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Old 12-18-2008, 02:30 PM
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I’ve been working a little bit with “4-Way Coordination” by Marvin Dahlgren and Elliot Fin. If any of you have worked with this book before, do you know if you are supposed to swing the eighths or play them straight? Or does it matter?

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Old 12-18-2008, 05:14 PM
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Hello,

I’ve been working a little bit with “4-Way Coordination” by Marvin Dahlgren and Elliot Fin. If any of you have worked with this book before, do you know if you are supposed to swing the eighths or play them straight? Or does it matter?

Thanks for your help,

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You can do what you want with the exercises... :) But they were supposed to play straight because there is special chapter for triplets.
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Old 12-18-2008, 08:11 PM
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.... they were supposed to play straight because there is special chapter for triplets....
Not true, really. This book was written a long time ago, so you can assume a jazz idiom. This means swung triplets.

However, today, it is totally useful to practice them in a latin, funk or rock situations...I mean, why not?

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are you supposed to swing the eighths or play them straight?
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I have not worked with that book before, but here is an good example of Four Way Coordination: Triplets against playing time...By Cindy Blackman.

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/C...anfourway.html

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Not true, really. This book was written a long time ago, so you can assume a jazz idiom. This means swung triplets.

However, today, it is totally useful to practice them in a latin, funk or rock situations...I mean, why not?

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I agree with that interpretation.

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Not true, really. This book was written a long time ago, so you can assume a jazz idiom. This means swung triplets.

However, today, it is totally useful to practice them in a latin, funk or rock situations...I mean, why not?

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It was written in 1963 so I can't say for sure what it was meant for.
Reason why I think that way is exercises in page 28, for example. Right hand is playing standard spang a lang pattern and it's written out in triplets not eights. Same for page 29, 30, 33 and so on. They could have written out that it's meant to play in swing in that lengthy introduction.
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eh, never mind. everything's been said.

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It was written in 1963 so I can't say for sure what it was meant for.
Reason why I think that way is exercises in page 28, for example. Right hand is playing standard spang a lang pattern and it's written out in triplets not eights. Same for page 29, 30, 33 and so on. They could have written out that it's meant to play in swing in that lengthy introduction.
On page 28, your answer is in the very first bar. That could never have been written as 8th notes.

The excercises on page 4 are in 8th notes. and in the instructions on page three they suggest playing 1 measure jazz time and one measure of the excercise....

What can I say, it's a jazz book.

And you should interpret it in any way you want. after all, it's just a lot of notes....use them for good.

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On page 28, your answer is in the very first bar. That could never have been written as 8th notes.

The excercises on page 4 are in 8th notes. and in the instructions on page three they suggest playing 1 measure jazz time and one measure of the excercise....

What can I say, it's a jazz book.

And you should interpret it in any way you want. after all, it's just a lot of notes....use them for good.

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Yeah you are right.
I've never practiced eight notes from this book in swing thought I'm playing mainly jazz :) Actually that example in page 3 tricked me into thinking that 8 notes are straight, because two measures of swing pattern is written out in triplets and right after that two bars with eights.
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Thank you everyone for your input. I have been swinging them, but I wasn't 100% sure if that was the intention of the authors. I'll just keep swinging them.

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