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Old 12-26-2013, 10:41 PM
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Hi everyone,

I've been playing drums for 25 years (I'm 36) mostly at church, which is why I never needed to buy my own kit but I've always enjoyed going to the drum shops and playing the latest and greatest kits.

I'm going to buy a kit now (about time, I know) and wondered if you guys would help me make a good decision. At this point, I haven't narrowed down exactly what I want, opting not go to retail in favor of Craigslist.

Would you guys help me make a good decision?

Here's a few I'm eye balling:

PDP CX (negotiated to $700 for everything)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...252812023.html

Sonor Stage One Force 3005 (negotiated to $700 for everything)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/an...182792427.html

Gretsch Catalina Birch (negotiated to $800 for everything)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...252853732.html

PDP CX (red)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ws...247297830.html

Mapex Pro M
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...253893483.html

OCDP (I'd offer $600 for everything, tops)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/da...176893600.html

My tonal preference are clean pitches and tones that resonate, along with a kick that a solid and commanding thud, but I really, I don't care, I just love the play and overall tone + value is what matters most to me. The kit size preference is a 5 piece; I have little interested in a massive kit. My challenge is, I can't tell the difference between a good deal and a great deal, or if the prices are just way too high. I realize it's all subjective, but would greatly value and appreciate your opinions.

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Matt

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Old 12-26-2013, 11:01 PM
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The last ad is by far your best bet of the four; you'll get a decent kit at a good price and have some money left over to buy some decent used cymbals separately, as well as some replacement batter heads. The other three are quite overpriced for what they are, especially the Gretsch and Sonor.
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Old 12-26-2013, 11:04 PM
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Thanks Al for responding! I edited the OP and added the prices I've negotiated. Ultimately, I want to make sure I get a good deal and have been using Guitar Center's used section to help me identity deals.
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The last ad is by far your best bet of the four; you'll get a decent kit at a good price and have some money left over to buy some decent used cymbals separately, as well as some replacement batter heads. The other three are quite overpriced for what they are, especially the Gretsch and Sonor.
Could I ask your thoughts about this, Al, for $800?
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...252853732.html (includes everything)
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Old 12-27-2013, 01:57 AM
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I'd still go with the Mapex. The Gretsch is a pretty good intermediate kit but those cymbals and hardware are all entry level. Try googling names and brands and it'll give you a good idea of what something is new worth. Figure that about 1/2 of the new price is a good place to start. In my experience, anyone blathering on about what a good deal something is because they spent XYZ on everything new is full of crap and asking too much.
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Old 12-27-2013, 02:07 AM
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I'd still go with the Mapex. The Gretsch is a pretty good intermediate kit but those cymbals and hardware are all entry level. Try googling names and brands and it'll give you a good idea of what something is new worth. Figure that about 1/2 of the new price is a good place to start. In my experience, anyone blathering on about what a good deal something is because they spent XYZ on everything new is full of crap and asking too much.
Thanks for the info and tip! Hope you guys don't mind me asking here, I found this forum today and wish I'd found it years ago! Oh, and while I realize it's all subjective, you alls thoughts on over sound is very much appreciated!
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Old 12-27-2013, 02:11 AM
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On the last post for $800 -- still too much for what he's pushing. You didn't have the Mapex up there when I first read the thread, and I agree with RM, that's an even better set than the PDP for $300.

Here's how you should look at this. First off, Google the drumset make to see what new sets are going for. Then ballpark at least a 30-50% reduction for wear. Factor in the amount and quality of hardware and cymbals you are getting. In the cases of the first PDP, the Sonor, and the Gretsch, you are getting the set, used, plus some starter cymbals for somewhere between 90-125% street price of a new set. That's not a deal.

A lot of casual drummers get taken for rides at their local music store (no kidding, one of our local stores sells stuff at about 200% the street price). Then these guys decide to sell the kit, and they ask for what they paid for it (which is a silly idea, but there you go).

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Old 12-27-2013, 02:20 AM
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Thanks guys. Really appreciate it. I'm going to use this thread as a pitching block :) when I find something I think to be a deal. So Mapex Pro M = Good kit?

