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Old 02-27-2007, 06:17 PM
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Hi Gavin
I was just wondering if you would be coming to Spain with Porcupine Tree.So I could see you perform live with the rest of the band.
Oh! by the way if you're doing any clinics in Spain with SONOR. Let me know!
Cheers very much!!

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Old 02-27-2007, 08:23 PM
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Hey Gavin,

Heard the preview of the new PT album on myspace and it sounds fantastic... Cant wait to get that 5.1 version and turn it up very very loud ! So glad you guys are doing 5.1 mixes because I am spoiled on 5.1 music to the point where stereo sounds a little boring.

I wanted to ask you about timing. I have a lot of trouble playing with a click track it seems. I find myself coming out of fills a little bit off and my groove is just not there ! It's almost like the click is castrating my abilities or just messing with my head. Funny thing is that when I turn off the click and we record the tempo and groove sounds just fine as well as coming out of fills. I am no computer so I know the tracks do "breathe" a bit and are not perfectly metrical. Do you think this is a bad thing ? I mean if it sounds good to the listener isnt that good enough ? I know this is something I need to work on but I have to admit that I cant stand a click track in my ear. There must be another way to practice in metrical perfect time. Very excited about the new cd Gavin. You and Rush with new discs ?!? Alex Lifeson on the new PT ?!?!? Im giddy like a school girl !

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Old 02-27-2007, 09:34 PM
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Hi Gavin,
I have yet another question I'm afraid. I have a few PT boots and of course I own the official dvd but there is something seriously lacking from all the live shows...a bloody live solo mate! I know it's currently the done thing NOT to solo but myself and no doubt myriad others would love to hear one. Is there any official recordings that does feature a Gavin Harrison live solo? From any era of your career?...I'm not fussy.
Thanks for your time yet again.

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Old 02-27-2007, 11:33 PM
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H Gavin,

Love your drumming , really dig your style, sound and chops.

Watching you play I noticed that you sit rather low. Exactly the way I play drums. I find this the most balanced way to play.
Is this something you put a lot of thought in or did it just happen.
I heard Thomas Lang talk about having his knees a little lower than his hipjoints in order to play fast foot ostinato's. Do you think that your seat height affects your double bass playing or do you think this has no affect at all.

Maybe I'll be going to Frankfurt, so hopefully see you there
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:37 AM
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Hi Liquid_Drummer,
it depends who's listening. If you and your band mates think that it sounds fine then go ahead without a click. If you want to use sequencers and quantised keyboard/percussion parts - then you're going to have to get good at playing with a click. I know most producers would insist on recording with a click. The track can still breathe and have a nice feel even if you are playing with a click. The only way to get good at it is to really practice with it and really listen carefully to the results. You have to subdivide the beats correctly. If you find yourself out with the click after a fill - then you may have rushed it by not subdividing the beats properly.

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I wanted to ask you about timing. I have a lot of trouble playing with a click track it seems. I find myself coming out of fills a little bit off and my groove is just not there ! It's almost like the click is castrating my abilities or just messing with my head. Funny thing is that when I turn off the click and we record the tempo and groove sounds just fine as well as coming out of fills. I am no computer so I know the tracks do "breathe" a bit and are not perfectly metrical. Do you think this is a bad thing ? I mean if it sounds good to the listener isnt that good enough ?
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:48 AM
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Hi dannypenalver,
we have no plans at this moment for gigs in Spain - but we are going to tour Europe later this year - so let's hope so.

Hi Ogg,
I don't really do the classic type of 'drum solo' where everyone goes off the stage and leaves the drummer to play a huge solo for 20 minutes. I'd rather improvise over a section - such as the end of "Hatesong". I don't think I've done the classic solo since my Renaissance days in 1983.

Hi Drizzle,
Yes I like to sit low - 19.5 inches to be precise - I've tried many different heights but that feels just right to me. I've always preferred the feeling of sitting behind the kit rather than on top of it - but each to his own. I know I can't play the pedals as well if I sit a lot higher.

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Old 02-28-2007, 07:08 PM
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Hi Gavin.
Just got your Rhythmic Visions DVD. Very interesting and answers a lot of queston for me personally. I notice that, on this occasion at least, your playing is quite light. Is that important when playing with such precision? Do you tend to be a light player in general and do you think such well executed grooves and fills can be accomplished by a heavy handed drummer? I've played loud heavy rock for so many years I find it difficult NOT to hit the drums hard which may prove to be a handicap when it comes to more subtle, clever chops etc. Lastly, is that a Delite kit your using on the DVD? Nice tuning!
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Old 02-28-2007, 07:56 PM
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Hey Gavin-

Got a quick question (You have probably answered this before) how many cotton balls do you place inside your toms for the sound you want? is it personal preference?

