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Old 11-16-2012, 05:30 PM
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I am looking at one of these, model HTB5. I'm seeing conflicting info in that some people say they fold, others say they remove for transport. Which is is? Are there different revisions?

For example, was the older one foldable and the new ones not? If so, could it be because of design issues, such as maybe the folding part wore out, or perhaps users complained that the upright stuck out too far when folded to be practical?

Is it better to have a non-folding one for some reason that I haven't considered at this stage?

Anyone know the truth? If some are indeed foldable and some not, is there a way to tell; perhaps the ones that fold have a certain embroidery pattern vs. ones that don't?
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:23 PM
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My one folds. I don't see why they would have changed it, as it's the best backrest design I have come across. My one has the "1st Chair" logo so is a little older.
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Old 11-16-2012, 07:30 PM
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Mine is the same. It folds forward and lies on the seat. Ist Chair also
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:01 AM
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Thanks guys. What colors are the embroidery on your backrest models? Are they the First Chair in red or white, or are they the logos that have red, white and the Tama name with scrolls?
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:14 AM
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Also, is there adjustment for how far forward you can position the backrest for people like me who lean slightly forward? And, how exactly do you fold the backrest down? From the pics on retailer sites, I can't seem to locate any pins to pull, or anything, so is it just loose in the forward position, and simply falls forward? If so, then does it just fall forward "onto" your back while you play?
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No pins to pull, it just leans forward. My stitching on the seat is orange flames and the back rest is white letters TAMA. There is a thumb screw for forward adjustment.
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:50 AM
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Thanks for the added info. As you might expect, I am also concerned with transportability, so I'm trying to get a barometer on how it would fit into hardware bags. Thus, I'm wondering if you can you do be a favor and measure a couple of things for me.

1) I'd like to know how much is added in depth (front to back) when the backrest is folded. In other words, what is the distance from the back edge of the seat to the end of the mechanism when folded?

2) How much height does it add when folded (distance from top of seat to the topmost piece when folded)?

Thanks in advance.
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About five inches and four inches respectively.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:09 AM
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:20 AM
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Oops, two more questions, if you don't mind....

1) While it looks like the backrest is designed to accommodate people like me who lean forward a bit, in your opinion, do YOU think it has more than enough forward adjustments to accommodate for this?

2) Some sites say the backrest is easily removed for transport. In the event that the folded size is too big to be practically transported intact, do YOU think the backrest indeed removes easily for transport? I'm asking because those same sites say you MUST remove it for transport, so I'd much rather hear from someone who has the backrest, you know what I mean?

FWIW, I envy that you have the white Tama lettering. I don't think they make that design anymore. All the pics I see are of the red 1st Chair lettering. Bummer for me, as my seat has the white Tama with the red and white scrolls (or whatever you call them). :-(

Here's the one that would match mine:

http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-TAM-HTB5-LIST
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:40 AM
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It seems to remove easily enough. As for leaning forward, that kind of defeats the purpose of helping posture where you should be seated more erect. I dont find myself always against the back rest but more than not I am. I am a pretty passive relaxed drummer however.
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Old 11-17-2012, 07:26 AM
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Without a backrest, you actually have to lean forward slightly, even if you don't think you do, because all your appendages are in front of your core while playing. You lean even more when you hit cymbals and toms, and especially when you play double bass. If you were to be fully erect, when you bring your arms back in from hitting toms and cymbals your leverage would shift and you would start leaning back. So, it's a matter of physics that you simply MUST lean forward a bit. Regardless, this is exactly why I want a backrest, so that I can be in a more natural, erect position and have some leverage behind me should my center of gravity shift causing me to lean back. So, what I meant was I want the backrest to be able to be positioned in such a way that it puts a little more forward pressure that will serve to help compensate for that slight forward lean. ;-) But, I guess it must, otherwise people would have complained that it does nothing and is only useful between songs when you lean back, like people say about the other backrests on every other brand.
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I have the throne pictured. It was bought maybe 8 +- years ago. It does not fold. The backrest does come off easily though. I break it down 3-5 nights a week and have been doing so for years. As for adjustability leaning forward it's slightly lacking.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:46 PM
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The upper shank of the bracket that the backrest post mounts to doesn't look like it's even tall enough for the backrest post to clear the seat even if you were able to fold it. I wonder if that lower bracket is different on other models. Came across some pics on the web from another user that says his didn't fold either, and the pics show why. Not only would the bracket height I metioned prevent it from folding, there are also tabs on the mechanism that prevent it from tilting past a certain point. I wish a local store around me had one of these so I could see it. I don't want to buy online, only to find it doesn't work as Tama describes. Maybe so many sites say to remove the backrest for transport, instead of pushing the tilting part like the Tama site says, so they don't have to pay for shipping when people return them.





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Old 11-18-2012, 01:14 AM
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As you can see by my pics it definitely folds down. Maybe not 8 years ago but it does now.
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