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Old 08-11-2010, 07:35 PM
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Hi Gavin,

Hope your having great time coming back in North America, can't wait to see you guys at the Radio City Music Hall. We'll be a bunch of friends travelling all the way down from Quebec City to see you live there!

I have a few questions for you! First, I read somewhere on the internet that, you read Effortless Mastery by Kenny Werner, im currently reading it. What's your opinion on it? did it changed your vision of music and achievements in some ways? How did it changed your playing?

And last, im part of a progressive/metal band here in Quebec, and we're currently recording our first album, at the beginning of the recording the producer told us that the drums would be triggered, I didn't really like the experience of it but still the drums will sound great (in some ways...) Have you ever recorded while being triggered? What's your opinion on it?

And by the way thanks for making me discover Everything Everything im really enjoying their music!

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Old 08-12-2010, 04:29 AM
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Hey Mr. Harrison,

I have 2 quick questions. I read some where that you have read the book "Effortless Mastery" by Kenny Werner. And I was wondering if you use the techniques described in the book? Like letting your hands play and you watching, or not thinking just playing?

Also I have read that you don't like "O-rings" on top of your drums so you put the rings inside. Do you put a O-ring on the inside of your snare?

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Old 08-12-2010, 06:19 PM
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Hi Gavin,

About the remastered "Up the Downstair" album - For starters, I love what you did on that album. I know you didn't stray too far from what Steven had programmed on the original, but it definitely has your unmistakable style and feel.

I was wondering about your thoughts on replacing drums that already exists like that. In particular, I am curious about "Always Never" - did you play that to a click? It must have been fairly difficult to do considering the tempo ramping up at the end of the song (or maybe not). During your career, have you been asked to replace drums on tracks very often? If so, has it always been to a click?

I've been called into the studio a number of times to replace drums already cut to songs, but these have always been songs that unfortunately were NOT recorded with a click in the first place, and it isn't always easy making it feel smooth and natural.

Good luck on the North American tour!

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Old 08-12-2010, 08:55 PM
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Hi SantiBanks

If some distraction is welcome I suggest checking out young female bassplayer Tal Wilkenfeld. I think you might like her…

Yeah Tal is amazing.

Hi Fox622003

Gavin, have you seen that excerpt from Billy Ward's DVD where he does a tour of different and influential jazz drummers?

Thanks for the link. Billy is great - and what a nice guy too. I met him at the Modern Drummer Fest in 2008 and he played brilliantly.

Hi euphoric_anomaly

There's a fill you do in "Beyond the A" @ 1:47 that is somewhat confusing. It sounds to me like your doing a double on the bass, a double on the toms, followed by a double snare shot. It's a very clever fill and I can't stop listening to it/air drumming to it.

The best I can say is to see the transcription that Terry Branam made in the book. I know it's pretty fast and there's a lot of notes in it. Other than that I can't really tell you how to play it.

Hi ProgJazzy(QC)

I have a few questions for you! First, I read somewhere on the internet that, you read Effortless Mastery by Kenny Werner, im currently reading it. What's your opinion on it? did it changed your vision of music and achievements in some ways? How did it changed your playing?


Yes I really like that book. Being in the right frame of mind is so important. It really makes a big difference to your performance.

And last, im part of a progressive/metal band here in Quebec, and we're currently recording our first album, at the beginning of the recording the producer told us that the drums would be triggered, I didn't really like the experience of it but still the drums will sound great (in some ways...) Have you ever recorded while being triggered? What's your opinion on it?

Will the drums be triggered in post production or 'as you're playing'? I don't really like triggers and usually to get them to sound good you need to really take a lot of time and care in post production. Sometimes it can sound good if you blend the triggered sample along with the real sound - but in my experience it only sounds convincing on the bass drum.

Hi yothatswack

you have read the book "Effortless Mastery" by Kenny Werner. And I was wondering if you use the techniques described in the book? Like letting your hands play and you watching, or not thinking just playing?


I like to observe the hands. That's a nice state to be in.

Also I have read that you don't like "O-rings" on top of your drums so you put the rings inside. Do you put a O-ring on the inside of your snare?

No - I like an "O" ring on the top of the snare drum - occasionally I might put some on the top of the toms if it suits the song. I have placed one on the inside of a 14" floor tom that I though was sustaining too much. I've never put one inside a snare drum.

