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Old 01-16-2009, 08:24 PM
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Hi again Gavin! You may rembember that I earlier mentioned my broken left wrist? Well the cast has been taken of! I'm so stoked to be back on the drumchair. It's like drumming is much more fun than before! I spend a lot more time practising than before. Just great.. Well back the questioning:

1. I'm wondering if you have ever injured yourself so that you couldn't play for a period of time? Anyway, if you did how did you deal with getting back on drums? Maybe it was no problem at all?

2. My drumteacher in school gave me homework yesterday. We sat down and he showed me how to play "50 ways to leave your lover" by Steve Gadd. I have only played for about 1 year more or less, and I think it fits my skill. Well, my question is what you think about the song from a drum point of view. Is it (the verse groove) a good groove practising for coordination and such? I personally think that it was a bit tricky at first playing with my left hand (the previously broken) on the hi-hat. And i normaly don't work the hi-hat pedal in that way.. Well to sum it up I basicly just wanted to tell you that I think it's a very fun groove and wanted to hear your thoughts on that Gadd classic. :)

Good luck with the new PT album! Canīt barely wait! And keep on inspiring guys like me! Bye!
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Old 01-18-2009, 01:23 AM
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Hello Mr. Harrison,

I was introduced to Porcupine Tree, and your drumming, back in 2002 with the release of "In Absentia." I've been a huge fan of the band's music ever since, have seen you live three times (New York and Los Angeles) and am always impressed with your playing.

You've also had a tremendous influence on my nephew Aaron, who continues to play drums everyday, using PT's music as a guide, along with a variety of other bands and musicians.

I wanted to thank you for your contributions to the landscape of drumming. You've had a great impact on people you don't even know. Please consider yourself very blessed!

I also owe you an apology. In 2005, I had the pleasure of attending a show at Irving Plaza in New York City, (the "Deadwing" tour). I attended the show with a friend of mine at the time, PT's then mastering engineer Andy VanDette.

We were able to go backstage before the show to meet the band - an experience I've never forgotten. On the way in, I tripped over a pair of shoes, and turned back to see someone picking them up from the floor, looking a bit displeased. To make matters worse, I didn't have the courtesy to apologize, and went into another room to meet the band. I had the pleasure of meeting Steven Wilson, Richard Barbieri, and had a really nice conversation with Colin Edwin. I was looking around for you however, as you were the one I was most anxious to meet (and frankly, really didn't know what you looked like at the time).

It occurred to me, as the band went up on the stage, that it was your shoes that I tripped over, and it was you I was looking at picking them up.

As I've no way to personally apologize for my rudeness, I felt it would be best posted here. With that sir, I humbly apologize for that unfortunate event back in 2005. You guys played an awesome set that night, and I left the show on a real natural high. It, strangely, has always been hampered with the remembrance of tripping over your shoes, and my impoliteness thereafter. I humbly apologize to you for that.

You remain a true inspiration to me as a musician, playing in one of the greatest bands I've had the pleasure of listening to. I hope you continue on a successful career with PT, and I look forward to hearing more music from PT in the future.

To the other members of this forum, please excuse my rambling. Thanks for reading.

Kindest Regards,

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Old 01-18-2009, 04:07 PM
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Hi drumbumhamza

I'l be conducting a Polyrhythm workshop in a week and would like any drummer's comments on my notes (especially Mr. Harrison's).
If you find any mistakes please let me know.


I had a quick look through - but I haven't got the time to read it all carefully - also I find it very hard to read tabs. Nothing jumped out at me as wrong - but as I said I didn't spend a long time studying it.

Hi Paul Nasstrom

1. I'm wondering if you have ever injured yourself so that you couldn't play for a period of time? Anyway, if you did how did you deal with getting back on drums? Maybe it was no problem at all?

No (touch wood) I haven't injured myself so much that I couldn't play.

2. My drumteacher in school gave me homework yesterday. We sat down and he showed me how to play "50 ways to leave your lover" by Steve Gadd.

