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Old 02-07-2013, 05:32 PM
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Is it just me or do these drum solo sessions where there are two or more drummers all playing at the same drive you crazy too?

It looks cool seeing two or three famous drummers all playing at once but to me it gets old real fast. Usually when there is more than one drummer the air gets taken up to much and it becomes almost like white noise. Also if you do hear something great it's hard as hell to figure out exactly what it was the drummer was playing because the other guys are all riding on their hats, cymbals, and doing accents so FORGET trying to sift through all of that.

I'm just wondering if any of you really enjoy seeing two or three of your favorite drummers on stage all playing at the same time or are you like me and wish each one would playing a true SOLO pun :)

Also of course there are exceptions but I just find that a lot of the time I want to fast forward through a video when they all start playing together.
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Old 02-07-2013, 06:24 PM
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Personally, I have always enjoyed watching 2 or 3 drummers playing at once. Something about the synchronicity of it all I guess. Probably just a matter of opinion though!
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Drum sets? Yes, depending on what they are trying to do.
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it really depends on who they are. i love the drumbassadores.
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I'd rather just hear real music than a bunch of drumming anyway, so I'm kinda with you on the "not getting it".
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Is it just me or do these drum solo sessions where there are two or more drummers all playing at the same drive you crazy too?

I'm just wondering if any of you really enjoy seeing two or three of your favorite drummers on stage all playing at the same time or are you like me and wish each one would playing a true SOLO pun :)
No, it doesn't drive me crazy, anything well done and inspired on a drumkit I'll watch and listen, with no reservations :)

You can have it all Jay, playing together, soloing individually and soloing together, the best of both world :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_o0nlYigVo

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Personally, I have always enjoyed watching 2 or 3 drummers playing at once. Something about the synchronicity of it all I guess. Probably just a matter of opinion though!
Yes Mary, I agree, synchronicity rules if you want homogeneity and accuracy :)

These guys don't do too bad... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN-apngIt3w
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That was amazing! Thanks for sharing, Henri!
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:40 PM
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I understand if you like that kind of thing. Different strokes for different folks.

Mad About Drums- I'm sure there are some great vids of drummers doing this correctly and it probably sounds good, but over the years 90 percent of the time I saw drummers playing at the same time be it 2, 3, or even four there was just not enough space inbetween the beats and just never really liked it.

I have seen drummers over the years talk about how amazing it was to watch certain drummers play together and when I watch it I just don't get what the big deal is. Not my cup of tea. Was just wondering if there were any other drummers that also felt this way.

Also I like that vid with Gadd and Weckl untill they all start playing together but for the most part it was done right. Each drummer having their moment.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:50 PM
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Some drum "battles" are pretty cool but I do take your point of sometimes being overwhelmed by notes when two or more drummers are playing at the same time.
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Old 02-07-2013, 08:57 PM
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Generally I like to hear music in playing no matter how many drummers, guitarists or vocalst there are in the band. Drumbasadors were mentioned and I agree that they are great because they are working on every performance they do, so they are trying to say something by their playing. For comparison the famous Showdown by Colaiuta, Weckl and Gadd sounds for me like three perfect drummers playning without any idea. This is not something I`d like to listren for pleasure (despite the fact that they are incredible but this is only 'pure drum' part of playing drums). You can find easily in YT Colaiuta and Marrotta playong Lullaby for Duke`s Lullaby ad this is for me great example of tune composed specially for drums.
Assuming, drum duets or trios OK, but with idea!
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Personally, I have always enjoyed watching 2 or 3 drummers playing at once. Something about the synchronicity of it all I guess. Probably just a matter of opinion though!
I agree with this. Sycnronicity is one the things that all drummers try to master anyway and I personally think that 2 drummers in sync with each other shows real dedication to music and musicmanship.
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There are dual drum performances that enthrall me and some that I don't care for, just as there are some solos that I can't listen to and there are some that I watch over and over again. Horses for courses, as we say...
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Yeah, I personally have little use for it. The whole double drumming thing is kind of lost on me.
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it really depends on who they are. i love the drumbassadores.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:08 AM
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You mean like walking into a Guitar Center drum department?
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:48 AM
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Is it just me or do these drum solo sessions where there are two or more drummers all playing at the same drive you crazy too?

It looks cool seeing two or three famous drummers all playing at once but to me it gets old real fast. Usually when there is more than one drummer the air gets taken up to much and it becomes almost like white noise. Also if you do hear something great it's hard as hell to figure out exactly what it was the drummer was playing because the other guys are all riding on their hats, cymbals, and doing accents so FORGET trying to sift through all of that.

I'm just wondering if any of you really enjoy seeing two or three of your favorite drummers on stage all playing at the same time or are you like me and wish each one would playing a true SOLO pun :)

Also of course there are exceptions but I just find that a lot of the time I want to fast forward through a video when they all start playing together.
I'd like to see the famous drummer playing music with the artist and his music that attracted my attention. Although Vinnie Colaiuta has been on countless incredible albums, I'd like to see him play with Robben Ford. If Danny Seraphine was able to reunite the old Chicago fomr the early 70s I'd love that too. Perhaps I ask for too much ;)
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Old 02-08-2013, 02:59 AM
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I don't really enjoy them either. I take exception to the drumbassadors because they have it all planned.