I heard the sound bites for the new Cd off of PT's myspace...can't wait till the release so to PURCHASE PT's songs and not DL illegally. Sorry, I'm just tired of the illegal DL's.

Have a GREAT day GH!

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Old 03-01-2007, 02:47 AM
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Gavin,

After watching your drummer world clips about 50 times over the last month I could no longer resist and purchased rhythmic horizons. I had planed on getting both however rhythmic visions appears to be out of stock. Any idea when there may me more copies available ? Cant wait to sink my teeth in to some new inspiration !
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Old 03-01-2007, 01:00 PM
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Hi Pywacket,
I think because I recorded it at home - that's the kind of volume I tend to play at when I'm practising. I know that when I play in a band I tend play much louder (and usually regret it after the first few songs). It very hard to resist when you've got the adrenaline rushing round.
On that first DVD "Rhythmic Visions" I think I'm using Vic Firth 5a Extreme - when I play with Porcupine Tree I use Vic Firth Rock Hickory which are about three times bigger.
I think you lose some articulation when you start hitting much harder - but if you're playing rock music you need the heavy intention - otherwise it doesn't come across properly. So you have to work harder to make LOUD backbeats and (not so quiet) ghost notes cut through.
Yes it is a Sonor DeLight on that DVD.

Hi crookedrook,
I'm now trying something different in the floor tom. I've made a few "zero" rings out of old drum skins - and I lay one inside the 14" floor. It's the same principle as with the cotton wool - it should act as a subtle 'gate' by moving off the head and then resting on it again. I made a few of different sizes to find the right amount of muting.

Hi Liquid_Drummer,
I don't know when I will have some more "Rhythmic Visions" in stock. You may find that DVD elsewhere - it is on general release. Hope you enjoy Rhythmic Horizons.

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Old 03-01-2007, 04:33 PM
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Thanks "G-man" for the info. I have quite a few old heads to experiment with.

Have a great day!.
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Old 03-01-2007, 04:54 PM
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Hey Liquid_ Drummer. I got Visions off Amazon last week. It got the juices flowing and I'm now eager to get my hands on Horizons and tickets for PT's Bristol gig in April.
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Old 03-01-2007, 07:40 PM
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I hope it gets the juices flowing for me as well. I need some inspiration big time. I have not felt any growth in my drumming in a long time. Well I take that back. I was working on the moeller and my left hand was starting to come alive in traditional grip however this was all practice pad work and when I began to apply it to the kit I found that I cant stand playing technical hard rock in traditional grip. Seems that the improved speed and rebound techinques I had been working on for my left hand weakness do not transfer over to matched grip very well. Well, to make a long story short I am going to use this dvd as a foundation for some reinvention. Due to my job I just dont get to play everyday like I used to so I have a practice pad at work and on my lunch I sit in the stairwell and practice to the amusment of my co-workers. I feel stale behind the kit and I think that Gavin's ideas are just what I need injected in to my brain !!
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Old 03-01-2007, 07:41 PM
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Old 03-01-2007, 11:32 PM
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Couldn't agree more with that last sentence. I use practice pad, acoustic kit and a TD20 electric set up and each feels totally different.The rudiments I can do around the kit on the Roland with it's, imo, ott bounce I find difficult when behind the acoustic kit. The power I can play with on the acoustic is sadly lacking on the electric. For me at the moment, trying desperately to re-invent my drumming, it's a trade off and I'm seriously considering kicking the electric stuff into touch and concentrating on real heads only.
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Old 03-02-2007, 12:23 AM
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wow, excellent to see Gavin himself here~

what an inspiring drummer! Love your work with PT, and I've recently learned that you worked with Mick Karn, another favorite of mine.
I've found your work VERY inspiring of late, I really dig the concepts and design aspects involved in your style. Motivating to no end!
Hoping to catch a show eventually.

just wanted to express some admiration- no one has moved me to work harder in the studio lately than GH!
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Old 03-02-2007, 11:42 AM
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Hi xush,
thanks for the kind words !

Cheers
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Old 03-02-2007, 05:59 PM
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Anyone looking to get Rhythmic Visions can find it on amazon.com. Mine will be delivered today ! Cant wait !

