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Old 07-12-2008, 11:49 PM
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For newbies that have know clue or ear like I used to try this.

finger tight all tension rods.
tighten one rod half a turn.
tighten the rod directly opposite half a turn
go back to the first rod, move one rod over and tighten that half a turn
go directly opposite of that rod and tighten half a turn
continue this all around the drum until you go three times around the drum
do the same with the other head.

This will get get you very close to where you want to be. obviously different drums require different settings. You will eventually have to develope your ear to fine tune but I have found most new drummers do not have this ear and only do more damage as they try to fine tune.
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Old 08-08-2008, 04:32 PM
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Ok, here's an intimate statistic question :P
How many turns do you actually crank each lug of your snare (both top and bottom)?
I'm asking because it seems to me that I'm cranking my Mapex M Birch snare tighter than normal in order to get a standard "paf" sound :)) And also I'm asking because I'm just curious to see how tight do most people tune their snare. I for sure like it tight.
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Old 08-09-2008, 10:02 AM
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i tune it to the tightest actually. i like the popping sound. then ill start to detune it to get that more crunchy sound with top and bottom. wonder if its wrong im noobie my i love the sound of my snare right now. crunchy+poppy lol
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SSSSSSSSS,

I used to crank the crap out of the heads on my snare drum.
I was looking for a drier sound, but I ended up with a more "tinny" sound.
After a certain amount of tension (around 2-2.5 turns), you reach a point of diminshing return, in that the drum just won't get any drier and the pitch won't raise any higher.
Years later, I've found that I wasn't seeing the "big picture" and what I was hearing was also an effect of the shell itself.
Once I started to address EVERYTHING about the snare drum, I found I could slack off on the heads and achieve a darker and more "satisfying" sound.
Nowadays, I actually prefer a little sustain to the sound of the snare drum. If I ever want/need less sustain, I'll lay a muffling ring on, or tape my wallet to, the batter head and that suffices.
Less tension is easier on the hardware, too.
Anymore, I generally tension the heads on all of my drums in the area of 1.25-1.75 turns.

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The process you lay out works out to 1.5 turns, total.
That's an area that I seem to have settled on over the last 10 years and its working nicely, especially on the two 13" snare drums that make up part of my collection.

However, you didn't address the other aspect of "fine tuning", which is eliminating distortion (and everyone has enough of an ear for that).
Just because you tighten the head a certain amount of turns, on each lug, doesn't mean the head will immediately be in tune with itself (and/or the other head).
Once one has "cracked" the head and then retunes, reaching a point that puts them in the vicinity of a sound they like, they need to tune out the distortion that will most likely be present, by going back and finding the offending areas and adjusting the tension on those lugs, in order to bring everything into...harmony.
Two heads vibrating out of phase can be real head scratcher, sometimes, too, if you're not aware that it could also be the reason behind the distortion heard in a drum.

If you look back, you'll see I touched some of that in the head tuning tutorial I posted in this thread.



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Old 08-14-2008, 06:40 PM
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Wouldn't it have been easier and quicker to simply post the link to the page that was copied from?

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Wouldn't it have been easier and quicker to simply post the link to the page that was copied from?

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I read a few answers and they are right. The purpose of snares is to make that buzzing sound. So it just aint going to happen!
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Old 09-17-2008, 05:26 AM
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GEAR: Mapex Pro Maple Series 14x5.5 Snare Drum
SNARE WIRES: Phosphor Bronze Alloy Snare Wires (20 strands)
DRUM HEADS: Remo Coated Ambassador on top, Remo Clear Ambassador on bottom
TUNING: On top head, key of "D". On bottom head, key of "F". Snare wires are a bit tight. A little bit of Blu-Tak Clay on the top head.
I find this as an alternative for moon gels. Sounds great!!

And here's the sample video of what my snare sounds like, critics are welcome. :)
Anyway, I'm just a newbie. Cheers!

Here is the link, -->> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DBlmQk3o6I
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:07 AM
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I'm wondering if anyone can tell me how to get John Bonham's snare sound that is featured on "BBC Sessions". If you know how please message me..

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Old 10-31-2008, 05:36 PM
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Try the Bob Gatzen videos on YouTube - guaranteed to make your snare sing, although you may need to experiement a little with the notes & intervals between the heads he suggests from drum to drum...

