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Old 07-14-2011, 06:00 PM
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Hi all. Noob to the site. Would love some feedback on a listing I'm about to run. PLEASE feel free to comment so I can list properly.

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VINTAGE MID-1960’S LUDWIG CLUB DATE KIT
Champagne Sparkle 3 Piece Drum Set
Plus/5X14 Supraphonic Chrome Snare
Vintage 1940-50’s Zildjian Cymbals
1940-1960’s Slingerland Stands Kick Pedals
Up for auction, my grandfathers vintage mid-60’s Ludwig drum ensemble. Complete with vintage drum heads, cymbals, clamps, stands, hi-hat, throne, hardware, to look like you just stepped out on the jazz festival stage. Set comes with working vintage gig bags and cases to cover all drums and cymbals. Set has been in storage and unused for over 25 years and has only been recently opened since owner passed away. Original skins. Crash Cymbal signed by legendary Jazz musician George Wettling and others.
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NO HOLES. NO ADD ONS. ONLY CLAMPS EVER USED.
BABIED SINCE BIRTH. GRANDFATHERS PRIDE AND JOY. MY LOSS YOUR GAIN
Ludwig Drum set includes…..Size, Drum Type, Keystone #, Date Produce
20” Floor Bass, 330678, Sep. 6, 1966
14” Deep Floor Tom, 495143, Feb. 9, 1967
12” Tom-tom, 330864, Sep. 6, 1966
5X14” Chrome Supraphonic Snare, 266944, Jun. 2, 1966
Vintage Zildjian Cymbals includes…….Size-Type
20” Ride, 18” Custom China, 16” Hi-hat, 14” Crash
Pre-stamped/engraved, visible logos on all cymbals. No cracks, chips, dents, pitting of any kind. All cymbals are in good to near mint condition with some slight wear shown on only the hi-hat bell.
Vintage Slingerland Stands&Kick Pedals
Stands and hardware for Hi-hat, cymbals, throne, and snare all in working order. Clamp for cow bell. Epic 1940’s kick pedal for floor bass with old school wooden mallet and both working springs intact. Extra hardware for connecting tom-toms, cymbals, and or other components, all in working order. Extra vintage snare stand(maybe Ludwig).
Not pictured yet, some rare vintage bass mufflers also added and the kit shown in its cases and gig bags….to be added soon!!!
Here’s a link to my photo album of the set with signatures and all to help give you a better view…..
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Old 07-15-2011, 09:07 AM
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Anyone?

Beuller?

Has anyone seen......
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:11 PM
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I'm intrigued. Sounds like a great kit. Price?
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Location? Keep in mind, this is an international forum.

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Shipping?

Can I come over with cash?
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Old 07-15-2011, 10:46 PM
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Ohhhhh yea.....Duh!
There's some fine print I cut off the bottom about shipping, delivery, local, et.all.....

I'm on the Space Coast of Florida and may deliver within the region to save us both.
Price? I'm taking offers of course, and some are attractive but I must be firm.
Don't expect it to be anything less than a steel.
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Price? I'm taking offers of course, and some are attractive but I must be firm.
Normally when people sell something (in this country, at least), they list an amount of money that they would like to receive in exchange for that item. This is called a "price". The price lets the buyer know how much the seller wants to receive for the item. In the case of second-hand or used items, sometimes the price is negotiable. When a buyer comes across an item he/she may be interested in, they often look to the price as one of the deciding factors as to whether or not they wish to engage in a transaction with the seller. Sometimes the seller lacks common courtesy and doesn't post a price. Without a price in place, this gives the buyer less information to make an educated decision with, and often times the seller misses out on selling an item...

Since this is not a sale, but an auction, I'll start the bidding: $1.00
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Normally when people sell something (in this country, at least), they list an amount of money that they would like to receive in exchange for that item. This is called a "price". The price lets the buyer know how much the seller wants to receive for the item. In the case of second-hand or used items, sometimes the price is negotiable. When a buyer comes across an item he/she may be interested in, they often look to the price as one of the deciding factors as to whether or not they wish to engage in a transaction with the seller. Sometimes the seller lacks common courtesy and doesn't post a price. Without a price in place, this gives the buyer less information to make an educated decision with, and often times the seller misses out on selling an item...