Hi KevShephard

I was wondering about your thoughts on replacing drums that already exists like that. In particular, I am curious about "Always Never" - did you play that to a click? During your career, have you been asked to replace drums on tracks very often? If so, has it always been to a click?

Yes there was a click on that song. I've replaced many drum machine parts in my time - sometimes people just want exactly what was there before - other times they ask you to branch out a little. Replacing real drums is a little harder because of the way that the drummer made the track feel and the way all the other musicians played to them. Sometimes I've replaced real drums that weren't played to a click and usually it's a very difficult thing to do. No two drummers really feel the time in the same way.

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Old 08-13-2010, 12:57 AM
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Hi Gavin,

You said that you use a O-ring in your 14" tom to "gate" it. Is this ring out of paper or out of foil?

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Old 08-13-2010, 02:35 PM
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Hi Gavin,

Glad you liked Tal. Check out her solo album (difficult to order as hard copy in Europe but available at iTunes).

I just placed my pre-order for the circles dvd-a. Who did the surround mix on that one? Did you do it yourself? Steve? Looking forward to it :) Never thought this album would be available in 5.1 so I'm very happy to see it's released in the dvd-a format.
Will Drop get the same treatment?

And a question on the subject of kickdrum mics. You use the audix D6 for sometime now. I was wondering what mics you used before switching to audix and what your thoughts about those where (if you can still remember).

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Old 08-15-2010, 12:09 AM
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Hi,


I have problems with holding a simple groove.

Sometimes I have to play slower ballads like 6/8 or 4/4 with tempo 60-75,but it`s very hard to hold the energy and keep exact time.Some tunes need a simple 8th note based beat. It`s simple to add some ghost notes or play 16th`s with hi hat - it makes my groove easier to play.
When playing the groove on ride cymbal,always my left foot plays 8th`s or 4th with it,because it comfortable and gives me the metronome type thing.

Can you get some advice? What to think in my head-16th or 8th note off beat? What to listen?

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Old 08-15-2010, 03:40 AM
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Hey Gavin,

I read you previous comment about Roland V drums. But have you seen the semi-new TD-20KX? It really appears to be taking electronic drums to a whole new level. I myself am not a fan of them, but if I ever have to move into an apartment then I might have to become one!

Anyways thought I share this:
http://www.roland.com/products/en/TD-20KX/

Check out a great demo video here:
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Old 08-15-2010, 03:53 AM
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Thanks for the reply, Gavin!

I don't know if this has been asked here yet (I can't find it when I search back), but I'll shoot. Having seen you guys on The Incident tour twice (mind-blowing!!), and absolutely LOVING the Anesthetize Bluray, I was wondering if you were aware of any plans to eventually release a DVD/Bluray of The Incident tour.

Thanks again! You are truly an inspiration!

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Old 08-16-2010, 01:31 AM
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Hi Gavin thanks for the reply,

to answer your question:

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Will the drums be triggered in post production or 'as you're playing'?
The drums will be triggered as Im playing, i think too that the bass drum is quite convincing but still id rather play on real drums. i didn't like at all the feel on the snare, they're was some velocity but the difference between ghosts notes and rim shots was not convincing at all. I had trouble playing some great ghosts notes, so there's only a few of them through all the songs.

willregnier : Yes my band has a myspace www.myspace.com/innerodyssey but the only song available yet is poor quality because i had to record over bass, guitars and keyboards without any metronome.... but still new material is on is way once we finished recording our album! And yeah Riverside is such an amazing band Mariuz Duda is such a great composer and frontman !!!!
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Old 08-16-2010, 06:26 AM
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Hi tobiashula

You said that you use a O-ring in your 14" tom to "gate" it. Is this ring out of paper or out of foil?

no it's just a plastic drum head cut up - like most O rings.

Hi SantiBanks

I just placed my pre-order for the circles dvd-a. Who did the surround mix on that one?
Jakko Jakszyk - a good friend of mine.

Will Drop get the same treatment?


I hope so.

And a question on the subject of kickdrum mics. You use the audix D6 for sometime now. I was wondering what mics you used before switching to audix and what your thoughts about those where (if you can still remember).

I used to use the Beyer M88 (which I still like) but the diaphragms do blow out after a few years. I've used Shure SM91 and Beta91. I prefer the SM91 - it's quite different in tone to the 'beta' version. At the moment with PT live I use two SM91's in my bass drum. EQ'd for different sounds. I never really got on with the Beta52 or D12 very well. The EV RE20 is quite nice - but hard to place as it's so big and heavy.