It's a great fun pattern to play - but bear in mind that it's really hard to play it accurately and really in time. The way to check that would be to play it and record it. When you listen back to it - just play along to your recording with hand to hand 16ths on the hi hat - and see if it feels ok to you. Of course it's also really worth practising it to a metronome.

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Old 01-18-2009, 05:26 PM
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Thanks a ton for your time...I'l be playing and explaining some of your parts (hope you dont mind).

I was wondering if you've had a chance to play the new Pearl Demondrive Pedals and if you've seen or heard about the new Danny Carey Signature 14x8 Bronze snare
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Old 01-19-2009, 08:27 PM
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Hello Mr Harrison it's a great pleasure to have the chance to chat directly with you. i(unfortunately) only discover PT just 2 months ago and i have to say that you rock my world!!!!!!. I've been playing drums on and off for about 17 years and for the last 14 years(i'm 35 now) i've been listening progressive kind of music but lately(5 years i think) i felt that something was missing. i started hearing Toto in my teens and then i heard a lot of music: trash, death, speed, power, etc and one day in a forum i heard about you and PT. of course Modern Drummer's award (i'm a portnoy fan but...) made my head turn toward you but was in december when i listened in Absentia and you turn on the light inside of me, you make practice again, and i have some questios for you.
How do you aproach your hi hat?(there's so much in your hi hat work than meets the ears!!!!)
What hi hat cymbals do you use?
any advice for timming? (i feel you precise but no mechanical at all!!!!!!!)
how do you develop your groove? it's insane my friend!!!(sorry to everybody but you bring Jeff Porcaro to my mind and i really love Mr Porcaro's playing)
i'm in awe with your chops to play ballads, rock, progressive, jazz. How do you acomplish that???
How do tou tune your drums (they sound completely amazing to me!!!)
After hear a lot of PT albums(specially those in which you play drums) my drum mates hear about you(of course i did that jeje) and they are charmed with your playing too.
Thanks for your playing and for be an inspirational player and person in other people's life!!!
I live in Colombia any chance of a live gig with PT?
thanks four your kindness(and sorry for my english), and thanks for make me love drums again and for show me a different aproach to them!!!! thanks for your music
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Old 01-19-2009, 09:27 PM
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Hi Gavin, Sorry to bother, but I have a question again. :)

I really love "no twilight between the courts of the sun" from Wilson's Inurgentes. It's probably my favourite on the entire album. One big reason I love it so much is the wicked groove in the intro and in all the other more mellow parts. I know I don't have chops enough to actually play it, but maybe if you could point out a few specific things about it maybe I could at least play along a little bit. So.. I'm not very good att counting odd times.. What time-signature is it in? Or do you have any other way of making it more clear how to play it?

Anyways, I reeeally love the drums in that song! Keep on inspiring, Gavin!
Thanks in advance!
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Old 01-19-2009, 10:06 PM
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Hi drumbumhamza

I was wondering if you've had a chance to play the new Pearl Demondrive Pedals and if you've seen or heard about the new Danny Carey Signature 14x8 Bronze snare

I haven't played or seen the Pearl pedals up close. I'm sure they feel good as the direct link (instead of a chain or strap) is the same kind of thing that Axis have been doing for years. I saw a photo of the Sonor Danny Carey snare drum - I haven't played one.

Hi rickpero

How do you aproach your hi hat?(there's so much in your hi hat work than meets the ears!!!!) What hi hat cymbals do you use?


I don't really know - it's obviously a very expressive part of the drumset and certainly one that can really define your sound and style. I spent a lot of time listening to Steve Gadd and Jeff Porcaro - and would try to emulate some of the things I heard them do with it.

any advice for timming? (i feel you precise but no mechanical at all!!!!!!!)
how do you develop your groove?


Yes - just spend your whole life working on it until it starts to sound good to you.

i'm in awe with your chops to play ballads, rock, progressive, jazz. How do you acomplish that???How do tou tune your drums (they sound completely amazing to me!!!)