What I've been doing is Google'ing the kits I find on Craigslist just like that, for prices, but they're all over the map and I like conversing with willing people like you all for help! Also, I've been going to YouTube to actually hear what the models sound like.

Thanks again. Ideally, I want to spend $800 for a functional kit. I don't gig, I play at home, for fun, for practice, and then at church.
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Old 12-27-2013, 02:36 AM
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Thanks guys. Really appreciate it. I'm going to use this thread as a pitching block :) when I find something I think to be a deal. So Mapex Pro M = Good kit?

What I've been doing is Google'ing the kits I find on Craigslist just like that, for prices, but they're all over the map and I like conversing with willing people like you all for help! Also, I've been going to YouTube to actually hear what the models sound like.

Thanks again. Ideally, I want to spend $800 for a functional kit. I don't gig, I play at home, for fun, for practice, and then at church.
Yeah, Pro M is an older kit but it's the forerunner of the Meridian Maple, which has a really great rep around here. You'll probably go a bit over budget with that kit, though, because you're not going to have stands or cymbals with it.

The OCDP kit gives me the willies for several reasons. First off, it's set up like a car wreck, which means there could be scrapes and dings all over it, plus dented heads that you'll need to replace. The super-deep kick with the extended hoop is a pain to find a gig bag for or fit in a car. The cymbals are cheap. If he paid over $2k at Guitar Center, he paid about $1k too much to start. If I can inject my own personal opinion, the kit is just plain ugly anyway. Finally, I'm personally not convinced of the quality of the brand.
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Old 12-27-2013, 02:43 AM
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So I looked on CL in your area and here's another couple of options for you at what I think are fairly reasonable prices:

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...239759894.html
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...195217535.html
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...209697227.html
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None of those kits make me bat an eye except for that red sparkle Pacific CX kit. Having had a few of them pass through my hands, I know that they are phenomenal drums (they used the same maple as DW kits, after the DW factory picked through and took out the "choice" cuts), and for $300, that's quite a deal--just add a stand and some cymbals (which you'll want to pick out individually, anyways...)
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Old 12-27-2013, 03:01 AM
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Thanks Al! That PDP FS was sold, ugh! Trying to make a deal with the guy for the Mapex's, he actually put them up on eBay for $450 minimum. If I can get them for $450, think that's a great deal? Here he's got them on eBay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mapex-Pro-M-...item2333d995ff
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Old 12-27-2013, 04:02 AM
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Could I ask you guys about this kit?
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ws...238765687.html

Back in the mid-90's my all-time-absolute favorite kit was a Premier Signia. I'm trying to find out if that floor tom is also an XPK. If yes, I don't care about the color mis-match as long as it sounds good. Thoughts about a $500 offer (if they're that good)?

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Old 12-27-2013, 04:59 AM
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Could I ask you guys about this kit?
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/ws...238765687.html

Back in the mid-90's my all-time-absolute favorite kit was a Premier Signia. I'm trying to find out if that floor tom is also an XPK. If yes, I don't care about the color mis-match as long as it sounds good. Thoughts about a $500 offer (if they're that good)?
Very good, and the cymbals are almost all pro-quality. You'll need a pedal and throne, but that would be a pretty easy fix. The Mapexs would be a better deal at $450, but remember you have a lot of other things to buy afterwards. This one is nearly ready to play. Do you have any pieces of kit at all?
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:16 AM
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I have nothing.

As for the floor tom, he has no idea what it is but thinks its a TKO and says it matches the sound of the kit. That's got me feeling a bit uneasy but no harm in hearing it.
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:45 AM
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I have nothing.

As for the floor tom, he has no idea what it is but thinks its a TKO and says it matches the sound of the kit. That's got me feeling a bit uneasy but no harm in hearing it.
I did not see that first time. Also, the snare is entry-level. Ehhh. Keep looking, I say.
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Here's a pretty good deal: a Yamaha Stage Custom for $475. http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/an...229284638.html Plenty of money left over to get some decent cymbals.

