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Old 10-13-2011, 08:10 AM
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Hi folks......

I was born in 1967 and missed the beatles the first time around, so they never were a big influence on my playing. Lately the boys and I have been fooling around with some beatles songs, and having a great time with it. Some excellent songs.

Ive noticed that every drummer seems to have a few things that they do, that if one masters those, the feel of the songs just gets better.. for example bonham with the broken triplets, or peart with the triplets on the bell of the ride...

To those who have studied the beatles, what elements do you keep in mind when playing those songs......... what is it that makes Ringo, Ringo?

Hope this question makes sense............ being just a casual beatles fan, and only playing the songs a few times through, I am trying to developp a ringoesque feel. Any suggestions?
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:26 PM
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Hi there. My favorite Ringo/Beatles tunes are:

Rain
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There are so many. Ringo's one of the great underrated drummers. Not just a mop top.
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:05 PM
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When I think of Ringo I think big melodic tom fills of the type you hear on Strawberry Fields, very fat and simple snare and bass with fairly light and/or sparse cymbals, and a light swing.
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Ringo doesn't crash a lot. IMO, he plays less notes than most. Sometimes he doesn't ride on anything. When he does fill (at least sometimes) he starts them left handed.
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Ringo is till out there playing. His recent studio albums are quite good basic rock. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:10 AM
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Todd mentioned that his riding is often much lighter than bass drum and snare. Larry talked about the absence of riding at times (not easy to get the beat to sit, doing that).

What makes those approaches work so well is that he mixes it up with strong riding. I enjoy the way Ringo changes the textures of his beats in different sections of the songs, and in a distinctive way. Best example of that IMO is Let It Be.

In the early days he was more standard RnR - lots of loud, washy riding. The sparseness came in later.

As for his fills, they were often based more on the vocal line than the usual approach of playing them at the end of 4/6/16/32 bars in transitions. No one knows how much of it was his intuition and how much came from Paul's and John's instructions.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:27 AM
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Lots of the Beatles songs had overdubbed instruments, vocals, including drums.
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:20 AM
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You want the Ringo? You WANT The RINGO?? CAN you handle the RINGO??? Listen to Sgt Peppers on "side 1" and THEN Sgt Peppers Reprise on "side 2". You will have the Ringo. Good luck!
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Ringo is known for his backbeat and solid time keeping. Basic things to learn for any drummer.
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Solid Time! Big musical fills? Tops at supporting others in the band.....backing vocals and leads. Denis
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playing for the song and not trying to be the STAR of the song....a concept that is lost on some drummers today....."HEY..i got a double kick and can play really fast so look at ME!!!"
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:39 AM
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One of the most unsung aspects of Ringo's playing is that he created of so many memorable drum parts.

Beatles music is littered with many fantastic and unique drum parts. Not just nice generic grooves, but individual rhythms which custom fit the song. So yea, RIngo, in addition to having his one groovy vibe was also compositionally very strong, like Bonham, Peart, Garibaldi, Gadd, and dare I say, Keith Moon.


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So yea, RIngo, in addition to having his one groovy vibe was also compositionally very strong, like ... dare I say, Keith Moon.
Yes, you may dare say as far as I'm concerned :) Moonie's created some memorable drum parts. And so has Ringo ... Come Together, Rain, Getting Better, ADITL, Don't Let Me Down, Let it Be, Rain, Strawberry Fields, Ticket to Ride, TNK ...

Yet my favourite Ringo drum part wasn't even with the Beatles ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-spAA9aLN0 ... whatta vibe!
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Old 10-14-2011, 07:55 AM
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Yet my favourite Ringo drum part wasn't even with the Beatles ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-spAA9aLN0 ... whatta vibe!
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Lots of the Beatles songs had overdubbed instruments, vocals, including drums.
With all due respect, I'm not sure what you mean by your statement and what your reference source is?

As far as my knowledge of Beatles history, they used only a 4-track recorder up to and including Sgt. Pepper's album (June 1967). They didn't really technologically catch up with the times until their final LP Abbey Road.