I know you have a lot of questions and I don't want to bore other readers with the same old answers - so I suggest you have a search through this thread. When you are logged in - a new "search this thread" tool appears at the top of this page.

I live in Colombia any chance of a live gig with PT?


We have no plans to come to Columbia at the moment.

Hi Paul Nasstrom

I really love "no twilight between the courts of the sun" from Wilson's Inurgentes. It's probably my favourite on the entire album. What time-signature is it in? Or do you have any other way of making it more clear how to play it?

It's 21/8 but I was thinking of it as two bars of 4/4 followed by one bar of 5/8

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Old 01-20-2009, 07:02 PM
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Gavin -

I just picked up Steven Wilson's 'Insurgentes,' excellent work. I particularly like Harmony Korine and No Twilight Within the Courts of the Sun.

I just had a question about the drum tracks. On certain tracks it's obvious that you are playing, but on others it sounds almost like Steven is using samples of your drumkit for drum loops. Do you know if he did this at all or was it all your playing?
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Old 01-21-2009, 01:34 PM
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Hi Gavin,

I really enjoy how you put one, two or several-beat tom accents and patterns into your grooves.

Often they seem random, but they sound really nice.

I'd like to employ this approach more (when musically suitable), rather than just lay out straight hi-hat/snare and ride cymbal/snare grooves.

Clearly this comes from your fusion background and your interest in Steve Gadd etc.

How do you approach using your toms in grooves?

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Old 01-21-2009, 02:59 PM
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Hi NeuroAxis

I just picked up Steven Wilson's 'Insurgentes,' excellent work. On certain tracks it's obvious that you are playing, but on others it sounds almost like Steven is using samples of your drumkit for drum loops. Do you know if he did this at all or was it all your playing?

Yes Steve does have samples of my drums which I think are on tracks like "Forgiveness" other tracks let "Get All You Deserve" that's me playing. There's quite a lot of straight drumming on the album.

Hi supermac

I really enjoy how you put one, two or several-beat tom accents and patterns into your grooves. Often they seem random, but they sound really nice. How do you approach using your toms in grooves?

Yes I like doing that (as you do) to spice up a drum part or just throw in some random accents. I think you might like my new project with 05Ric - there's some good examples of that.

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Old 01-21-2009, 11:07 PM
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Yes I like doing that (as you do) to spice up a drum part or just throw in some random accents. I think you might like my new project with 05Ric - there's some good examples of that.
New demo is awesome! In MD interview you've said the drumming on Drop was the hardest thing you ever did. Are you raising the bar once more? ;))

Are you playing some additional instrument? I mean when you have ideas for new rhythms, do you just record the drum part, or play & write down music as well? I'm considering learning bass guitar, to be able to really get the grooves down. I think being a drummer and a bass guitarist is a golden combo. I just hope I'm not too much of an anti guitar talent... :P

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Yes Steve does have samples of my drums which I think are on tracks like "Forgiveness" other tracks let "Get All You Deserve" that's me playing. There's quite a lot of straight drumming on the album.
Sorry for my poor English (it's been awhile since my last class ;), you're not drumming to "Get All You Deserve"?
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Old 01-22-2009, 12:38 AM
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Hi Gavin,how're you?
i have a pair of questions for you.
1 - if i remember well, you usually put coated diplomat heads as tom's (and floor toms) bottom head.
can you explain me your choice?
2 - you bassdrum sound, especially on pasic video, is very hard, lot of attack and a little sustain.Is it an mixing effect?or is it caused by the drum head and something inside the drum?
what drumhead do you put on your bassdrum?

thanks a lot.
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Old 01-22-2009, 03:37 PM
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Hi miha

New demo is awesome! In MD interview you've said the drumming on Drop was the hardest thing you ever did. Are you raising the bar once more? ;))

I hope so!!!

Are you playing some additional instrument? I mean when you have ideas for new rhythms, do you just record the drum part, or play & write down music as well?


Yes I play bass and guitar - but not very well.

you're not drumming to "Get All You Deserve"?


sorry for the confusion - yes I play on that track.