Hi GORKI

Sometimes I have to play slower ballads like 6/8 or 4/4 with tempo 60-75,but it`s very hard to hold the energy and keep exact time.Some tunes need a simple 8th note based beat. It`s simple to add some ghost notes or play 16th`s with hi hat - it makes my groove easier to play.
When playing the groove on ride cymbal,always my left foot plays 8th`s or 4th with it,because it comfortable and gives me the metronome type thing.
Can you get some advice? What to think in my head-16th or 8th note off beat? What to listen?


when playing slower tempos you really need to subdivide the beat. If I had to play quarter notes at 60bpm - then I would be singing 16ths to myself and maybe tapping my left foot in 8ths.

Hi gibeachhead

I read you previous comment about Roland V drums. But have you seen the semi-new TD-20KX? It really appears to be taking electronic drums to a whole new level. I myself am not a fan of them, but if I ever have to move into an apartment then I might have to become one!

Sorry but I don't know this kit. I'm not really a fan of electronic drums. I thought they actually showed more promise in the early days with Simmonds and Syndrum because they were not trying to emulate acoustic drums. They had unique sounds that were percussive but new. If the problem is a noise issue - then I can understand that playing an electronic kit in an apartment could be a reasonable solution.

Hi KevShephard

I was wondering if you were aware of any plans to eventually release a DVD/Bluray of The Incident tour.

We did capture it - but we have no plans to release it anytime soon.

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Old 08-16-2010, 06:38 AM
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I have a question about mindsets. I understand the importance of involving one's mindset when approaching a musical situation. I find, sometimes, I'll come into a situation feeling like a musician. Other times, I come in feeling like a drummer. Do you find there's anything you have to think about (might be unrelated to music at all) that helps you focus on music?

There was something else I was wondering as well. I had a discussion with a teacher of mine about "musical practicing". My feeling, at the time, was that practice itself should be separate from music. I can understand where musical creativity and ideas can result in and from a practical idea or method. But, for the life of me, I still can't understand how practicing exercises can be applied outside of disciplining the technical aspect of drumming. I'm always focused on me. I use a metronome to know I'm in time. But, I can't focus on music when I'm listening to the consistency of my sound, my time or my technique. If I'm playing music, there's no room to worry about those things. Is there really such a thing as, "musical practicing?"
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Old 08-16-2010, 10:52 AM
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Hi Gavin,

I was just a bit trying get a good Snare Sound on my Sonor Artist Snare. (14*5 Vintage Maple).

I have a Remo CS SnareHead and still the Sonor Bottomhead..

My problem is, when I get a (i think) good snare sound, so the snares don't buzz when I hit a tom and so on, my Tophead has quite a low tension, so it's really hard to play buzz-rolls and this stuff..

Can you tell me what tension your top- and bottomhead mostly has?
I think they're very tight but I couldn't get it from your Rhythmic Designs DVD as you didn't mentioned the tension you use.
Also the SnareWires, you said you always have the Snares very tight, so you get a very articular snare sound and great sounding ghost-notes. When I tight my SnareWires on to much I get them buzzing even when I have the Snares turned off.

How is your approach on tuning SnareDrums?

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Old 08-18-2010, 08:59 PM
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Hey there Gavin,

I've posted in the past and I've gotta say this is really awesome what you're doing here. I'd imagine you're a very busy guy and yet you've taken the time to answer 118 pages of questions. I don't know of many other people in your position that would do much of that.

So, thank you.

I wanted to say I absolutely LOVED Porcupine Tree's set at The Joint in Las Vegas. That weekend I saw five bands... You guys, Coheed and Cambria, your other opening band, Rush, and Primus. Out of all of the drums, yours by far sounded the best. Its definitely close between you and Neil, but yours took the cake. Always so tasty!

I had a few questions too if you would be so kind :)

Were you guys intending to do an encore but were cut short?

Did you have any time to check out Vegas? The last few shows I saw at The Joint I met the guys from the band just hanging out in the casino somewhere. It was pretty damn cool.

So, thanks again for a memorable evening, and your time! I hope to be seeing you drum again real soon!