Are you saying that Ringo's playing isn't all that great and that things could have dubbed over and over to get the right sound? I'm lost... :)
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After listening to the Beatles all these years and remembering their debut on the Ed Sullivan show I find it hard to believe that anyone would could consider Ringo a "great" drummer but then again I find it hard to believe that anyone but Ringo could "fit" the Beatles any better. They had a few fellows in the group as kids and had their hearts set on Ringo so that says alot for Ringo. The producers brought in other studio drummers (allan white) thinking that Ringo didn't fit the bill on some tunes but again he won out. He is unique in many ways and the obvious being a lefty sittin behind a right handed set up and basicly playing right handed yet leading alot of his fills with his left hand. That alone is very unique and some pretty good drummers would have to work on emulating that technique.
He sure beats the crap out of listening to Charlie Watts play the exact same thing for 45 years on just about every song. Now theres a group I can visualize alot of drummers in and they could have used a musical focal point because no one in in that group has outstanding talent on their instruments. Saw them 3 or 4 times since the early 60s and without Jagger being a good front man there'd be no reason to stay and listen to these guys play Chuck Berry tunes about as bad as anyone I ever heard. Thank god for take 2 and on in a studio, live their weak at best. Am I ranting? damn I am! Lunch time. Doc
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:13 PM
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After listening to the Beatles all these years and remembering their debut on the Ed Sullivan show I find it hard to believe that anyone would could consider Ringo a "great" drummer but then again I find it hard to believe that anyone but Ringo could "fit" the Beatles any better. They had a few fellows in the group as kids and had their hearts set on Ringo so that says alot for Ringo. The producers brought in other studio drummers (allan white) thinking that Ringo didn't fit the bill on some tunes but again he won out. He is unique in many ways and the obvious being a lefty sittin behind a right handed set up and basicly playing right handed yet leading alot of his fills with his left hand. That alone is very unique and some pretty good drummers would have to work on emulating that technique.
He sure beats the crap out of listening to Charlie Watts play the exact same thing for 45 years on just about every song. Now theres a group I can visualize alot of drummers in and they could have used a musical focal point because no one in in that group has outstanding talent on their instruments. Saw them 3 or 4 times since the early 60s and without Jagger being a good front man there'd be no reason to stay and listen to these guys play Chuck Berry tunes about as bad as anyone I ever heard. Thank god for take 2 and on in a studio, live their weak at best. Am I ranting? damn I am! Lunch time. Doc
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:18 PM
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With all due respect, I'm not sure what you mean by your statement and what your reference source is?

As far as my knowledge of Beatles history, they used only a 4-track recorder up to and including Sgt. Pepper's album (June 1967). They didn't really technologically catch up with the times until their final LP Abbey Road.

Are you saying that Ringo's playing isn't all that great and that things could have dubbed over and over to get the right sound? I'm lost... :)

They did use a four track recorder but at times would put the first three tracks onto the fourth track, mixed, then re-record the first three tracks. I saw this on a Paul McCartney special where he showed the exact equipment they used. There was some dubbing but certainly not up to todays standard.
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With all due respect, I'm not sure what you mean by your statement and what your reference source is?

As far as my knowledge of Beatles history, they used only a 4-track recorder up to and including Sgt. Pepper's album (June 1967). They didn't really technologically catch up with the times until their final LP Abbey Road.

Are you saying that Ringo's playing isn't all that great and that things could have dubbed over and over to get the right sound? I'm lost... :)
I think he may believe that nonsense about Bernard Purdies claim about playing on all those Beatle albums,which is total BS.If you knew anything about 4 track recording,and the way the Beatles and George Martin used 4 track,you would know also that Purdies claims are excentric at best.When using 4 track,you get "bleeding"into the other tracks so there is no way to take a master tape and completely erase a track.You will always hear some of the original recording on the other guitar or vocal tracks.Purdie claims the tapes were brought by "special messenger" to a secret studio in New York, where he recorded the drum tracks.Really??? The guy needs to stay on his meds,because his alien friends will be coming for him soon.While I acknowledge Purdie is a great drummer,Ringo was great in the studio also,and as for George Martin using Allen White for the "Love Me Do",single,Ringo plays on the Album.Martin has over the years apologized numerous times to Ringo,both in public and in private for his initialal lack of faith in his skills.

Larryz is quite correct,and hogdaddy is a little unclear in his post.