Hi ItalianRicky

1 - if i remember well, you usually put coated diplomat heads as tom's (and floor toms) bottom head. can you explain me your choice?

For the past few years I actually prefer Remo Clear Ambassadors on the bottoms of the toms. I've tried all sorts of heads on the bottom - including snare reso heads - but finally I settled on the Ambassadors.

2 - you bassdrum sound, especially on pasic video, is very hard, lot of attack and a little sustain.Is it an mixing effect?or is it caused by the drum head and something inside the drum? what drumhead do you put on your bassdrum?

I have a large pillow in there - but please remember that you're hearing that PASIC bass drum is from a tiny camera mic about 10 metres away. I use the Remo Clear Powerstroke 3 on the batter side.

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New demo is awesome! In MD interview you've said the drumming on Drop was the hardest thing you ever did. Are you raising the bar once more? ;))

I hope so!!!
My favourite track so far is 'Sometime.' I've never heard a piece of music so beautifully written. Such a melodic and sad sounding track, -lovely tom work. Does 05ric do those eerie sounds on his bass? And is it pronounced Osric?

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My favourite track so far is 'Sometime.' I've never heard a piece of music so beautifully written. Such a melodic and sad sounding track, -lovely tom work. Does 05ric do those eerie sounds on his bass? And is it pronounced Osric?

-Trys
Same here, mate! "Sometime" is my favourite track too, one of the best there is, even. This one is pure emotion. You hardly notice the technical stuff, it's so overwhelming and everything fits so damn well. Just beautiful...
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Hi Gavin, just saying hi from Quebec in Canada!!, cant wait to see Porcupine Tree back in Quebec City , it was so nice(September 2007), i hope you'll play again in Quebec for the next north american tour once the next album goes out!

I have 2 questions:

First: On Vic firth website ive watched your whole interview videos and i must say they are very inspiring, on the video where you play Slippin' Away , on the first few seconds of the video what is the pattern your using between your hi hat and snare drum. I might be mistaken but is this a paradiddle didle? or some kind of six stroke roll? and what is the sticking (this remind me the paradiddle groove of Steve Gadd!)

Second: I know you mentioned (somewhere in this forum) that recording yourself while practicing was the best method to show how precise both your arms and legs were, since i cant find any of this type of recorder do you any software that could useful or any machine that could help me out ?


By the way, sorry for any messy grammar , im a french canadian! , and your truly an inspiration for me !

Cheers and Thanks!!!
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Old 01-24-2009, 02:08 PM
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Hi trysthedrummer,

Does 05ric do those eerie sounds on his bass? And is it pronounced Osric?

Yes he does - and it's pronounced oh-five-Ric.

Hi ProgJazzy(QC)

First: On Vic firth website ive watched your whole interview videos and i must say they are very inspiring, on the video where you play Slippin' Away , on the first few seconds of the video what is the pattern your using between your hi hat and snare drum. I might be mistaken but is this a paradiddle didle? or some kind of six stroke roll? and what is the sticking (this remind me the paradiddle groove of Steve Gadd!)

Yes it's very Gadd inspired - it's triplet 16ths in a pattern of 5/8 (here is the whole pattern repeated twice to make a bar of 5/4)

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the hard part is repeating that pattern over 8 bars of 4/4 and coming out the other side of it.

Second: I know you mentioned (somewhere in this forum) that recording yourself while practicing was the best method to show how precise both your arms and legs were, since i cant find any of this type of recorder do you any software that could useful or any machine that could help me out ?

I use Logic Pro on a Mac computer - but there are lots of computer recording software that (once you've recorded yourself) you can zoom into the wave shapes and see what's going on.

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That's ok then it's what I've been saying. Chearss.
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Hey Gavin,

I don't know if this question has been asked before, but how often/long do you practice, and what does it consist of?

Do you have any songs one where you play things like the bongos or djembes, etc.? I am interested in hearing them.