Since this is not a sale, but an auction, I'll start the bidding: $1.00
If you get this for a buck, we'll all kill you. :)
Yeah, we need price/location/ and stuff.
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Since this is not a sale, but an auction, I'll start the bidding: $1.00
I'll see your one dollar bid and up this to... $2.00!

Oh snaps! We got us an old fashioned bidding war now!
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I'll see your one dollar bid and up this to... $2.00!

Oh snaps! We got us an old fashioned bidding war now!
Bah, humbug...
$2.20!
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Hi all. Noob to the site. Would love some feedback on a listing I'm about to run. PLEASE feel free to comment so I can list properly.
Try listing here, then, in the For Sale section ... http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...?t=2601&page=7
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Ohhhhh yea.....Duh!
There's some fine print I cut off the bottom about shipping, delivery, local, et.all.....

I'm on the Space Coast of Florida and may deliver within the region to save us both.
Price? I'm taking offers of course, and some are attractive but I must be firm.
Don't expect it to be anything less than a steel.
What you need to do, is take you "action" to eBay .... a lot more "buyers" are gonna see your kit "there" than "here" ....
Here's one kit http://cgi.ebay.com/Ludwig-Club-Date...item3cb9d24918 18 hours left in the auction .... starts at $625 .... BIN $725 no bids....yet.
Here's another kit http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Ludwig-C...item20baffdeb3 1 bid for $500 .... Reserve Not Met or BIN $1500 .... very wishful thinking on that guys part.
I'm currently awaiting a Gretsch round badge kit 20, 13, 16 ..... landed price $1540. After this kit, I probably won't need to be buying any more drums, for a while.
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I'm currently awaiting a Gretsch round badge kit 20, 13, 16 ..... landed price $1540. After this kit, I probably won't need to be buying any more drums, for a while. [/indent]
BAAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!! *wipes tears from eyes*

You don't know HOW many times I've told myself this...
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You don't know HOW many times I've told myself this...
Oh, I know it well, I'm a drum addict also .... but ... not counting my electronics ... I have 4 kits. My Ludwigs, my Yamaha RC's, my RMV's (ok, so I'm still missing a matching kick for the RMV's .... and now soon to be ... a Gretsch round badge kit.
And the Yamaha RC's are my "beater" kit .... once I get my titanium hips, and get back to gigging out, those will be the drums being thrown about town.
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Old 12-01-2011, 09:17 PM
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Anyone looking for a real nice kit for the holiday, I've still got it and haven't yet to put up on the bay....yet. Thought maybe the real drummers of the world would like a shot at this first????

Anyone?
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Anyone looking for a real nice kit for the holiday, I've still got it and haven't yet to put up on the bay....yet. Thought maybe the real drummers of the world would like a shot at this first????

Anyone?
We're all chomping at the bit here, like it's Kentucky Derby Day!

Photos and suggested price please! Are you willing to ship this to a U.S. buyer?

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Anyone looking for a real nice kit for the holiday, I've still got it and haven't yet to put up on the bay....yet. Thought maybe the real drummers of the world would like a shot at this first????

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Ok....here it goes.You need to stop fishing,and post a price.If you want an apraisal,just ask.Firstly,I don't think those drums were all purchased at the same time,which is evidenced by the difference in dates,as well as the difference in fade in the floor tom,which was probably added later..That kit should also come with an acrolite snare,not a supraphonic.The presence of Slingerland hardware,as opposed to Ludwig,further devalues this kit.So as a collectors grade kit,it does leave something to be desired.My opinion is to sell the drums separately from the cymbals,as well as the hardware.

It may be the lighting also but I would bet that those drums are silver sparkle,faded to what is called ginger ale,and not champaign sparkle.

The autoghaphed ride cymbal is not worth anything extra with the autograph,without provenance to prove authentication.The rivet holes in that ride cymbal also appear non factory.There are some nice late 50's early 60's Zildjians according to the stamps,and they should be sold separately.