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Old 10-14-2011, 05:55 PM
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I have said that about a few drummers,especially Ringo over the years.The 'fit"was perfect,especially later on.On Sgt. Peppers his drumming is epic.I'm not saying its the pinnacle of technical drumming,but is is a lesson in taste and musical drumming,which Ringo has demonstrated numerous times over the years,and on every tune he plays on..

I can't think of Rush without Peart,or the Who without Moonie,Zep without Bonham,Deep Purple without Paice.The list can go on. The point is,none of these bands would have achieved their level of success without their drummers unique style and what they brought to the party.The Beatles without Ringo?

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Old 10-14-2011, 06:28 PM
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I have said that about a few drummers,especially Ringo over the years.The 'fit"was perfect,especially later on.On Sgt. Peppers his drumming is epic.I'm not saying its the pinnacle of technical drumming,but is is a lesson in taste and musical drumming,which Ringo has demonstrated numerous times over the years,and on every tune he plays on..

I can't think of Rush without Peart,or the Who without Moonie,Zep without Bonham,Deep Purple without Paice.The list can go on. The point is,none of these bands would have achieved their level of success without their drummers unique style and what they brought to the party.The Beatles without Ringo?

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Totally agree with you. I don't know what Purdie is smoking or was..? I love his drumming too but you gotta admit that his allegations sure keep his name out there in the news, etc. Maybe he did overdub work on the horrible Beatles Hamburg, Germany tapes from 1960 or something. I dunno. But yes yes yes it's all about Ringo's "taste" for playing.
Awesome. My brother is in a successful local Beatles tribute band. They pack the houses locally and have been together for 10 years and the drummer STILL is not even close to "getting" Ringo's playing down. Proof that it may sound easy to play but in reality it ain't.
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If Pete Best were not fired and Ringo was not hired, we could have seen /heard something different from the beatles songs.... still we would have said.. the drummer played for the song.
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:58 PM
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Ringo was my first drum teacher, so he's kinda like my Obi wan. Then I heard Zeppelin and found my Yoda lol.

My family didn't have a CD player, but we did have the entire Beatles catalog on vinyl and an old record player.

Ringo was pretty darned sneaky with some of his stuff, sounds all simple. But you play that exact figure and it doesn't sound quite right. Dynamics, Accents, Melodic and bouncy tom fills. Oh god I love Ringo's drumming!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even now, when I'm feeling stuck in a rut, I'll just put on the white album (vinyl,) blast it through my PA and get back in the groove (literally)

I think the one of the biggest things you can take away from Ringo is his feel. Everything else he did was fantastic. But the man can drop a groove bomb. One of my favorites is "While my guitar gently weeps" right after the intro. Every song grooved like mad, because of Sir Ringo and Sir Paul.

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No one knows how much of it was his intuition and how much came from Paul's and John's instructions.
According to Geoff Emerick (one of the Beatles' main recording engineers) in his book "Here, There and Everywhere" - a MUST read for any Beatles fan - John would rarely instruct Ringo on any drum parts whereas Paul would often have specific recommendations to Ringo about what to play.

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According to Geoff Emerick (one of the Beatles' main recording engineers) in his book "Here, There and Everywhere" a MUST read for any Beatles fan - John would rarely instruct Ringo on any drum parts whereas Paul would often have specific recommendations to Ringo about what to play.

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Definitely the best and most informative book about the Beatles music and recording ever. Hands down. The man was in the studio with them from (almost) from beginning to end.
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Beatles music is littered with many fantastic and unique drum parts. Not just nice generic grooves, but individual rhythms which custom fit the song. So yea, RIngo, in addition to having his one groovy vibe was also compositionally very strong, like Bonham, Peart, Garibaldi, Gadd, and dare I say, Keith Moon.


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Abe, dare I say that is almost a direct quote. :) I like the Keith Moon bit though.
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Ringo (or someone advising him) came up with parts that were very unusual. Get Back? Ticket to Ride? Where did those rhythms come from? Quite creative.
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Pretty Purdie did do sessions with The Beatles but Ringo's parts were definitely his: http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=25517

Barry, I've read the Geoff Emerick book (very enjoyable) ... it tells of some parts (like Ticket to Ride) that were Pauls' idea but there's still a lot we don't know. Funny thing, no matter who you read about - be it George Martin, Geoff Emerick, John Paul, George ... they always try to make you think that they were the critical component :)

Doctor Dirt, it depends how you define "great drummer". To me, if the music sounds great then the drummer has done a great job. Chops have almost nothing to do with it. Playing a drum part that helps the song reach its fruition ... that's what Ringo was great at (and may well still be great at it).
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I believe the part about Purdie playing on earlier Beatle singles when Pete Best was in the band.Ringo hadn't even joined the band yet.But his other claims are nonsense.Some of the tunes and albums were already released,so why would you want to overtrak drums on an album that is a gold record?