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some pages ago, you gave me a older photo about you with claudio baglioni.
I saw that you're using 4 crashes.
if i'm right you has 18 K crash and a 15" K crash on your right side, and a 17" crash in front\left position.the crash in the most left position was a 16"???
the drums in that photo is an yamaha recording custom?if you have some photos of claudio's era, can you post (or send) me some?I saw on some photos that your cymbal setup have changed many times in that years.Overall the splash position...and i wanna study your setups, and find some good solutions for my set,especially for cymbals. ;)
like always...thanks master!!
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Hey Gavin,
Lemme start by first saying that you rule! I have not seen creativity like yours since Bruford; it is very welcoming. I assume it is a total trip to play for crimson!
Anyhow, I live in California and I was wondering when or if PT is coming near here; I would love to see you guys in concert!
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Hi Gavin,

I finished the transcription of "Blackest Eyes".
I hope there are not too many mistakes.

( Bar 21 to 35: I think you play on a other snare drum, on the second "16nd note" of the third beat, but I'm not sure.)

Now, I'll try to transcribe "Nil Recurring".

Best wishes

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Hello

I can't see the picture of your Blackest Eyes transcription anymore.
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Old 01-26-2009, 02:07 PM
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Hi drummer girl09

I don't know if this question has been asked before, but how often/long do you practice, and what does it consist of?


I try to play everyday - and I'm lucky that I have my drums setup ready to go in my studio at home. I tend to practice concepts, coordination and timing exercises. I don't really do muscle exercises too much - occasionally on a pad just for a warm up. I like to improvise and try to create new ideas.

Do you have any songs one where you play things like the bongos or djembes, etc.? I am interested in hearing them.

I have played percussion on many tracks - but none that are a real feature.

Hi ItalianRicky

some pages ago, you gave me a older photo about you with claudio baglioni. I saw that you're using 4 crashes. if i'm right you has 18 K crash and a 15" K crash on your right side, and a 17" crash in front\left position.the crash in the most left position was a 16"???

If I remember correctly - from left to right it was : 17" 18" 16" 18"

the drums in that photo is an yamaha recording custom?

No, the snare drum is - the rest of that kit was Pearl. I took off my bells for that photo.

if you have some photos of claudio's era, can you post (or send) me some?I saw on some photos that your cymbal setup have changed many times in that years.Overall the splash position...and i wanna study your setups, and find some good solutions for my set,especially for cymbals. ;)

I don't think I have any more photos from Claudio's tours on my computer.

Hi pzimmerdrummer03

Anyhow, I live in California and I was wondering when or if PT is coming near here; I would love to see you guys in concert!

We have no definite dates yet - but I believe we will be out there sometime around September/October this year supporting our next record. The dates will be announced first at porcupinetree.com

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Old 01-27-2009, 05:32 PM
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Hi Gavin.. Congrats on making the front cover of Modern Drummer. Great article.
I'm sure I speak for many that it was long over due ;-)

Anyways. I have a recording question for you. I've been doing a lot of recording
with bands over the years in my area as a hired gun but only recently was I
asked during a recent recording session to tune my snare drum
to the song. Frankly, it was annoying because the tension of my top drum head for certain tunes was loosened which drives me nuts. I play a lot of ghost strokes and the tension (tuning) changes for this 10 song album just got under my skin. When I heard the final product, to be honest, I was not impressed. In the old days I'm sure drummers like Stewart Copeland, Neil Peart or Buddy Rich never tuned their snares to the key of the song. Sometimes their snare sound was part of their style and identifying style and I highly doubt it was tuned to the song. I could just see Buddy Rich telling the engineer to drop dead. :-)
Anyways.. I'm recording yet another bands album in this same recording studio and yet again I get the "tune the snare to the song" speech again. I basically said, no, let's try it without that and the guy almost had a fit. He really went anal on this and I find that mind boggling to say the least.