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Old 08-18-2010, 09:28 PM
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Hi Drummin_Dan

I have a question about mindsets. I understand the importance of involving one's mindset when approaching a musical situation. I find, sometimes, I'll come into a situation feeling like a musician. Other times, I come in feeling like a drummer. Do you find there's anything you have to think about (might be unrelated to music at all) that helps you focus on music?

I always feel like a musician - I can't separate the two. What's just a 'drummer' ? I feel like I'm there to make music. The instrument has no meaning to me without 'music'.

There was something else I was wondering as well. I had a discussion with a teacher of mine about "musical practicing". My feeling, at the time, was that practice itself should be separate from music. I can understand where musical creativity and ideas can result in and from a practical idea or method. But, for the life of me, I still can't understand how practicing exercises can be applied outside of disciplining the technical aspect of drumming.

I need to feel articulate when I'm playing - and practising exercises are going to help me achieve a level of articulation and control when I'm playing in a musical situation. Maybe I have an idea in my head for a certain phrase but my hands or feet just can't 'say' it. I'm not totally clear about your definition of 'musical practising'.

I'm always focused on me. I use a metronome to know I'm in time. But, I can't focus on music when I'm listening to the consistency of my sound, my time or my technique. If I'm playing music, there's no room to worry about those things. Is there really such a thing as, "musical practicing?"

I think when you're on stage and playing in a band situation you should just focus on the music and forget about technique. Your technique needs to be at a level that it doesn't require constant attention. A lot of the basic things should be happening subconsciously.

Hi Kalma

I have a Remo CS SnareHead and still the Sonor Bottomhead..
My problem is, when I get a (i think) good snare sound, so the snares don't buzz when I hit a tom and so on, my Tophead has quite a low tension, so it's really hard to play buzz-rolls and this stuff..
Can you tell me what tension your top- and bottomhead mostly has?
I think they're very tight but I couldn't get it from your Rhythmic Designs DVD as you didn't mentioned the tension you use.


As you'll have seen on that DVD the important thing is to make sure that the tuning of your snare is a good distance in pitch away from your toms. Otherwise you'll get sympathetic vibration and that will cause the snare wires to rattle. You'll never get rid of it totally but you can improve it by careful tuning. I guess my snare head is on pretty tight and the top head is on a medium/tight tuning.

Also the SnareWires, you said you always have the Snares very tight, so you get a very articular snare sound and great sounding ghost-notes. When I tight my SnareWires on to much I get them buzzing even when I have the Snares turned off.

Yes unless you have a snare throw off that has a very long drop - it can happen. But I spend 99% of the time with the snares on - so it's a trade off I'm willing to make.

Hi Dont Taze Me Bro

I wanted to say I absolutely LOVED Porcupine Tree's set at The Joint in Las Vegas. That weekend I saw five bands... You guys, Coheed and Cambria, your other opening band, Rush, and Primus. Out of all of the drums, yours by far sounded the best. Its definitely close between you and Neil, but yours took the cake. Always so tasty!

great - thanks!

Were you guys intending to do an encore but were cut short?

We haven't had time to play an encore on this tour.

Did you have any time to check out Vegas?


Yes we've been a couple of times before. After the show four of us went down the strip and walked about for a couple of hours.

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Old 08-18-2010, 10:11 PM
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Nice! Really looking forward to it :) And good to see you are still good friends with Jakko. I loved your Dizrhytmia project and of course the level42 stuff (and I really hope to see you two on tour with level42 again someday…)
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Cool! I'll preorder it if it comes out someday :)

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I used to use the Beyer M88 (which I still like) but the diaphragms do blow out after a few years. I've used Shure SM91 and Beta91. I prefer the SM91 - it's quite different in tone to the 'beta' version. At the moment with PT live I use two SM91's in my bass drum. EQ'd for different sounds. I never really got on with the Beta52 or D12 very well. The EV RE20 is quite nice - but hard to place as it's so big and heavy.
Thanks for that! Interesting to see another vote for the M88. I only knew it as "the" Phil Collins mic (for his voice, not his kit AFAIK) but there are some engineers that like it a lot on kick.

Was the SM91 used for the "Atlanta" record? Your kick tone is a bit different from the one I hear on the Tilburg dvd (Atlanta has a bit more lows and boom) The EV RE20 is on my wishlist but sadly too expensive. The Beyer might be what I'm looking for.
Thanks a lot again for your detailed answer!