Like i've said before,he is a great drummer...one of the best studio drummers of all time.But as many in the business have said..a pathological liar.

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Solid, solid back beat. That's Ringo.

Also, back in the day it was almost live recording. Takes done as a band, and any mistakes mean starting again. Cant fix it in the mix.
No click track back then, the drummer and the rest of the band kept the tempo.

Look at the youtube of the Beatles at Shea stadium, Ringo is the best musician on the stage, and without monitors, not that they could have heard them anyway above the noise of the audience.

When Ringo sings during the gig they take a straight mike stand, stick it in front of him, next to the snare, and off he goes, flat based cymbal stands swaying alarmingly.

The reason early producers were not keen on Ringo or most pop/rock drummers, was because they were still based in old style recording methods and musical styles. The bass drum patterns of the new wave of drummers were alien to producers like, even, George Martin, who were used to the old tin pan alley way of recording music. That is why they sometimes insisted on session drummers, until they saw the light.
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With all due respect, I'm not sure what you mean by your statement and what your reference source is?

As far as my knowledge of Beatles history, they used only a 4-track recorder up to and including Sgt. Pepper's album (June 1967). They didn't really technologically catch up with the times until their final LP Abbey Road.

Are you saying that Ringo's playing isn't all that great and that things could have dubbed over and over to get the right sound? I'm lost... :)
This man claims to have overdubbed on 21 Beatles songs. http://www.jimvallance.com/03-projec...pg-purdie.html


I think on some later songs ringo played 2 different tracks layered on top of each other.

For instance, ringo overdubbed cymbals on Good Day Sunshine.

Paul played drums on Back in the USSR. Ringo had left the band.

Btw I am a BIG Beatles fan and have many (vinyl) albums. Imho vinyl sounds the best!

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Pretty Purdie did do sessions with The Beatles but Ringo's parts were definitely his: http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=25517

Barry, I've read the Geoff Emerick book (very enjoyable) ... it tells of some parts (like Ticket to Ride) that were Pauls' idea but there's still a lot we don't know. Funny thing, no matter who you read about - be it George Martin, Geoff Emerick, John Paul, George ... they always try to make you think that they were the critical component :)

Doctor Dirt, it depends how you define "great drummer". To me, if the music sounds great then the drummer has done a great job. Chops have almost nothing to do with it. Playing a drum part that helps the song reach its fruition ... that's what Ringo was great at (and may well still be great at it).
I'm glad you brought up the Geoff Emerick book because I've been assailed here and there (actually not here) for stating that Ringo created the big drum sound when Geoff says it was him. But as you said, how do we know. Perhaps Ringo said, I want a bigger drum sound, and Ringo would be the last to want to take credit for anything. I am leery of the Gottfridsson book as well, which stated that Purdie played on the Tony Sheridan recordings. I was actually the one that brought that book to the fore. But they would have flown Purdi4 to London, I don't think you would forget that. Now we can hear those recording in digital and hear that there is not overdubbing of the parts.

Purdie has changed his story as well, from I played on 20 songs, to I overdubbed songs now claiming that Ringo drummed over his drum parts, which were used as a reference. Look, I love Purdie, and am not going to blame him for being overly suspicious in a business where people are routinely ripped off, not given credit, and stabbed in the back, especially back then. Musicians were rarely ever credited for being on a track, and their input to the final product was rarely protected under copyright. Who knew that sampling would become an issue? Who knew that music would still be around 40-50 years hence?

If you want to emulate Ringo, don't emulate Ringo. Be unique and found a particular way to approach every song you do. The elements to keep in mind are the way that Ringo could play a variety of feels and bring in a unique feel for every song.
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I think we are all sometimes guilty of over stating musicianship, for want of a better word.
I dont think anyone would claim that any of the Beatles were "virtuoso" musicians.
None of them had what you would call a "great" voice.