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Old 11-01-2008, 03:20 AM
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srry, no ftp site was taken down. I will see if I can delete it....
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I'm sorry but that doesn't make sense.
I just clicked on the link and the site is still there.
You didn't neccessarily have to delete it, I was just saying....but, ok, whatever.
Uh....thanks?



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Old 11-01-2008, 05:25 AM
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I used to tune my snare high, but I've learned that snares sound better at medium. A much more full sound, a more pleasant sound, and a better sustain. I use a 6.5x13" Yamaha Brass Nouveau with my band, and I get a more satisfying sound, with great crack as well, about medium-high at the very highest.
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Old 11-06-2008, 03:18 PM
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What are the tuning rudiments for Lars' snare on the black album?
I think he used ambassadors.
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If you want to learn how to eliminate snare buzz, go here:
part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcHAFgafPkE
part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNNGBVA66Hk

This drummer, Bob Gatzen teaches you some ways to eliminate snare buzz.
watch part one and two.
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Old 11-17-2008, 02:18 PM
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Ok Everyone.....I'm brand new and took a look at a couple of posts about Snare Buzz when you strike the other drums....specifically the first Tom which is close to the snare. I read some posts saying there is nothing to be done except for tape which means you can't turn the snare off easily.

There is an easy solution!!!! On Sam Ash .com I purchased these clips that have a small arm and felt pad attached. They install by clipping to the rim (I put them on the bottom side ) and you can actually adjust the felt pad for how firm you want it to touch the head. They install in about 5 seconds and you can't even notice them.

They make the Toms sound like you're in a studio without muffling the drum and killing the sound. And for the snare.....all you need to do is have the felt pad SLIGHTLY touch the snare wires and.....EUREKA......NO BUZZ AT ALL!!! To turn off the snares.....simply reach under and slide the felt pad away. It doesn't even effect the snare sound at all, just eliminates the buzz.

Anyway....Sam Ash.....small rim clips with Felt Pad attached......worth gold!!!

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Old 11-17-2008, 02:40 PM
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Honestly I am not getting any fun out of tuning my drums. I just dont want to go through that pain. Even if I tune them right, they will be bad after my kind of play. So... I know it is a crime but...... what I have found out that if I put a thin towel on my drums, I get the heavy fat sound that I want.
DUDE....THROW IN THE TOWELS!!!! Besides compromising the look of your drums.....mods like that aren't needed anymore. Read the Richie Q post response to snare tuning buzz. It Works!!!!
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Old 11-18-2008, 06:23 PM
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RitchieQ,

Not putting down your post(s) but actually, clip-on drum mufflers have been around for a very long time.
Mostly seen on the BD in "the old days" (the big round pad. Check some old pics), they fell out of favour in the 60's because as the "Rock Drummer" came into being, they were found to be ineffective against the more aggresive way those drummers play.
They came back in the 80's, for snares and toms, and are still available.
Basically an internal drum muffler assembly, with a clip.
There are many different variations around these days.
I've seen guys do that with the snares before. It does work, but you really have to dial it in.
There's a fine line between buzz and the snare sounding like a tom, when trying to use that method.
I think Gretsch still offers the internal muffler for their BD's (the twin square pads, not the felt strip style).
I've been thinking about mounting a couple on my little Ludwig BD.
It was good of you to mention it though. Thanks.



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Old 11-26-2008, 03:19 PM
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Oh Yeah Elvis.....they have been around for a while. My first set....an old Slingerland, actually had them mounted internally, with external wingnuts to tighten them or have them off the head completely. And oh yeah.....it is a fine line between making the drum dead, and getting great sound...there is a bit of tweaking to do.

Maybe you can help me. In tuning my toms, what happens, and what kind of sound and head response do you get by removing the bottom head completely? My old Slingerlands had no bottoms, but I now have Tama Imperialstars. I bought the tama's because I am just getting back into drumming. I wont end up in a band or anything, just having fun trying to recapture some of my youth. Now as a "grown up"....I have a nice house with basement privacy and I really enjoy it. anyway, should I remove the bottoms....or tune them better? I like the "studio sound" but want a lively responsive batter head.

