we went to apopka florida...toured there and back from amarillo texas....getting ready to go to nashville......i love the gretsch's, and yes that is a pork pie patina snare...absoutely love it......that zildjian means the world to me, and i hate to, but i beat the crap out of it...just cant find anything that sounds like it...........speeking of, the serial number isn't quite legible, any other way to date it?