I think trying to sell locally is a bad mistake,as Florida has one of the highest unemployment and forclosure rates in the nation.Open it up to a larger audience by using Ebay,and offer shipping.

Do some research buy using past sales on ebay as a price point,and remember that market is changing almost daily.

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We're all chomping at the bit here, like it's Kentucky Derby Day!

Photos and suggested price please! Are you willing to ship this to a U.S. buyer?

thanks :)


Photos are in the OP on a link to photobucket.
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:27 PM
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Ok....here it goes.You need to stop fishing,and post a price.If you want an apraisal,just ask.Firstly,I don't think those drums were all purchased at the same time,which is evidenced by the difference in dates,as well as the difference in fade in the floor tom,which was probably added later..That kit should also come with an acrolite snare,not a supraphonic.The presence of Slingerland hardware,as opposed to Ludwig,further devalues this kit.So as a collectors grade kit,it does leave something to be desired.My opinion is to sell the drums separately from the cymbals,as well as the hardware.

It may be the lighting also but I would bet that those drums are silver sparkle,faded to what is called ginger ale,and not champaign sparkle.

The autoghaphed ride cymbal is not worth anything extra with the autograph,without provenance to prove authentication.The rivet holes in that ride cymbal also appear non factory.There are some nice late 50's early 60's Zildjians according to the stamps,and they should be sold separately.

I think trying to sell locally is a bad mistake,as Florida has one of the highest unemployment and forclosure rates in the nation.Open it up to a larger audience by using Ebay,and offer shipping.

Do some research buy using past sales on ebay as a price point,and remember that market is changing almost daily.

Steve B
Thanks for the input Steve.
The color is Champ. It's not faded silver or some other color. The pics don't show well since a phone was used for the taking IMHO. The floor tom IS about 6-8 months younger than the others yes, why it's not the exact same color may have something to do in production. Not sure. As to why the mix of the snare???? It's about the sound. this kit was used by a touring Jazz professional so I'm going to assume he knew what he wanted to hear out of his kit.

As for the price. I'd like to see $2,500.00 considering how well they were kept and the age of the Zilds.
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Photos are in the OP on a link to photobucket.
I saw that. Me - and others who used work computers - have Photobucket blocked so I can't see them. If you could post photo within yuor DW ad here it might help.

Thanks. yeah go with Steve says. He's the expert. You could put a $2,500 Buy It Now pricetag on it. For that kind of money you'll get a ton of nitpicking potential buyers with a ton of questions. Especially if they can't inspect the kit cymbals first, before buying. I'd sell the cymbals separately. Love Clubdates though.
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As for the price. I'd like to see $2,500.00 considering how well they were kept and the age of the Zilds.
Good luck with that. I think you'll be holding onto those drums, for a very long time, if that's your price. I could be wrong, certainly have been before, but that's my opinion.
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Nice kit but nothing special about it. You will never get anything close to $2500 in our current economy, $1000 at best on a good day. For $2500 you can buy a collector grade Ludwig kit.
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Good luck with that. I think you'll be holding onto those drums, for a very long time, if that's your price. I could be wrong, certainly have been before, but that's my opinion.
I agree. I recently purchased a very good condition Club date set for $700, snare included.
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Harsh. Considering I seen this set on the bay for 3K more than once, and that's with less stuff added.
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Thats abit heavy for Club Dates, they were no way top of the line and the shells are very weak in comparison to other models. The fact that they become a vintage kit after a certain about of time doesn't improve their sound. They are what they are and in their day they were entry level or for drummers with a light touch. I had a nice red sparkle set about 10 years ago that sold for 650.00 that was very fair (3pc and sn.) if you put a physical drummer behind that kit it'll get destroyed in no time. Some screwy Ludwig guy might spend a grand for a matching snare kit but thats all their worth theres other Ludwigs that come in front of them as for collecting. They don't play well or sound good either. Doc
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Harsh. Considering I seen this set on the bay for 3K more than once, and that's with less stuff added.
To see a kits "asking price" on eBay is one thing ... to see a kit sell for that $3K is quite another. I've never seen one "fetch" that kinda dough. I know two cats who own Club Dates ... neither paid anywhere close to $2500. My Luddie kit, cost me $1100. My Yamaha Recording Custom kit, I paid $995. My Gretsch Round Badge kit, I paid $1500 for. All off eBay. Guys here aren't being "harsh" .... just being "real".
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Thats abit heavy for Club Dates, they were no way top of the line and the shells are very weak in comparison to other models. The fact that they become a vintage kit after a certain about of time doesn't improve their sound. They are what they are and in their day they were entry level or for drummers with a light touch. I had a nice red sparkle set about 10 years ago that sold for 650.00 that was very fair (3pc and sn.) if you put a physical drummer behind that kit it'll get destroyed in no time. Some screwy Ludwig guy might spend a grand for a matching snare kit but thats all their worth theres other Ludwigs that come in front of them as for collecting. They don't play well or sound good either. Doc