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Old 11-26-2008, 08:25 PM
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Hey Rich,

Yeah, that's always a tough question to answer, but the reality is, how do you want your drums to sound?
Removing the resonant side heads will dry out the sound of the drums and make them a bit "thinner" sounding as well.
Should you do that?
Again, that's up to you. My best advice is to simply try it and see what you think....you can always put those resonant side heads back on if you don't like the "concert tom" sound.

BTW, are those Imperialstar drums new, or the ones they made back in the 70's and 80's?



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Old 12-10-2008, 11:25 PM
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Elvis,

Haven't been here in a while. Anyway, the Tama's are new. They do sound good, and without the bottom head, they sound loud, but dead......no carry at all. Actually, I tuned the bottoms and batter heads and just kept tweaking them. Now, they sound great. The afforementioned mufflers are still there, but just barely touching the bottom head if at all. Seems like I just needed a bit more time to experiment. A little tighter on the batter, and looser on the bottom....made all the difference in the world.

Oh, I did replace the standard Meinl cymbals that came with the set with Zildjians. I had Zildjians way back when and they seem to sound even better today.

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Old 12-11-2008, 07:11 PM
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RichieQ,

Glad you were able to dial in your drums.
Sounds like you've got a nice little kit now.
BTW, in case you were wondering, the reason I asked which Imperialstar you have is because the new ones are a completely different drum than the old ones.
Enjoy!



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Old 12-26-2008, 11:57 PM
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Thanks....and Yes....I really love this set....they look and sound great. What were the old Imperialstars like? This is the first time I owned Tama drums.

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Does anybody else around here find themselves tuning their snares to eliminate sympathetic Tom buzz? Right now, my snare is tuned tighter than Buddy Rich's probably ever was, because my 10" Tom was starting to sound like a snare drum itself with lower tunings on my snare.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:04 AM
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Thanks....and Yes....I really love this set....they look and sound great. What were the old Imperialstars like? This is the first time I owned Tama drums.

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Fat and kinda warm, but with presence and a bright quality.
The old Imperialstars were a Birch/Mahogany composite (IIRC) and the top Tama drum until the debut of the Artstar series, about 6 or 7 years later.
Considering that new Imperialstars are a beginner / student line kit, I suspect they're made from whatever it is that Tama can get for the cheapest price...and that most likely changes by the batch.


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hope this helps

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you could always tape the snare wire, but then it would be a pain if you wanted to turn the snare off.
i tried this on my old kit and it defiantly worked but have not yet to trie it out on my new premier!!and i rarely turn the snare off so that wouldn't affect anything
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Check out EVANS drum heads webb page they have a great section on snare tuning.
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today i purchased powerstroke 3 head for my snare and was trying to tune it in but didnt come close to tuning.. now i've been wondering for a while about my snare.

I can tune my toms in fine but since i got my saturn kit the saturn snare never really tuned.

Also i noticed when un-tightening my bolts one lug doesnt loosen directly up it goes into the rim same as re-tightening it.. could this stop the snare from being tuned? if so does anyone know how to fix it? do i need a new hoop?
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:18 AM
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Sounds like a bad one got through the line at the Mapex factory.
If the kit's new, take the snare drum back and exchange it for something else (don't forget to take the receit with you, too).
If the nazi behind the counter refuses to work with you, ask to speak to a manager.
If the nazi behind the counter refuses to grant your meeting with the manager (will probably use the old "I-am-the-manager" con), go home, get on your computer, find the website for the store you bought that POS snare drum from and e-mail your complaint to the manager, and name the nazi you dealt with.
You should receive a prompt reply from the manager and if you don't (be fair - give 'em a week to respond), then write to Mapex and explain your problem and mention how poorly you treated by that fascist regime of a store and the nazi's who work there.
If a company receives enough complaints about one of its dealers, they WILL pull the dealership.

Alternate scenario:
If the manager doesn't respond to your e-mail, and the fascist regime of a store is actually part of a chain of Nationalist Socialist Republictarians, then write the Furher of that company and tell them about that Fascist Regime of a store.
...and if you don't hear back from them, THEN write to Mapex.


...but start by taking the snare drum back to the store, first.

Just be a "human being" and explain to the guy what's going on.
There is such a thing as a "return" at a music store, too, ya know.