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Old 08-19-2010, 06:11 AM
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Hey Gavin! Just wanted to say that I'll be seeing Porcupine Tree for the first time this Friday in Memphis, and I'm very excited about it! My friend Mark is also coming with me and he's also a big fan and a drummer too. Hope the show goes really well, and that you guys have better conditions there then at the other recent venues. (I've seen the Facebook posts. lol)

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Hello again Gavin,
I've been wondering about the drumparts in Anesthesize near the last chorus (the "total chaos" bit before the last chorus). It sounds like you have eight feet at your disposal but I read that you usually use bursts of two, three or four bassdrums. I've tried "faking" it by sneaking in a floortom between a burst of two bassdrums so you get a continuous triplet. Sounds OK but I would like to know how it's done "officially".
BTW, I got the Wavedrum for my birthday. That's one amazing piece of equipment, thanks for the insight!
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Hello again Gavin,
I've been wondering about the drumparts in Anesthesize near the last chorus (the "total chaos" bit before the last chorus). It sounds like you have eight feet at your disposal but I read that you usually use bursts of two, three or four bassdrums. I've tried "faking" it by sneaking in a floortom between a burst of two bassdrums so you get a continuous triplet. Sounds OK but I would like to know how it's done "officially".
BTW, I got the Wavedrum for my birthday. That's one amazing piece of equipment, thanks for the insight!
Cheers,
Ivar
But are you playing with a double pedal? Because unless it's really fast, there's not much sense in using a double pedal or two bass drums for that. You should practice more with it if you can't play more than two notes, I think, if you want to really take advantage of your double pedal, anyway.
As for that part, it's been transcribed several times.

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But are you playing with a double pedal? Because unless it's really fast, there's not much sense in using a double pedal or two bass drums for that. You should practice more with it if you can't play more than two notes, I think, if you want to really take advantage of your double pedal, anyway.
As for that part, it's been transcribed several times. Live, it's something like this:
Hey there Fox,
I'm not a double-bass hero but I CAN play more than two notes on it yes ;-)
The transcription is very clear, thanks for that!
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Hello Gavin,

Thank you very much for responding to my last question about the fill in Mellotron Scratch. I have another rather bizarre question for you. My girlfriend is a Harpist, and I played her 19 Days, and she made a comment how she thought a harp would have a place in that song. I was actually wondering if there was a transcription of the Piano part available somewhere that we could have a look at.

Looking forward to seeing you in Grand Rapids! You guys were amazing in Chicago and Detroit in May and April. It was also my first date with my girlfriend the show in Detroit, We could not stop laughing before the end of Trains where you stood up and did that magic trick. Not to mention, you guys got me listening to Showaddywaddy. Also, her first comment after the show was, "I can see why you like Gavin so much, he is phenomenal."
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My girlfriend is a Harpist, and I played her 19 Days, and she made a comment how she thought a harp would have a place in that song. I was actually wondering if there was a transcription of the Piano part available somewhere that we could have a look at.
I'm a piano player and I'm learning the song by ear. I might be able to transcribe it in leadsheet format (which means chords and basic melodies).
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Old 08-20-2010, 07:27 AM
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Hey Gavin!

Hope you don't get entirely cooked in the heat!

I just wanted to ask: exactly what backing tracks comes with the rhythmic horizons dvd? Also, are there both click tracks and tracks excluding click?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 08-20-2010, 12:38 PM
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Got to say Porcupine Tree playing Showaddywaddy sounds great fun.

Loved them when I was 11-12, even though in retrospect they weren't exactly top players!

They had two drummers but it's fair to say they wouldn't have worried Chester Thompson and Phil Collins.

Would love to hear what you did to Under The Moon of Love...
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Hey Gavin, what do you think about Roto Toms? I was thinking in buying the Remo ones, you don't necessarily need to have experience with them. But pretty much, there's not one professional player I know of using them. I just think they would be a nice addition to the left side of my kit, instead of a second snare, or add-on tom. But my main questions are generally if they have an application in all-around music (personally, I think they are very versatile, and can be used both for beats and fills, and for effects), and if you know why not one pro endorsing Remo uses them (that I've seen, anyway). And how would you mic them, Snare, or Tom mic (and would you actually mic them individually? Or let them run through the overheads?)?
All the best, and hope I can make it to the Radio City Music Hall in September!


