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Old 10-12-2018, 08:16 PM
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Default Tuning/head tips for snare-tom

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So, on a whim, I bought the new Tama SLP Duo 1410" snare drum/floor tom as I am a huge fan of Snarky Puppy.

And while I can make the drum sound pretty great as either a snare or a floor tom, I am at a loss trying to find a tuning that will work as both, switching between them by just engaging the strainer.

When tuning it like I normally would a 14" floor tom, it naturally sounds like a wet cloth with the snares engaged. It came with an Evans PCRD head which is pretty stupid for a tom head so I replaced it with an Emperor I had lying around. It has an Evans 300 snare side head as a reso, but this should work for a tom, shouldn't it?

How would you go about trying to make this drum work both as a snare and a floor tom with the flick of a switch? I want it to have a lower tone than my 12" rack tom as I have it on my right, like Sput and Larnell.

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Old 10-12-2018, 08:58 PM
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Congrats on the new drum! I have not played one of these, but do have some 8" deep snares that I like to tune to extremes. For me, to get both a high crack & low down tom=like tones I like heads that are somewhat heavy like the Evans Onyx and Remo P4 Coated. I can get them low enough that it can sound tom-like without sounding papery. And, of course, they will tune up for a nice crack as well.
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Old 10-12-2018, 09:22 PM
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Thanks for the tips DW. I have no experience with either of those heads, could be time to try one. But you still use a thin "snare side" head for the reso, right?

Meanwhile I found a tuning that sort of works: 160 hz lug tuning on the batter and 210 hz on the reso (using the TuneBot). Another problem is that with such a loose reso head, you can only tighten the snares so much before they start to rattle from heavy hits when disengaged... So now the whole drum buzzes like crazy, but at least I got a usable tom and snare sound without changing the tuning between them.

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Old 10-12-2018, 10:03 PM
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Yes, still use the thin snare side heads. A regular studio ring can also allow you to tune more dramatically without losing some ooomph. It will also tame the snare wire response.

Also, just remembered the Aquarian Hi-performance snare side head. It had some coating where the wires meet the head, which will also tame the errant wire rattling.
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This should help get you in the ballpark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYvcTL8v9jI

BTW- PCRD makes perfect sense as a tom head too. It's essentially the Evans version of a coated Remo Controlled Sound (Black Dot) head. The added mass in the center helps to focus the tone for a deeper sound, which aligns nicely with what you're talking about here.

Still, you may find that controlling the sustain with a bit of high end attenuation is more important with this particular setup so the Evans HD Dry would be a nice fit.
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This should help get you in the ballpark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYvcTL8v9jI

BTW- PCRD makes perfect sense as a tom head too. It's essentially the Evans version of a coated Remo Controlled Sound (Black Dot) head. The added mass in the center helps to focus the tone for a deeper sound, which aligns nicely with what you're talking about here.

Still, you may find that controlling the sustain with a bit of high end attenuation is more important with this particular setup so the Evans HD Dry would be a nice fit.
Thanks for the insight Ben, as you’ve helped me many times before. To me the PCRD is an archetypical snare head which tames highs and focusses the sound, so it just seemed very muffled compared to my G2 equipped tom array, so changing the batter head was the first thing that I tried. Maybe I should give it another chance..? I saw just now on a youtube video that Sput uses a blue Hydraulic head for his 14x10 snare-tom. Maybe it’s time to give that another chance as well..?


BTW, that vid was really educational, no just pertaining to my particular predicament. You guys make great videos!

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