My question to you is simply, do you tune your snare to each song you record and if so, did you do that with every album? Don't get me wrong.. I can tune my kit to make it sound sweet, but is this tuning the snare to the song necessary? In my 30 years of playing this is a first for me. I can talk to 10 of my best experienced drum buddies and listen to a recording and I'm sure none of them will say.. "HEY that snare is out of tune with the song". Sure, you can have a bad sound or a good sound, but out of tune with the song? Please.. what's your take on this?

Also.. do you gate your snare sound? This is also a first in this recording studio for me. The engineer pretty much gates out the ghost strokes. He's "gate" happy. I personally don't think he understands "ghost strokes" or gates. ;-)

Thanks Gavin.
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Hi glen thomas

My question to you is simply, do you tune your snare to each song you record and if so, did you do that with every album? Don't get me wrong.. I can tune my kit to make it sound sweet, but is this tuning the snare to the song necessary?

No I've never tuned my snare to the key of the song. I don't have a ringy snare drum with a lot of overtones or harmonics to it that would bother most people. I have tuned it up or down of course to suit the style of the track - but when you start becoming aware of the pitch of it - then you're in for a whole load of trouble. It sounds like this engineer has really got it in his head that it should be in tune. Maybe try dampening your snare so that any ringing note disappears. That might placate him a bit more. Is he asking you to do it because the pitch of your snare bothers him - or he just thinks that it's a really cool thing to do?

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hi gavin

i just wanted to drop in and ask you something 'bout your pasic-performance of the song 'so what'.
so here is my question (in fact two): at about 1:56 into the song you are doing what i think is a little cool illusion...you hit your tom and the hihat at the same time and it gives me as a listener the impression as if the song is slowing down during this fill...so what exactly are you doing here?

furthermore at 3:30 you play this great fill...what's going on there? is it in quintuplets?
a transcription would be great..
it is really exciting to listen to you because of these little extra things you incorporate.
have i mentioned your fingerfill on the snare?!

thanks in advance

ps:one short question i forgot to ask...is there a recording with decent audioquality of this perfomance?
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Old 01-28-2009, 04:30 AM
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My question to you is simply, do you tune your snare to each song you record and if so, did you do that with every album? Don't get me wrong.. I can tune my kit to make it sound sweet, but is this tuning the snare to the song necessary?

No I've never tuned my snare to the key of the song. I don't have a ringy snare drum with a lot of overtones or harmonics to it that would bother most people. I have tuned it up or down of course to suit the style of the track - but when you start becoming aware of the pitch of it - then you're in for a whole load of trouble. It sounds like this engineer has really got it in his head that it should be in tune. Maybe try dampening your snare so that any ringing note disappears. That might placate him a bit more. Is he asking you to do it because the pitch of your snare bothers him - or he just thinks that it's a really cool thing to do?
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Once again you are "the man"! Thanks for your response Gavin. I just think someone pumped this engineers head with the "tune your snare to the key of the song" thing.
Needless to say I recorded 12 tracks today and not a peep from him after I told him I wasn't tuning to each song. :-)

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Old 01-28-2009, 12:21 PM
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Hi 12:5

i just wanted to drop in and ask you something 'bout your pasic-performance of the song 'so what': at about 1:56 into the song you are doing what i think is a little cool illusion...you hit your tom and the hihat at the same time and it gives me as a listener the impression as if the song is slowing down during this fill...so what exactly are you doing here?

It's just 1/4 note triplets.

furthermore at 3:30 you play this great fill...what's going on there? is it in quintuplets?
a transcription would be great


Triplets in a sticking of 5 like R L R R L.

ps:one short question i forgot to ask...is there a recording with decent audioquality of this perfomance?


Not to my knowledge. I did record this piece for my DVD Rhythmic Horizons.

Hi glen thomas

Once again you are "the man"! Thanks for your response Gavin. I just think someone pumped this engineers head with the "tune your snare to the key of the song" thing.
Needless to say I recorded 12 tracks today and not a peep from him after I told him I wasn't tuning to each song. :-)


Glad to hear it - good for you. I have fought engineers in the past because they wanted to take the front head off my bass drum - but I refused.

