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Old 04-28-2010, 08:04 PM
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I've got a new ride cymbal on its way, and thought it would be an appropriate time to look at different places the ride can be placed, and where the best of the best put theirs for their desired sound / setup.

First of, Mr. Danny Carey (Tool)



Original placement near the top-right of his kit, in a very downward angle that isn't often seen used.

Second, Travis Barker (Blink 182, +44, The Transplants, TravisAM, etc etc etc)



fairly basic placement, near his right hand, in the very popular flat angle allowing for easy right-handed use


Third, Dave Weckl



can't tell quite what cymbals what. looks like he's using 1-2 rides. maybe you can help me point out where his ride is

Forth, Neil Pert (Rush)



looks like his ride is on his right, to the left of his china

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Here's mine. Low & just the right angle for me. I've never liked a high ride cymbal. I quite frequently use the ride & hats at the same time, so the placement is good for that. It looks like access is tight, but it easily reveals the playing surfaces I use. I suppose a swing player would find it a bit claustrophobic.
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Old 04-28-2010, 09:42 PM
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My ride is almost dead center above my kick.
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Furthest to the right for me (for now).

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I have 1 up 2 down, so it is basically where the second tom would normally be.
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My Ride is just over my floor tom, i dont really like having it high and it fits in nicely were it is.
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I like the ride right over the bass drum nice and low.
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I recently set up my ride on my left (I'm right handed). I have no idea why I did it but last week I just went crazy and set up my drums in a way that obliges me to have an ambidextrous approach...
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I like the ride right over the bass drum nice and low.
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I recently set up my ride on my left (I'm right handed). I have no idea why I did it but last week I just went crazy and set up my drums in a way that obliges me to have an ambidextrous approach...
Did this about a month ago! Now my china, ride and lowest floor tom are there. Left hand is getting better
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Here's mine. Low & just the right angle for me. I've never liked a high ride cymbal. I quite frequently use the ride & hats at the same time, so the placement is good for that. It looks like access is tight, but it easily reveals the playing surfaces I use. I suppose a swing player would find it a bit claustrophobic.
Wow, I am totally admiring you set up KIS, that is a kit of beauty!
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Never really liked the ride super low and flat. Feels like I have to turn my wrist down. I like to have my forearm parallel to the ground and be able to hit the ride with a French grip and my wrist basically straight. From there, if I want to do anything else with my hand, I can. I'm fairly long limbed and short waisted so that does put it low compared to some folks I know for whom a similar orientation to their hands would have it 3-4" higher.

Ride is in over the bass drum so I don't have to reach for it either. This does mean that you have to be careful going quickly from the top tom to the floor and not hit the ride on the way. Especially when I have the kit set up with the 10 up top and the 12 down as a suspended FT. It's pretty small and easy to tuck up against the kick and leave room for the regular 14" FT without having to twist around. You just have to be accurate.

I tend to set up the kit to play beat patterns. So snare, hat and ride get priority. The toms just go wherever they fit in-between and I have to work around that for fills.
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Did this about a month ago! Now my china, ride and lowest floor tom are there. Left hand is getting better
I have hats on each side of my double pedal to play open handed lefty or righty. Then I have my high tom, ride and crash to my left. My low tom other crash and china are on my right. I've still got a lot of work... Things as simple as opening the hats with the right foot in unison with the kick on a up-beat is hard to get used to (amongst others). Having the ride on the left is hard on the ego hehe!
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1 ride over the right side of the BD, low, but high enough to not hit my hand on the flr tom and to the right enough to still be able to play the flr tom while playing the ride.
1 crashable ride, low, and over the right side of the HH.

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I keep mine right next to the hihat, sometimes even to the left of the hihat. This photo is a bit distorted; that is a 20 ride to my left.

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Old 04-29-2010, 01:57 AM
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Some really nice kits. Thanks for the contributions
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Boring 11 o'clock (for a lefty) position.
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I'm also +1 for the low and (almost) flat placement of the ride cymbal.
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Forth, Neil Pert (Rush)
looks like his ride is on his right, to the left of his china

I think that's actually a crash. His ride is in the "standard" position for a four-piece kit: low and over the bass drum on the right side. So, he has a "break" there in his tom placement.

How is your kit set up now? How many pieces, etc? If we could see it, we could probably better suggest a ride placement.
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Old 04-29-2010, 08:17 AM
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Mine is placed as regularly as possible.

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My ride is almost dead center above my kick.
Very interesting setup with the remote hats & ride placement HC. Stunning looking kit too. Especially like the earthquake kick and the (18"?) floor tom placed to your left.

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I keep mine right next to the hihat, sometimes even to the left of the hihat. This photo is a bit distorted; that is a 20 ride to my left.
That's interesting DMC. Do you usually play open handed?

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Old 04-29-2010, 10:22 AM
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This isn't my kit; it's one I used in the studio, but it's set up just like mine.