But, put John, George, Paul and Ringo in a band and magic happened. Its like baking, or cooking, get the right ingredients and you have great outcome.

What can not be denied, even by those who dont like the Beatles music, is that the Beatles were, and still are, the most influential music group of the last century.

Its about how a band sparks between the members, not weather any of them can play a double kick at 200 beats per second or can emulate every note Jimmi Hendrix ever played.

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Very well put Mike. I grew up with the Beatles. I started playing drums two years before they made it to the USA. I like the Beatles a lot. I have everything they recorded, even some 8mm film that is not on their Anthology series that I may sell one day. Did I lik eall of their music ? No. Did I like them? Obviously. What I don't understand is why we feel a need to dissect everything they or Ringo did. Johnny Cash sounded like crap and made billions. Bob Dylan should have kept writing and never sang a note but he did and made billions. It's all in who we like. There is no contest or I am better than him. Ringo made, and is still making more money than any of us could ever dream of. His concerts, although small venues, are still sold out.
Who cares? The people that pay to see him love him for who and what he is. Take some advice from the BeaTles and , Let It Be.
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Lively discussion, but getting back to my original question, the takeaways for me as I work on these songs seem to be the following - Ringo's fills and textures often tend to follow the vocals / melody rather than the bass. He often began his fills with his left hand. At times he did not ride, and because the parts are very sparse in places, micro timing is key. Easy on the crashes


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Lively discussion, but getting back to my original question, the takeaways for me as I work on these songs seem to be the following - Ringo's fills and textures often tend to follow the vocals / melody rather than the bass. He often began his fills with his left hand. At times he did not ride, and because the parts are very sparse in places, micro timing is key. Easy on the crashes


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There is a good book from Hal Leonard with Beatles drum transcriptions.

Things to look for in Ringo is his treatment of the high hat. He uses a variety of open and closed sounds as well as straight and swung feels. His doesn't just play eight on the hh because that what everyone dose. He mixes it up. He very rarely used ghost notes, I've Got A Feeling, although drummers were doing that in the early 60s. He accents the upbeat of two in the Mersey Beat. He emphasizes the one on the bass drum, and the earlier tunes have sparse bass drum to allow for the bass guitar to play more melodically. Drum parts are sparse yes, listen to While My Guitar Gently Weeps, great half-time feel.
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He sure beats the crap out of listening to Charlie Watts play the exact same thing for 45 years on just about every song. Now theres a group I can visualize alot of drummers in and they could have used a musical focal point because no one in in that group has outstanding talent on their instruments. Saw them 3 or 4 times since the early 60s and without Jagger being a good front man there'd be no reason to stay and listen to these guys play Chuck Berry tunes about as bad as anyone I ever heard. Thank god for take 2 and on in a studio, live their weak at best. Am I ranting? damn I am! Lunch time. Doc
in the same respect I find "Gimme Shelter" to be THE most perfect song/record EVER recorded. that tune has more life than any other song ever.
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on some of the later stuff you will notice some of Ringos fills are quite interesting because he was lefty playing on a righty kit and led his fills with his left hand

I love me some Ringo

chops master?....no

kick ass drummer?...... absolutely
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He sure beats the crap out of listening to Charlie Watts play the exact same thing for 45 years on just about every song. Now theres a group I can visualize alot of drummers in and they could have used a musical focal point because no one in in that group has outstanding talent on their instruments. Saw them 3 or 4 times since the early 60s and without Jagger being a good front man there'd be no reason to stay and listen to these guys play Chuck Berry tunes about as bad as anyone I ever heard. Thank god for take 2 and on in a studio, live their weak at best. Am I ranting? damn I am! Lunch time. Doc
It is amazing that the stones are still the greatest rock n roll band in the world, even tho I agree with ur rant :)
If we take the media out of the stones and beatles and let the listeners decide whom to choose, we would have witnessed something different.
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Lots of the Beatles songs had overdubbed instruments, vocals, including drums.
And a lot of the instruments were recorded, then played backwards and placed into the songs. George Martin was a genius that was a big reason for their success. That being said, I loved Ringo's drums on Beatle songs and then even more so on some of his solo stuff.

He was also quite the ham on stage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oBZu...feature=fvwrel
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