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Old 01-28-2009, 02:34 PM
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Once again you are "the man"! Thanks for your response Gavin. I just think someone pumped this engineers head with the "tune your snare to the key of the song" thing.
Needless to say I recorded 12 tracks today and not a peep from him after I told him I wasn't tuning to each song. :-)


Glad to hear it - good for you. I have fought engineers in the past because they wanted to take the front head off my bass drum - but I refused.

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Hi Gavin...

|O| Funny you should bring that up. I forgot to mention that this engineer also wanted to remove the front head on my kit along with the snare tuned to the key of the song thing. Needless to say I said "NO" to both. haha. He was a bit peeved but all was good after the recording got going. :-)

Thanks again Gavin for your input.
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Gavin -

I had a simple question about a certain hi-hat technique; I'm not sure of the actual name for it. It's one I've seen or heard you do a number of times (towards the beginning of 'Normal' from Nil Recurring, for example), and it involves kind of glancing the hi-hat pedal to crash the two hi-hats together rather than choke them together and hold them there for a quick chick sound.

I've been trying to get this down for awhile but I'm so inconsistent with the technique that I lose it altogether when trying to play it during a beat.

Do you have any tips for troubleshooting the technique, or possibly have any drills or exercises that halped you develop this technique?

Thanks...
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Old 01-29-2009, 01:02 AM
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Hi Gavin, Just wanted to say a couple of things:

1)Thanks for posting that Slippin' Away groove (5/8) - I saw "half" of it on another post a while back and found that it works great as a really smooth sort of halftime 5/8 shuffle.
2) Also, I have been working up the hihat pattern you said you got from Mr. Gould that's incorporated so nicely into Unsettled. Love it.
3) I am finding the practice routine bit you posted a while back, where you try to line up bass and hands perfectly, to be a great challenge - playing hands and feet in unison is a LOT harder than it may seem to some but, like you said, practicing that way makes grooves you play afterwards very smooth. I've spent so much time concentrating on alternating and filling up space that I forget how important "in unison" and silence/rests are - and challenging!

Your generosity is inspiring. Take care.
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Can you share you Axis pedal settings?

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Hi NeuroAxis

I had a simple question about a certain hi-hat technique. It's one I've seen or heard you do a number of times (towards the beginning of 'Normal' from Nil Recurring, for example), and it involves kind of glancing the hi-hat pedal to crash the two hi-hats together rather than choke them together and hold them there for a quick chick sound. Do you have any tips for troubleshooting the technique, or possibly have any drills or exercises that halped you develop this technique?


I would call it 'splashing' the hi hats. Steve Gadd explains this very well in his first video "up close". Basically you keep the front part of your foot on the pedal at all times - and whilst keeping the cymbals reasonably close together - you then bang you lower part (heel) onto the pedal and that should cause the two cymbals to splash together. To do this successfully you do need a quite large space between the two cymbals about an inch (or 3cms) at least - it also helps if the top cymbal isn't held too tightly in the hi hat clutch. I'm always amazed when I see drummers who have their hi hat cymbals about a 1/4 of an inch apart - it means that they can't really make this 'splashing' sound or get a decent 'chick' sound out of them. Two very useful tones from the left foot.

For anyone unsure of what we're talking about you can see it at the start of this video

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/g...sonfutile.html

Hi jimmyC

Thanks for posting that Slippin' Away groove (5/8) - I saw "half" of it on another post a while back and found that it works great as a really smooth sort of halftime 5/8 shuffle.

It's the same pattern that I use at the end of a Porcupine Tree track called "Cheating The Polygraph"

I am finding the practice routine bit you posted a while back, where you try to line up bass and hands perfectly, to be a great challenge - playing hands and feet in unison is a LOT harder than it may seem to some but, like you said, practicing that way makes grooves you play afterwards very smooth. I've spent so much time concentrating on alternating and filling up space that I forget how important "in unison" and silence/rests are - and challenging!