More PDP: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/da...223037549.html

No real picture with this but worth checking out: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/da...159563050.html

On these last two the cymbals are starter quality, but they are ready to play today.
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Old 12-27-2013, 06:39 AM
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Just saw this Al before I private messaged you. I'm asking the owner of that red PDP what model it is. I'm betting it's a Fusion (FS) vs a CX. Is one worse over another?
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Just saw this Al before I private messaged you. I'm asking the owner of that red PDP what model it is. I'm betting it's a Fusion (FS) vs a CX. Is one worse over another?
FS is birch, CX is maple. Other than that, the hardware and fittings will all be the same. Depends if you like one wood that much better than the other.
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Old 12-27-2013, 07:18 AM
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FS is birch, CX is maple. Other than that, the hardware and fittings will all be the same. Depends if you like one wood that much better than the other.
Cripes! I didn't know that!
I feel like a rookie again!
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to get educated on street pricing you may want to scan ebay for sets and kits at auction just to see what the true "street prices" are of different kits..it will give you a good idea what you should be spending..tip..if there are no bids its probably priced too high..
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Here's a pretty good deal: a Yamaha Stage Custom for $475. http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/an...229284638.html Plenty of money left over to get some decent cymbals.

More PDP: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/da...223037549.html

No real picture with this but worth checking out: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/da...159563050.html

On these last two the cymbals are starter quality, but they are ready to play today.
I thought it was a good deal on the Stage Custom because I just bought it. New heads arrive today so I am stoked. Minneapolis Craigslist always has good deals. This is not bad deal but no cymbals.http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...253918531.html
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Id offer 500 for any of those kits in the OP. They're not doing you any favors, imo.
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Old 12-27-2013, 05:18 PM
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Here's a Tama kit I checking out.
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/an...260233277.html
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I can vouch for Coon Rapids Dan. I have bought cymbals and stands from him. He is a straight shooter. I almost bought a beautiful Sapphire Blue Stage Custom 5 piece from him for $280 but waited too long. He is always listing stuff on Craigslist. Just put Coon Rapids Dan in search box and watch his ads pop up.
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I know him, sort of... :) I just know nothing about the kit, so wondered what people thought. Will also do a search here right now.
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Ok this guys willing to go to $400 for everything http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/da...223037549.html

Low end cymbals. How's the kit rank?
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Ok this guys willing to go to $400 for everything http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/da...223037549.html

Low end cymbals. How's the kit rank?
Never mind. These are an f series made in China. No thanks.
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Never mind. These are an f series made in China. No thanks.

Most of the drums you'll be seeing in the price range you're looking at are made in China.

I like the Tama kit in post #24, but you'd have to get a lot of other stuff for it, before you could really start playing it.
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Most of the drums you'll be seeing in the price range you're looking at are made in China.

I like the Tama kit in post #24, but you'd have to get a lot of other stuff for it, before you could really start playing it.
I believe the PDP CX and FS are made in the same Mexico warehouse as the full fledged DW's.
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I believe the PDP CX and FS are made in the same Mexico warehouse as the full fledged DW's.

Then I guess you're good to go.


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The pdp or that last Tama you posted are your best bets in my opinion.
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Think I may be narrowed to this CX:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/hn...252812023.html

Or this Silverstar and building it up:
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/an...260233277.html

Gut says the Tama..your thoughts?
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I like the Tama at that price too, plenty of $$ left over for a great set of cymbals. $100 or so could buy you a Ludwig Acrolite on eBay, great workhorse snare, or for another $100 you could pick up a new Supralite, they have been getting fantastic reviews here. Tama also makes a number of highly regarded snares at about the $200 price point.
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If you're looking for something pretty much ready to go and can negotiate a good price I'd suggest the Pacific CX.

I owned a Pacific CX kit for a number of years. They're well made and sound pretty good. That blue onyx kit looks like it would clean up very well and since it has the 8" through 16" toms it is essentially a complete set, since that's all of the sizes Pacific made for that line. You may not need all of those toms at once, but it will give you a lot of options.

If it matters...The only lines that were made in Mexico were the various incarnations of the CX and the LX, and later the Platinum series.
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Old 12-29-2013, 12:38 AM
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Just bought the Tama and some other really great gear. I'll post a pic after it's all setup!
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Just bought the Tama and some other really great gear. I'll post a pic after it's all setup!
Congrats! Way to hold out for a deal.
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Just bought the Tama and some other really great gear. I'll post a pic after it's all setup!
Good deal, hope you enjoy.
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