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Hi Ivarus

I've been wondering about the drumparts in Anesthesize near the last chorus (the "total chaos" bit before the last chorus). It sounds like you have eight feet at your disposal but I read that you usually use bursts of two, three or four bassdrums.

thanks to Fox for finding a transcription - but there's some mistakes in it. In between every snare hit there should be the four bass drum notes.

Hi Venimal

Thank you very much for responding to my last question about the fill in Mellotron Scratch. I have another rather bizarre question for you. My girlfriend is a Harpist, and I played her 19 Days, and she made a comment how she thought a harp would have a place in that song. I was actually wondering if there was a transcription of the Piano part available somewhere that we could have a look at.


On the DVD Rhythmic Horizons - there is a midi file of all the music. If you have music software that can read a midi file - you should be able to see and print out the piano part.

Hi anders_slåke

I just wanted to ask: exactly what backing tracks comes with the rhythmic horizons dvd? Also, are there both click tracks and tracks excluding click?

The only playalong backing track on that DVD is "19 Days". There are some other odd time mp3 loops to play over as well.

Hi Fox622003

what do you think about Roto Toms? I was thinking in buying the Remo ones, you don't necessarily need to have experience with them. And how would you mic them, Snare, or Tom mic (and would you actually mic them individually? Or let them run through the overheads?)?

I bought some Roto Toms in 1979 and recently I found them in my garage completely rusted so I dumped them. Can't say I've played them in at least 28 years so I figured I could live without them. You can mic them anyway you want - but they do sound very thin.

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I just wanted to ask: exactly what backing tracks comes with the rhythmic horizons dvd? Also, are there both click tracks and tracks excluding click?

The only playalong backing track on that DVD is "19 Days". There are some other odd time mp3 loops to play over as well.

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Is the "19 Days" backing with or without click?

Thanks in advance!
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thanks to Fox for finding a transcription - but there's some mistakes in it. In between every snare hit there should be the four bass drum notes.
Oh, actually, the transcription is mine, I really thought it wasn't *always* four 32nds, and you stopped in that beat. Alright then, sorry about that. Here's the corrected version.
Thanks for the info on Roto Toms, I'll see what I do about them.


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Hi anders_slåke

Is the "19 Days" backing with or without click?

Both.

Hi Fox622003

Oh, actually, the transcription is mine, I really thought it wasn't *always* four 32nds, and you stopped in that beat. Alright then, sorry about that. Here's the corrected version.

Thanks for that.

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With a hundred-plus pages in this surely has been answered but I couldn't find it on search.

The question:

How are you mounting the bell cymbals by your hats? A homemade job? I can't tell. I saw Chad Wackerman with nearly the same exact device (right by the hats too!) back in the 80s but I can't figure out what he was using either.

I also use a bunch of bells and accent cymbals and it sure would be nice to consolidate them in such a configuration. If there's a product out there for this I'd sure love one!
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Thanks Gavin. I had a lot of time to think about the question I had asked this week.

What's just a 'drummer' ? I feel like I'm there to make music.

I volunteered for a University Jazz Camp this past week. It was an opportunity to go and start networking back in my home town after graduating from the music program I was in.

The whole "drummer" vs. "musician" came to light when I was in two different situations over the source of the week. One situation involved the instructors and the other the students. When I was playing with the instructors, it was like being part of the source. Part of the unit. The music came out and the technique, groove, coordination (everything I've been studying) felt ready to serve the music. I was a musician.

The moment I felt like a drummer came from playing with students who had their heads buried in the music. I felt like no one was paying any attention to what I was trying to do. I would try to create some input, but it fell on deaf ears. Nobody was there to support the time. It just felt like they were so buried in hitting the changes that there was no music. I felt like a drummer. I realized no matter what I did, I couldn't make the time feel better. They sort of hung on to the remnants of the feel, but didn't add to it. The moment it clicked was when the teacher running the ensemble actually pointed it out.

We're dependent on each other as musicians and I realized that my role could easily be dissolved into "drumming" when I can't add to the feel or the unity or the "music" of the performance. It's not lack of ability in my case, so much as feeling left out to dry by people who aren't able to realize my full potential.

So, it could be a case where I have to understand that I may be a better musician than I give myself credit for (I mean this with utmost humility!).

I'm not totally clear about your definition of 'musical practising'.