I respectfully have to disagree Doc.I had a clubdate set that I sold(flipped) a few years ago and the sounded great.Warm and fat with just enough deffinition.

As far as the shells,the reason they sound so good is they use the same exact 3 ply shells as Ludwig Classic,and Super classic.The only difference between the two were the central mounted bow tie lugs,and some bass drum hardware and lack of size choice.

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they were no way top of the line and the shells are very weak in comparison to other models. The fact that they become a vintage kit after a certain about of time doesn't improve their sound.

Someone doesn't know what they're talking about.
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Someone doesn't know what they're talking about.
Club Dates are nice drums with the same shell as other 3ply kits, but they were not the top of the line.
They were lower cost drums with less lugs on the bass drum, and over all less lugs because of the bowties.
Doesn't mean they aren't cool drums though.

There are some pretty steep prices on eBay for these drums, so you never know unless you try.
I'm going to watch a few of the higher priced kits and see what they do out of curiosity.
Like this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1968...88106776088580

eBay, or listing with a Vintage site/Vintage dealer might be what would do you best. That seems to be your real target market.

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Centrally located is a nice sounding way to say cheap or inexpensive hahaha!! Either way I played them when they were new and I'd destroy them then. I played a set in very condition 10 years ago and my opinion remains the same. Respectfully SteveB your opinion and mine on this kit differs, good for us.
Stick, my opinions are mine you can disagree and thats ok too if your gonna start insulting me or anyone else I'll rip you a new one ok, grow up!! I have a feeling from your comments you weren't even born when I was on Ludwigs pay attention and learn something the first thing is state your opinion without insulting someone elses. Doc.
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There are some pretty steep prices on eBay for these drums, so you never know unless you try.
I'm going to watch a few of the higher priced kits and see what they do out of curiosity.
Like this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1968...88106776088580
I certainly don't think this kit will sell for $5.8K. No freakin' way. $2500, would be top. Sure, this guy can dream of getting "large" ... but that ain't gonna happen. And this is a Classic (split lug) ... not a Club Date (center lug).
Club Dates were the same shells as Classics (3 ply). What made them "affordable" (to compete with the Japanese stencil kits) was hardware. (example: 22 inch kick) Center lug (8 lugs ... two holes per lug ... 16 holes) vs. Split lug (20 lugs ... two holes per lug ... 40 holes) Also cheaper spurs. Cheaper hardware, but most important, less man hours involved. Less holes meant less washers and screws, and less turns of that "manpowered" screwdriver. Made for a "more affordable" drum kit. Ludwig wasn't in a position to develop a new, cheaper drum shell, so they cut corners elsewhere. Later on, with the Standard/Rocker/Rocker II ... different story.
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Personally, I think the only way you are going to break any piece of drum equipment (save for heads, but even they can be made to last) is if you use them incorrectly. It's not a stab at anyone, don't worry, just my opinion. :)

And sorry to say, but 2500$ is a little much. I bought a 69 (Maple, poplar, maple) Club Date with a pioneer snare for 1000$. Sound awesome, but it turns out that was a pretty steep price, and I think I could've done better.

I'd listen to the other guys, especially mentions to Harryconway and Tamadrm, they have a lot of info in the vintage drum department.
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