In Australia we have an event called drum scene and this is usually the last act of every event, I usually take this opportunity to leave before everyone else.
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Don't watch the Blue Man Group!
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How about this for a double drummer act? When the drummers are this good ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h0YEJKavi0
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:43 AM
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How about this for a double drummer act? When the drummers are this good ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h0YEJKavi0
Yeah it's great seeing Bellson. It's nice as well to see Gad but this video really didn't make much sense to me other than Bellson and Gadd doing individual short solos. The other guys were just standing there playing once in a while and when Gadd and Bellson did tap dancing of course it's cool but it's more for show than anything.

I mostly enjoy when a drummer is sitting at the drums, playing the drums.
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Showmanship is great but it takes a back seat to ability and technique.
In which universe does that occur, Jay? I'd like to go there.

Not that SG and LB are short on ability and technique ... and I quote liked the unusual setup. It seemed that the other players were providing cues to move to the next sections.
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Old 02-08-2013, 11:52 AM
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In which universe does that occur, Jay? I'd like to go there.

Not that SG and LB are short on ability and technique ...
i went back and eddited that out because it wasn't what I was trying to say. I just mean that if flipping a stick makes a drummer sound better and groove better then ok. I have found it takes a drummers mind off of the music for the most part. Sowmanship is great and even I do little things here and there for fun but I don't think a drummer should be praised over his showmanship if his groove, chops and ability to play music isn't up to par or better than his showmanship.

I just mean that the abilities and techniques a drummer uses to PLAY the drums interests me more than the abilities and techniques he uses to flip sticks, show off, tap dance etc etc. Hope this explains it a little better.

Also in a sense we are all showmen and it is important to excite the audience who really have no clue whats going on so I understand drummers doing things to excite the masses. It's fine, but we drummers can see what is truly used for playing the DRUMS and whats done to show off for the masses. I always get excited over new and innovative techniques that I see or a better method of achieving a certain groove or chop on the kit. I have never said OH MY GOD BELLSON and GADD tap danced that is sooo amazing lol. It is cool but as a drummer i get excited over a drummer playing the drums. Not being a prude, I hope this helps explain a little better. to each his own
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:29 PM
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Jay, I know where you're coming from. Two drummers together normally isn't my thing either although duels between top players Weckl, Vinnie, Gadd or Elvin, Max and Art or Gene and Buddy still suck me in despite myself.

I love jamming with percussionists, though. Can do it for hours.
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Personally, I like drum music by multiple drummers. However, this may be of a different scope of this thread.

Olatunji, Jin go lo ba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYhFyF8dvU4

Santana, Jin go lo ba
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Generally, I don't like drum solos. But when 2 players get together you can see the difference in their styles much better than any other situation. So I think it's valid.

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Definitely depends on the players and the arrangement. If they're just trying to outplay eachother every step of the way, it often just produces a huge mess.

Here's one of my favourites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ8-r_hd5PY
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Definitely depends on the players and the arrangement. If they're just trying to outplay eachother every step of the way, it often just produces a huge mess.

Here's one of my favourites:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ8-r_hd5PY
You know you bring up a great point. It reminds me of all those gospell drumming shed videos where 3 or 4 guys are only playing to out do the other but they are all playing at the same damn time!!! The gospel chops drummers are usually great drummers but I don't know what has happened to gospel drumming over the years. It went from straight grooves that could lift a buick to speed metal type drumming. When I hear those gospel chops sessions I can't even take a breath because they never let up, they just go on, and on, and onnn lol blip blah boop boop blip blah dugadah dugadah SOMEBODY PLAY A STRAIGHT GROOVE FOR A SEC AND LET ME CATCH MY BREAT!!! lol. All in all great drummers though
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I just mean that the abilities and techniques a drummer uses to PLAY the drums interests me more than the abilities and techniques he uses to flip sticks, show off, tap dance etc etc. Hope this explains it a little better.
Not all multi-drummers performances are based solely on showmanship, on some pieces out there, the drummers actually PLAY the drums, and the fact that there's more than one of them, makes it even a harder challenge, when you play alone, it's your call, when there's more than one player, time, accuracy and feel are pushed to the limits.

Listen to Simon and Gavin, to play like that with such intricate patterns, forces respect, praise and musicianship, you can still appreciate each drummer's imput, as well as how it blend so well together, I'm passionate about drums, drummers and drumming, whenever there's one playing or many, and this kind of performance might be classified as "showmanship" by many, while I just call it "music", it's absolutely awesome, but as you say, each to his own, but these guys are using their abilities and techniques to play the drums, nothing else.

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6YooxOTsus

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPf39uh1Mdk

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3Yx41LSmXI

Part 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV1Arl7Z2Ls


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...but as a drummer i get excited over a drummer playing the drums.
!?! ...if they're not playing the drums, what are they playing?
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We have just aquired a second drummer in our band. This guy is good. We tried it with a couple other drummers and it didn't work out so well for one reason or another. But with this drummer things go really well and it sounds amazing. I think it is a great experience. Last night the other drummer couldn't make it and even I was missing that other element to our music. The music we play really lends itself to more percussion and rhythmic elements within the song. So really this is the shot in the arm that our band needed and we are seriously thinking about gigging now.
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I guess it's a lot to do with whether there's a musical thing going on or if it turns into athletics of some kind. I understand Will Calhoun pulled that trick on Neil Peart at one of the Buddy Memorial concerts - not that I was there, just what i heard.
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I hate the concept of “drum battles,” but I love the idea of drum duets.
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