I apologize for my lack of clarity. To be more concise, I was actually asking if you would think there's such a thing as 'musical practicing'.

As an analogy, practicing is building a program and music is running the program. That's the way I see it. You can't run a program and actively code at the same time. You run the program til you encounter the bug and then you fix the programming. (I apologize if the computer analogy only confuses you further. If not, then feel free to use it if you think it translates the point well).

Don't feel the need to reply. I was just trying to conclude my thoughts openly. Maybe some other members on the board might relate to this.
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I too have recently got into Porcupine Tree and Gavin Harrison's drumming, it's amazing from what I have heard so far. Nice blend of rock solid grooves and explosive, yet tasteful fills. I really like your contribution in "way of out here", especially the live version.
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As an analogy, practicing is building a program and music is running the program. That's the way I see it. You can't run a program and actively code at the same time. You run the program til you encounter the bug and then you fix the programming.
That's a very nice analogy in my opinion. When you just start out, there's not much to run, so you just dedicate yourself to coding. Once the basics are coded, you just keep using the same program until the needs of it change. Of course, the basics are different for each person and their needs.
However, I disagree that you can't do both at the same time, unlike a program, you can actively and organically shape your skills while playing musically; you could play something absolutely different than what you started out playing after doing the same basic (or written) pattern for a year, even if you never practiced it outside of executing it with a band. Some ideas lack all musicality when practicing because they are too complex, so in those cases, yes, they cannot be separated, but there's a point where the separation blurs, as I mentioned above.


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How are you mounting the bell cymbals by your hats? A homemade job? I can't tell. I saw Chad Wackerman with nearly the same exact device (right by the hats too!) back in the 80s but I can't figure out what he was using either.

He has two holders:
One is a custom made job by a friend of him.
And for a few months he uses the Sonor Basic-Arm System to mount the chimes.
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However, I disagree that you can't do both at the same time, unlike a program, you can actively and organically shape your skills while playing musically.
I understand what you mean. Where I'm coming from in my analogy, programming refers to the most basic fundamentals of technique. You won't expand musically if you're trying to fix your technique while you're in the middle of a performance. If you play a video game, for instance, it actually takes playing the game to be good at it. You'll run into glitches playing a video game (anyone who understands this is probably filling up with rage if they've read this). It has everything to do with the programming and nothing to do with your ability to play the game. Until that error is resolved, you will always encounter that problem.

This is getting a bit down the rabbit trail now, maybe we can open a PM or a thread in another forum if you want to continue the discussion. It's just so we aren't hijacking this thread. It is Gavin Harrison's thread after all. ;)
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With a hundred-plus pages in this surely has been answered but I couldn't find it on search.
You will like this site then, it has a lot of questions and answers from this thread:
http://www.askgavinharrison.com
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Hey Gavin,

I saw you in Nashville tonight... second PT show. You may remember me waving to you when you got off the bus, probably not, but anyways. I just wanted to say that you're one of my heroes and a major influence on my drumming! I'm really looking forward to seeing you and PT again sometime soon.

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Hey Gavin, what is your current warm up for shows now, what rudiments do you practice or do you dabble around on your kit before a show, how do you loosen up before a big show today? Has it changed much since you've made the rhythmic videos?
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Hi Gavin,
i'm a big fan of your drumming. i cant really imagine where your inspiration for some fills comes from. they are so creative. so your drumming inspires my drumming a lot.

i have a question about a double bass pattern which you played at modern drummer festival in the song futile in your "solo-section" and which i heard also in "way out of here" from the new live dvd while you are playing the three chinas.
is it the same pattern which tomas haake uses in "bleed" by meshuggah? so RLR L, RLR L

mfg
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I went to the show in Asheville, NC and was once again blown away by the precision and intensity that is PT live. The venue was great, the sound was good, and the performance was stellar. Gavin, you continue to blow me away with sound execution, a juggernaut groove, and playful embellishment throughout my favorite tunes. I was skeptical about the "co-headlining" and not getting a full night of PT but the show was amazing and inspirational. Missed chatting with you afterwards, or course ;-)

Questions: Does playing a shorter night, like on this tour, allow you to "give it your all" and have more stamina throughout the tour? Since you have so much to say as a band, do any of you feel restricted or limited in some way by this schedule? Do you feel like you're just getting warmed up and "feeling it" (as a band) when you have to end the show?

Thanks again,

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