Gavin,

I read that you sat low on the throne. 19.5 inches ? Just curious, how tall are you ? I am wondering if I can get better pedal action by trying different throne heights.
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Old 03-02-2007, 06:50 PM
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Hi Liquid_Drummer,
I'm 6' 1"

Hope you enjoy "Visions"

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Old 03-02-2007, 06:56 PM
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Damn...I knew you were tall but I didnt expect you to be that tall at the height you sit!

I'm 6'5" and if I try and play on a low stool I start getting cramps in my thigh muscles....whats your secret?!
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Old 03-03-2007, 01:46 AM
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Gavin,

Just watched the Rhythmic Visions DVD and I am really blown away. This is a whole new way to think about time for me. The section on subdivions really made a light go on in my head. A mild epihinay if you will.

As for your performance......

A night in Tunsia was performed with all of the feel, acuracy and dynamics of a jazz legend ! I love jazz and I watch lots of live video with Steve Smith, Dave Weckl, etc as a learning tool and I have to say that you are right up there with them for sure. Have you ever performed with a jazz treo ?

Rythmic Horizons is on the way and I cant wait.

Thanks for the inspiration !
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Old 03-03-2007, 07:31 PM
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Hey Gavin,

My band recently recorded an album, and I must say it is a little sloppy. We have some tempo changes and so we do not play with a click, perhaps that is the key to why it is sloppy.

I would like to know how PT goes about recording everything. Do you guys play all together in a room isolated so there is no instruments bleeding on other mics? Do you guys record to a click one by one and layer it? Does Steven Wilson have his guitar record straight to the computer? or is it through an amp and a mic?

Please just run me through your recording procoss for Deadwing or the new album or both. It'll be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
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Old 03-04-2007, 03:51 AM
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Hey Gavin-

I just gave your suggestion a try about the rings for the inside of the floor toms and also did it for the 1-2&3 tom as well. I tore all the toms and floor toms down and re-tuned them. Since my drums are DW's I still had the old factory heads that came with them, the heads were clear with rings. I cut the solid white ring out of the drum head and placed it inside all the toms plus the floor toms and they sound good. I had to place some cotton balls in the floor toms with the rings becaue of some subtle over tone, but got the sound I wanted-I didn't have to do that with the 3 higher toms though.
Just wanted to say, "Thanks for the suggestion" it did wonders for the over-all tone and sound of my drums.

Thanks,
Rob



Hi crookedrook,
I'm now trying something different in the floor tom. I've made a few "zero" rings out of old drum skins - and I lay one inside the 14" floor. It's the same principle as with the cotton wool - it should act as a subtle 'gate' by moving off the head and then resting on it again. I made a few of different sizes to find the right amount of muting.
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Old 03-05-2007, 03:37 PM
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Hey Gavin,

is it true that Porcupine Tree will play at the Southside-Festival in Germany? That would be a dream coming true. I totally love your work! I can't find any more words that describe how I'm looking forward to see you along with other great bands as the Queens of the Stone Age.

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Old 03-05-2007, 07:25 PM
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Hello Gavin,
i just signed up DW, to let you know, that you are an exceptional creative motivator for all musicians. I say all musicians, because actually i'm a classical musician who makes his living from playing the lute (and no, i didn't play on the new Sting album ;-)).
I started playing drums about 6 months ago, actually to solve some metrical problems i have, playing especially modern music. And you released exactly the lessons (in form of your book, the dvd's i just ordered) i needed to get over it!! I would have never get a proper training to solve this problems, without your help! I'm so glad i started playing drums and get to know your work.
Thank you very much for your help and motivation!
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Old 03-06-2007, 01:56 AM
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hi Gavin

I meant to ask you before if you studied Rick Gratton's book "Rick's Licks" and if so, what did you think of the book. The reason I ask is that some of your fills have a Gratton style to them. I just picked the book up and haven't started it yet. :-)
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Old 03-06-2007, 11:12 AM
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Hi Afrolicious,
yes it's true.


23rd June - Southside Festival, Neuhausen, Germany
(PT to appear for a 60 minute main stage performance at approximately 4.30pm). Bill also includes Pearl Jam, Sonic Youth, Kings of Leon.

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is it true that Porcupine Tree will play at the Southside-Festival in Germany? That would be a dream coming true. I totally love your work! I can't find any more words that describe how I'm looking forward to see you along with other great bands as the Queens of the Stone Age.

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Old 03-06-2007, 12:21 PM
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Hey Gavin!
Im new to the forum and just saw youre really caring about your fans. Thats great.
As I am also just getting into PT and your drumming, Im really blown away by what you do with those drums! AWESOME!
About to order your educational stuff...
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Thx for the quick answer. There are lots of great bands there, but it's already worth it for Kings of Leon, Queens of the Stone Age and of course Porcupine Tree.
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Old 03-06-2007, 04:56 PM
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Hello Gavin!