I'm still practicing it too. Actually another surprisingly hard thing to do is to just play a samba bass drum pattern whilst pedaling 8ths with the hi hat foot - and making sure they REALLY line up.

Hi *JOHN FAVICCHIA *

Can you share you Axis pedal settings?


I've got the beaters set back around 7.5 inches from the head and I would say they are leaning back close to 45 degrees. The springs are on a medium tension.

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Gavin,

Just thought I'd stop by and compliment you on the drum part for the song Unsettled. I have heard some of your work with Porcupine Tree and other miscellaneous songs but that one I was really impressed with. It seems like the drums on that, truly, come alive and turn into a shape-shifting monster. I'm a big fan of a musician making the best of a given musical context, more so than a display of intricate chops, independence, or speed (although those things do help with expression). In my mind that song defines your abilities and approach very well and just has that Gavin sound to it :) I know it isn't easy to say in words, but any ideas on how went about coming up with your part to that song would be helpful. Did you have any more freedom as a musician in playing with 05Ric than others you have played with?

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Hi intooder,

Thanks for the kind words. We had written most of the album at that point but we still didn't have what we thought was a great opening track. So one day I just sat at the drums and imagined "what would I like to hear as the opening"? I messed around a bit and then stumbled across that tom figure - so I recorded it along with a couple of the groove sections and sent it to Ric. He came up with a load of stuff for it and so it was born. Me and Ric have total freedom to do whatever we want - there's no record company - management - publishers - or even expectation from any fans - because we didn't have any. And that's how we've approached our next record too - which we are mixing right now.
Hopefully I should have some previews of it on MySpace soon.

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It must be a welcome change to have that freedom, especially for someone who makes a living as a musician, where in most cases you're at the mercy of the producer. Anyways, hopefully you enjoy your masterpiece as much as I do. I'm looking forward to hearing more from your collaboration with Ric.
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Hi Gavin,

I am planning on putting new heads on this weekend..and I was wondering if you could share with us how you tune them, not in what pitch, but the steps you take from mounting the head, to tuningmethod..... how you seat the head....

It doesnt have to be very precise...just in short....

Many drummers have many different technique's for mounting a new head, so I was just curious for your method...

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Hi Gavin,

I am planning on putting new heads on this weekend..and I was wondering if you could share with us how you tune them, not in what pitch, but the steps you take from mounting the head, to tuningmethod..... how you seat the head....

It doesnt have to be very precise...just in short....

Many drummers have many different technique's for mounting a new head, so I was just curious for your method...

Take care,
Dre

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I'm not Gavin but I've picked up some techniques in the last few years that have made a world of difference in my approach to replacing drumheads.

One is to use the exact same head on the top and bottom of the toms and floor toms. This is something I almost never see drummers do, and of course a lot of drummers get great sounds using different heads, but I have found that it really opens up the drum and lets it sing. A drum resonates the most when both of the heads are vibrating perfectly in phase with each other. The more the two heads differ in their physical characteristics the harder a time they have going into phase. Again, it's not like you can't get a good sound using two different heads but I really like the effect it has on the tone of the drum.

The other thing is to use a direct heat source like a hair dryer or a space heater and once you have the head seated on there for the first time and the tension rods cranked down a little bit and go around slowly around the edge of the head two or three times, just until the head is slightly warm to the touch. What it does is actually melt the plastic slightly to the leading edge of the drum. Shells that are sold as the same size will actually differ from brand to brand by hundredths of a millimeter so drumhead manufacturers accomadate for this by making sort of one-size-fits-all drumheads (which is why a new head will always wiggle a little bit on the shell before it has been stretched out). Taking the time to melt the head to the leading edge of the drum makes a world of difference when it comes time to tune it.

I know you came here for Gavin's advice and not mine, but these tips have worked really well for me ever since I started doing them.

Also check out Bob Gatzen; if there was such a thing as a PhD in drum head placement and tuning technique, he would have one. He has a great DVD called Drum Tuning Sound and Design and loads of good stuff on Youtube.

Hope this helps...
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