we in the UK think of when we see acrolites on ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/14-X-6-5-...AAAOSwMqBaX5g3

Good, perhaps. Cheap? NO!!!!
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I play quite some Pearl Export snares when teaching in different schools, and I must say I like how they sound, especially given the entry level quality!
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Well, there's cheap and then there's CHEAP. Top snare is my trusty travel companion - 1981 Premier Model 1005, COS. Paid 100 bucks including shipping, hard plastic case and rudimentary stand.

Various similar "Now Out of Favor" steel snares typically run 50-100 dollars plus post. They sound great and you won't cry if the drunk bass player puts his foot through it!

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Used Mapex Black Panther snares. Not hard to find, excellent build quality and sound.
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I have a cheap steel Sonor snare that came with my first entry level kit (which was probably third or fourth-hand when I bought it), and it always sounds good. It's never let me down.
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It's the only snare that came with a kit that I still use.
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Mapex Black Panther or their Mapex MPX line offer good value.
The new Pearl Utility line have grabbed my attention. I haven’t played one but they appear to do what it says on the tin, one finish, no gimmicks, low price.
If you see a Stagg Jia snare, snap it up. Maple shell, die cast hoops, excellent quality but all “tainted” by the reputation of the Stagg starter kits that you see. This is no starter drum.
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Used Remo Mastertouch and Masteredge drums. The lug hardware has the whiff of pressed steel about it but I had a 13” one once that predictably I wish I’d kept.
1980s Premier steel snares like Peedy’s 1005 mentioned earlier as well as other models. Many people in the UK in the 80s when choosing between a Premier APK kit or a Pearl Export were swayed by the steel snare drum that came with the APK as it was a differentiator between the two.
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Mapex Black Panther or their Mapex MPX line offer good value.
The new Pearl Utility line have grabbed my attention. I haven’t played one but they appear to do what it says on the tin, one finish, no gimmicks, low price.
If you see a Stagg Jia snare, snap it up. Maple shell, die cast hoops, excellent quality but all “tainted” by the reputation of the Stagg starter kits that you see. This is no starter drum.
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Used Remo Mastertouch and Masteredge drums. The lug hardware has the whiff of pressed steel about it but I had a 13” one once that predictably I wish I’d kept.
1980s Premier steel snares like Peedy’s 1005 mentioned earlier as well as other models. Many people in the UK in the 80s when choosing between a Premier APK kit or a Pearl Export were swayed by the steel snare drum that came with the APK as it was a differentiator between the two.
Agree about the Mapex MPX line.
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And if you can find a Standard aluminium snare, jump on that too. Like having an Acrolite, but a little more special and unique.
Yep.
I paid $100 for mine and it's near mint. However, the word's been out on the Standard and Acrolite for a while and their prices have risen accordingly.
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So "good, cheap" snares as in what drum companies offer at a low price, or just cheap snares that sound good?

I've worked on a Sound Percussion snare and got it sounding really good. You can get those all day for $70.

I've had Premier snares that I couldn't get sounding good if my life depended on it.
So I guess it's all a matter of what's considered "Cheap".
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So "good, cheap" snares as in what drum companies offer at a low price, or just cheap snares that sound good?

I've worked on a Sound Percussion snare and got it sounding really good. You can get those all day for $70.

I've had Premier snares that I couldn't get sounding good if my life depended on it.
So I guess it's all a matter of what's considered "Cheap".
Any snare under 250 dollars that sounds better than St Anger
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Another vote for the Pearl Modern Utility snare, new.

Good snare out of the box, responds well to upgrades (heads, wires etc.) and can sound GREAT with a little work.
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Yamaha Stage Custom 10 lug steel snare drum @Guitar center for $149.

When on sale they are $99 bucks.

I can't think of anything bad to say about it.

It does everything well.

The wood ones sound just as good.
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If you didn't understand this thread isn't about rare finds on craigslist or lucky finds. It's about new and used snares you can actually find at normal prices.
I'll vote for Tama Soundworks snares which are very good for the money. Mostly under $200.

Mine (maple) came with Evans Genera heads as standard. Well built, and it sounds great!
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Tama Swingstar and other seamless steel shells, same as the Mastercraft/King Beat snares, but under $100 at times and different (cheaper) lugs/hoops/strainers.

Tama Starclassic wood snares. Mine was $120 shipped.

Pearl Artisan II exotic wrap snares can be had cheap, I've sold two of the 100% birch models for double what I paid.

Older Mapex Deluxe.
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Pork Pie Little Squealer 10 lug steel 6.5 x 14.
Was not looking for a snare but got one with some other drum stuff from a local sale. Quite sensitive and punches way above its price point (about $140 eBay).
I'd agree lots of cheap snares can sound good if you know what wires and heads and tuning to go with.
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