I'm a huge fan of your playing, your band, your studio, everything!

But! I'm building out my own studio. In the "studio" clip on the site of Porcupine Tree, in a part of that clip, I saw you talking to the singer and telling him that you were thinking about industrial drums. I don't know if you remember this ...

I saw you use a Mackie 32:8 console. My question is, has it flying faders or something, am I missing something, because in that part of the clip you changed the volume on the Mackie panel and not on the computer.

Can you explain this to me, how your panel is connected ...

I'm not getting this ...

Great to have talked to you!

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Old 03-06-2007, 05:09 PM
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Hi Sam,

"I saw you use a Mackie 32:8 console. My question is, has it flying faders or something, am I missing something, because in that part of the clip you changed the volume on the Mackie panel and not on the computer.

Can you explain this to me, how your panel is connected .."


Yes I use a 32:8 Mackie. I had the track coming up two channels of the desk and the "industrial drums" (which Steve looks so unimpressed by *) coming up another two channels. I just reached over and turned them up. No mystery no flying faders. The faders aren't controlling Logic at all.

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* A couple of years later he said that he really liked the idea.
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Ow, ok cool ... just as I walked in my studio I thaught of that. :D

Do you have some future gigs in Belgium? I'dd really love to see you guys live.

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Old 03-08-2007, 12:59 AM
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Hey Gavin,

Just received Rhytmic Horizons, and I love it.

Especially the Polyrhythmic Theory section opened some new insights for me in playing (counting) odd-time signatures.

The overriding Section got me thinking - how do you count 7/8?
I know some people count it in a half time way like 1-2-3-and1-2-3-and1.
Wich in 5/8 would be 1-2-and1 etc.

I know you probably don't count or need to count, but how would you do it in the past.

And wich book do you feel you learned the most from? I read somewhere you talking about New Breed by Gary Chester.

Thanks for giving the opportunity for asking questions.

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Old 03-08-2007, 02:02 PM
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Hi Drizzle,
glad you're enjoying the Rhythmic Horizons DVD.

I don't really count the 7/8 I just sing it to myself using sounds like this Da-un-Da-un-Da-un-a
- it's very similar to an Indian way of counting. When it gets fast I just think of the "Da Da Da.." which represents the 1st, 3rd and 5th accents of every 7.

I got a lot from working through the systems that you can apply to the Ted Reed "Syncopation" book. I probably worked more at that than any other book when I was young.

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Old 03-08-2007, 04:20 PM
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Hey Gavin,

I read somewhere that you have 11 drumchannels. How do you split them up? Or can you record 11 seperate channels?

Most mixers, like mine, can only record 8 channels at once.


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Old 03-08-2007, 05:02 PM
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Hi Sam,
recently I've been recording 16 tracks of drums.

Bass Drum (SM91)
Bass Drum (Audix D6)
Snare Top (Audix i5)
Snare Bottom (SM57)
Hi Hat (AKG CK391)
Tom1 (Sennheiser 421)
Tom2 (Sennheiser 421)
Tom3 (Sennheiser 421)
Tom4 (Sennheiser 421)
Tom5 (Sennheiser 421)
Overheads (Pair of Royer 122's)
Close Ambience (Pair of Neumann TLM 103's)
Distant Ambience (Pair of Schoeps CMC5's)

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Old 03-08-2007, 09:28 PM
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I supose that is over 8 busses?

Or can you record 16 seperate tracks? In that case, WOW! ^^

How do you manage to put such huge 421 mics on that set with all those cymbals.

Do maybe have some new pics in your studio? I love those type of pics.

Thank you for answering my weird questions!

Sam

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Old 03-09-2007, 12:08 AM
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Hi Sam,
on the Mackie 32:8 there are 'direct outputs' of every channel. So if you want - you can have 32 outputs going to the computer or whatever you're recording to.

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Old 03-09-2007, 08:47 AM
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Owwww. That sounds nice.

Thanks for explaining Gavin! You're the man!
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Old 03-14-2007, 10:15 PM
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Default Re: Gavin Harrison here!

hey. the BD "ruffs" in Mother and Child have such a great feel.. i think you said those are triplets.. i can only take your word on it, because i just cant figure them out.

the modulation in even less (the full version), and the (so symmetrical, yet beautiful) groove in sound of muzak make me want to cry in happiness. please keep creating beautiful ways to play the drums.

sorry for my english
ze, from portugal
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