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Help!
Im having problems with my snare. It sounds great and all, but everytime i hit my 12" or 13" toms, they get that nasty rattling sound from the damn thing. how do i get rid of this? I have a pear forum kit, it is about a year old. everything is in tune but the snare is pissing me off. i use dampner rings to eliminate most of this but its still there. I use evans g2 heads with the tiny holes around the oustide (if that matters). Its tuned pretty high, but if i tune it lower, it makes it worse and it wont go any higher, and i dont want it to.
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Old 03-30-2009, 06:56 AM
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Your problem is that the 12, the 13 and the snare are all tuned to complimentary notes, so when one is struck, it makes the others "sing", because they're all harmonizing.
You can do one of three things...

1) Retune at least one of those drums so that the phenomena stops.
An old roadie's trick is to slightly loosen the 4 tension rods on the bottom of the snare drum, that are immediately next to each end of the wires.

...or...

2) Change the tension of the snare wires. This might stop the problem, but its easy to over-do and you can easily end up with a boxy and unsensitive snare drum.
What I suggest doing is hitting whichever tom seems to cause the problem more, repeatedly (just hard enough to get the problem to happen), while slowly tightening on the snare wires.
If you run out of adjustment on the strainer, then retune the snare drum and readjust the snare wire tension.


...or...

3) Don't worry about it. Drums vibrate. It happens and you're probably the only one or two people who even notice it.

When you're playing in a band, it all blends together and the audience won't even pick up on the snare buzz.
If you're in a recording situation and need a temporary fix, on the spot, you can tape the snares to the head while the snares are turned on (that is, if you don't have to turn the snares off during the song). Run a couple of strips of electrical tape across the snares about half way between the edge and the center of the head.
After the session's over, or if there's enough time between takes, pull the tape and work on retuning the heads.

DON'T CHEAT AND JUST TAPE THE WIRES. DO IT RIGHT AND WORK ON RETUNING AT LEAST ONE OF THOSE DRUMS.
One of these days you'll thank me, and yourself, for figuring out how to do it right.




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I tried re-tuning my snare and now it gggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg rattles whenever i hit any of my toms as well as my kick. Now im just pissed off, because i put it back to how it was and the whole thing has gone to shit. I cant seem to figure out any way to make it stop buzzing. ive been trying to fix this for two days. Ive tried all kinds of tunings on the batter top and the bottom skin and nothing. it has nothing to do with the tension of the snare wires either. i cant get a good sound out of it all of the sudden. i tried the rodie trick, the tape.. nothing. ohh yeah, im also broke so spending money is a no.

has this happened to anyone else? if so id like to hear from them.
but thank you anyways Elvis for your advice

EDIT: okay i got it in tune and everything, BUT the damn thing buzzes still, and it didnt two days ago. wtf? I am using a 13" Tom and a 16" floor tom and a 22' kick. They ALL make the snare buzz now and it is very stressfull. It needs to be fixed by this weekend for sure, but the sooner the better, because id like to use this week for practice and warm up. I am clueless.......... :(

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Old 03-31-2009, 09:33 AM
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Neverender,

Forgive me, for I just realized I may have overlooked something when I read about your dilemma.

Try placing your hand, flat, against the bottom head of the snare drum so that you're holding the wires, too.
Now try hitting the other drums and tell me if you still hear the buzzing noise.


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When i put my hand on the bottom, only my first (13") tom makes it buzz.
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Yeah, kinda figured.
It could be loose hardware, too.
Way back when, the springs inside the lugs used to rattle and buzz sometimes.
Drove some drummers nuts trying to figure out where the noise was coming from.
The old solution is to take cotton balls and stuff them inside the lugs.
Check to see if all the scews are tight first.
Sometimes its washers rattling against loose screw heads.

...or are you absolutely sure the buzz is coming from the snare wires.
If so, retune your 13. Seems to be the biggest offender.



