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Old 04-13-2013, 04:04 PM
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How many of you fellow drummers provide the PA and Light rigs for your band, and do you take a bigger % of the pay for doing it?
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Old 04-13-2013, 04:16 PM
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Ouch...a bit of a sore subject for me.

I have purchased all the PA and lighting for our band. Not that I'm rich or anything (supermarket career for God's sake!) but the other 3 in my band are a bit financially irresponsible. So for our band to proceed, I realized we needed these things.

I do not ask for an extra cut only because that will cause a rift in the band. I realize that playing a couple gigs a month is more for fun than anything else for me. These guys rely on that gig money to supplement their income and pay their bills. Yeah, deep down I know that they're "getting off easy" but I'm OK with it on the surface. Hopefully we don't have a dispute one day and I blow up about it, but for now I'm OK providing these things for the band. My wife says I'm VERY unselfish.

I've purchased 5 speakers (2 mains/3 monitors), 3 SM 58's, all cables, extension cords, surge protectors, basic lighting rig consisting of colorstrips, pars, pinspots, and t-bars....not to mention containers to transport it all.

But there's no way in hell I'm buying them strings, cords, amps, etc...
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Old 04-13-2013, 04:22 PM
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Axis, that's mighty big of you. Have you had any discussion with the guys about maintenance/repair of the equip? If a PA speaker blows, will the band chip in from gig pay, or will you cover it? Do they help load/unload? There's always politics/logistics involved with that kinda stuff, but I salute you for stepping up to the plate. As for me, I have enough crap to schlep around with just my drums. If I had to worry about PA and/or lights, I'd need a trailer, roadie, and prolly 3-4 more hours!
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Old 04-13-2013, 04:30 PM
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We haven't discussed repairs yet, although the guitarists are somewhat proficient with that. Would I trust them to repair it? That's another story. :)

They do help with all the loading/unloading and as much setup as possible. Although after I get my drums set up, I'm a bit more proficient as far as which cables get plugged into where. But they ARE willing.

Transportation wise though, I have my SUV which holds my drums and a few totes or equipment. The other guys have small cars so I have to borrow my father-in-laws van to transport and one of my bandmates drive it.
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Old 04-13-2013, 05:30 PM
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I bought a PA specifically for the reason of being able to make more money. I double-dip all the time, making the playing wage as well as a little something extra for providing the PA and running sound from the stage. If I didn't get paid extra, in no way would it be worth it, monetarily. In that regard, I sometimes have to be careful about who I tell that I own a PA system, so I avoid the whole, "Oh, could you just bring that along with you to the gig?" scenario. Same with having a recording/project studio: "Oh, you have a studio? Can we come over for the next 6-12 weekends and record?" Um...no.
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Old 04-13-2013, 05:46 PM
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I have a full PA I've put together over the years and some lighting that I don't use that much. I own a 150 foot snake and all my drum mic equipment. I don't charge extra, but I want control over the PA. I'm the engineer of the band and I can't trust my guitar player (who I have known for 35 years since high school) to do anything with the sound. He likes to buy equipment, but he doesn't know how to run it so I like to keep control over the PA. It's an odd reason, but as an engineer, I I just can't handle his emotional way of trying to solve sound problems.
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Old 04-13-2013, 05:54 PM
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I own a decent touring PA & lighting rig c/w trussing (not quite line array, but I can dream ;) ) The system is suitable for audiences up to around 600 people, but we don't always use all of it.

Thankfully, we have crew to set it up & break it down, but all the band dig in & help too - mostly ;) I charge the band 70 (about $100) per gig + additional fuel for haulage. After the crew receive their gratuity (I won't say pay, because that implies they receive due consideration for their work), we divide what's left amongst the 5 band members.

The fee I charge represents incredible value for the band, as hiring such a rig would cost many times the charge I apply. From my side, it's not a great deal TBH. There's no way my charge would repay my outlay within a reasonable period of time, but I do use the lighting rig & trussing in our Guru show stand, so that offsets the pain to a degree.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:45 PM
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I provide the small PA for the blues band I drum with (SOS). The stuff they have is terrible and I would rather spend an extra 20 minutes setting up than have it sound bad to the audience. The corporate band I played guitar with I provided a decent sized 15kW PA for which depending on how big the venue and if I needed to bring lifts for the small line arrays and all the subs might take an hour to hour and a half to set up. At least the guitar rig was easier to get going than setting up a drum kit. I never got into lighting, we had a couple of cheap trees that the singer owned and would bring. I just have a couple of cheap LED Pars that clamp to speaker stands.

Like bringing a 10 piece kit to a bar blues gig, hauling, setting up, and especially breaking down all that stuff looses it's luster as you get older. I actually took out a business license to have a small sound company using all the stuff I put together for the corporate band. But even though I had a ramp trailer and everything on dollys, for the money people wanted to pay (I had one offer of $300 a gig for a street festival series that ran through the summer that would have meant getting off work early every Thursday and 2 hours on either end of the show) it wasn't worth the work. That's a young man's game.
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:24 PM
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I have always felt that it was the singers job to provide the PA, but most singers are flakes, so thats a story for another time.

I have an affinity for doing the sound, so I am the sound guy by default. I provide everything but the monitors, which I have had each member buy their own. I have emassed a pretty good sound system over the years and have used it for some pretty large gigs.

To offset the cost I have pimped myself out to other bands to do their sound. But I decided long ago that, much like my drumset, I will never make enough money to cover the cost. Its a labor of love and I do it gladly.
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