Ride is flat and hovering a little higher than the rack tom. This gives me full access to every playing surface, including the edge for crashing, without making me left my arm uncomfortably high. It's what works for me.
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On my E- practice kit, its on the cymbal next to the hats

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VERY BORING!!! I need to get inspired by Harry & KIS's set ups!

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Mine is pretty standard as well.

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Very interesting setup with the remote hats & ride placement HC. Stunning looking kit too. Especially like the earthquake kick and the (18"?) floor tom placed to your left.
Thanx KIS. It's kinda John Bonham meets Bill Bruford. I just got my matched 14x14 Luddy delivered yesterday (eBay win). Have yet to incorporate it. Then I'll have to add "meets Tony Williams". And yes, that's an 18".
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I keep mine right next to the hihat, sometimes even to the left of the hihat. This photo is a bit distorted; that is a 20 ride to my left.

To the left of the hat? Never heard of that.
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I have mine very high and semi-flat because I frequently use it as a crash.

Those would be some good starting positions, and from there (any one of those pics) you should tweak it until its comfortable for you.


Please ignore that moon gel that "fell" there...




And here's a good one to show off the actual height I have my ride set at.

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I have mine very high compared to most of the ones seen here. Think Todd Sucherman, only not tilted because I frequently use it as a crash.
I don't see any resemblance to Todd Sucherman's ride placement. His ride is positioned in front of his rack toms, not to the right of them like most other drummers prefer (and like you have yours positioned). It obviously works for him, but I cringe a little every time I see him reach for it; he always seems to have to bend forward and stretch his arm very far to reach the ride (especially the bell).

You can sort of see what I mean here:


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I don't see any resemblance to Todd Sucherman's ride placement. His ride is positioned in front of his rack toms, not to the right of them like most other drummers prefer (and like you have yours positioned). It obviously works for him, but I cringe a little every time I see him reach for it; he always seems to have to bend forward and stretch his arm very far to reach the ride (especially the bell).

You can sort of see what I mean here:
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Very nice kit, by the way :-)
hmmm.... at the clinic I went to I seem to remember it being closer to how I have mine set up. oh well. and yeah I totally hear what you're saying about the leaning forward. I wonder if it actually causes him physical pain to play the bell....

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There's no pain or discomfort with my reach at all. I've actually raised and tilted my ride in the last two years---more like I had it in the 90s. I like a little "reach" when I go to the bell. It's like kicking into an overdrive gear and I like that physical feeling. But my shoulder never gets raised or fatigued. The picture of the live rig previously posted was from '07. Pics of a recent Canadian clinic run below...
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Well there you go. Like I said, it obviously works for you ;-)

Here's a good example of what I meant though; to me it seems like you're really stretching your right shoulder to play the bell early in the video, while later on (in the hihat grooves), your shoulder and posture appears a bit more relaxed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujByPDusUqU

You're probably just as relaxed in both cases though (like you said), and it's just a matter of me projecting on to you the way it looks and the way I imagine I'd feel if I did that (if that made any sense) :-)
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Brann Dailor has his setup in an interesting position. It's kind of where you'd put the placement of a gong drum.
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Thomas Pridgen has a similar positioning to Sucherman's, he's using a 24" ride.
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Nothing but comfort there!

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That's interesting DMC. Do you usually play open handed?
Yes, always. I have been playing since 1983 and my first teacher played open (left hand hats and ride) and made me do the same. He said no one ever did anything with their hands crossed and no one should play any instrument with their hands crossed. I am right-handed and I like having my dominant hand on the snare drum, which is the heart of the set. I don't need to lift my hats hand to make way for big snare hits and it is very useful to have the snare, hats and ride close together.

Sometimes people confuse open-handed playing with ambidexterity. I am not ambidextrous and I am just as rigid as any crossed player with my assigned hand roles. So my ride stays to my left and in the past it has been well to the left of the hihat.
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Yes, always. I have been playing since 1983 and my first teacher played open (left hand hats and ride) and made me do the same. He said no one ever did anything with their hands crossed and no one should play any instrument with their hands crossed. I am right-handed and I like having my dominant hand on the snare drum, which is the heart of the set. I don't need to lift my hats hand to make way for big snare hits and it is very useful to have the snare, hats and ride close together.

Sometimes people confuse open-handed playing with ambidexterity. I am not ambidextrous and I am just as rigid as any crossed player with my assigned hand roles. So my ride stays to my left and in the past it has been well to the left of the hihat.
Thanks for that DMC. What you're saying makes complete sense to me. I wish I'd had the foresight to adopt the same posture when I started out. I never had the benefit of guidance on the kit, so I simply adopted the default position of rock players of the day. I'm not sure I could make the switch at my age. If I was a lot younger, or even starting out, I'd certainly see the benefits in doing so.
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