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Hi! i have a mapex q series drumset (its cheap, but i really like the sound) which came with a 14'' wood snare. the thing is, i want it to sound really tight, but at the same time being able to make multibounce strokes without them sounding too detailed. what i mean by this is, if i don't tighten my snare drum and tighten the "snare hairs" (i dont know the english word for that part of the snare) i get this buzzy sound which i don't like after every stroke i make, but at the same time when i do a multibounce roll or a doble stroke before a single stroke fill, the multibouncxe roll sound too tight and, ironically as this might sound, i like the buzzy sound created by a multibounce roll or a doble strokes before a single stroke fill (instead of L-R-L-R, i make a double stroke before the fill so i goes rr-L-R-L-R)

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Thx!
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hey guys,

I am fairly new at this so pls take it easy on me. I own a yamaha stage custom all-birch kit and i really love it. However, for the snare, I've been trying to get this sound like tony royster, carter beauford or buddy rich's snare. I went to a music store and the guy said was the closest i can get to it is to buy evans drumhead genera dry and puresound equalizer snare wires.... which i did, but still no luck for me, i always get that vibrating/buzzing sound. Any suggestions? Or is it just my tuning?
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Hi! i have a mapex q series drumset (its cheap, but i really like the sound) which came with a 14'' wood snare. the thing is, i want it to sound really tight, but at the same time being able to make multibounce strokes without them sounding too detailed. what i mean by this is, if i don't tighten my snare drum and tighten the "snare hairs" (i dont know the english word for that part of the snare) i get this buzzy sound which i don't like after every stroke i make, but at the same time when i do a multibounce roll or a doble stroke before a single stroke fill, the multibouncxe roll sound too tight and, ironically as this might sound, i like the buzzy sound created by a multibounce roll or a doble strokes before a single stroke fill (instead of L-R-L-R, i make a double stroke before the fill so i goes rr-L-R-L-R)

Hope someone understood me...

Thx!
The figure you're talking about is (was?) called "lesson 25". Its a rudiment. Its the figure used in the song "The Little Drummer Boy".
Its basically a ruff followed by a single stroke roll.
As for your snare drum, check the placement of the snare wires.
Flip the drum over and loosen the "clamps" which hold the straps to the drum.
Allow the snare (what you call "snare hairs") to lay flat against the head, and make sure its situated in the middle of the head and also that it runs straight across the middle of the head.
Make sure the strainer is turned "off" and re-attach the straps to the "clamps" on the drum.
Then, flip it over and see how it plays.
If there's still too much sustain, you might need to muffle the batter head a little. Try placing a piece of duct tape across it, at the half way point between the middle and the edge of the head.
...you could also lay your wallet on it, biased to one side so its out of the way).
That should give you the sound you're looking for.
If the snare won't lay flat on the head, then it may be bent (or "warped") and you'd probably do best to get a new one (they're cheap. Just get a "snappy" snare. Its basically the same thing you have on there now).

Hope that helped.



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hey guys,

I am fairly new at this so pls take it easy on me. I own a yamaha stage custom all-birch kit and i really love it. However, for the snare, I've been trying to get this sound like tony royster, carter beauford or buddy rich's snare. I went to a music store and the guy said was the closest i can get to it is to buy evans drumhead genera dry and puresound equalizer snare wires.... which i did, but still no luck for me, i always get that vibrating/buzzing sound. Any suggestions? Or is it just my tuning?
WHY YOU LITTLE!....(just kidding).
It is important to remember that what you hear on a lot of recordings is not the "natural" sound of the drums, as they were being recorded.
Chances are very good that the drums being recorded probably sounded more like the boxes they came in, as opposed to the sound you heard on the finished product.
It sounds to me like you're looking for a very crisp and dry sound out of your snare drum.
To that end, make sure your snare is laying flat against the head and is centered, as I told "ak0uz", and try placing something on the batter head.
Then hit the center of the batter head with the stick. Use light-moderate force and pull the stick off the head as soon as you hit it.
Don't "pound" the snare drum.
That sound can be as much about technique as it is about setting the up the drum.
BTW, you can augment laying something on the batter head, by utilizing a pre-muffled batter head, such as an Aquarian Studio-X or a Remo PS3.
If the tone of the drum still doesn't agree with you, chances are pretty good then, that part of the sound you're looking for is inherit in the drum itself.
This means you may have to get another snare drum, or at least, change out the shell.
I'm fairly certain all 3 people you mentioned tend to prefer a certain type of metal shelled snare drum.
Hope that helps.


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...btw, ak0uz and jomster, you guys might also find this site to be of help - http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/index.html


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