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Old 04-18-2019, 09:25 PM
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Yes.

Timing...dynamics...tuning...differences between keeping the stick on the head vrs playing far more staccato WHEN I INTEND IT...how the sounds from outside were changing the sounds I was making on the set which I could generalize to how bandmates would effect my playing by what they are playing....finding more interesting things to say on the set by finding my duplications and avoidances....

Record and, arguably more important....listen back more than once...

Listen for unintentional flams between limbs...and flams/ruffs that didn't come out distinct....ghosting that was not as quiet or clean as I thought...on and on and on....


And I agree about what others have said...try to be constructive for and kind to yourself...first bit can be shocking.
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Old 04-18-2019, 09:34 PM
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The main thing I got from recording, for me personally is....don't try too hard. It's just fine unless I try too hard. Keeping good feeling time and tempo comes off way better than me trying to be an "awesome" drummer. It works to my benefit, not my detriment, to play less. But that's my situation only and doesn't apply across the board by any means.
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:04 PM
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Yes I like to record myself, ether live with the band at a gig or practicing alone. Sometimes it helps with subtleties and dynamics that are not apparent from behind the kit or when you are playing in the moment. Also sometimes I am surprised by how good something comes out. Usually I am looking for all the mistakes LOL
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:24 PM
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I'm recording pretty much every day.

All I need to do to find value is to compare the first take of any song to the last.

It's usually a remarkable difference.
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Record and, arguably more important....listen back more than once
Unless the suck factor prevents any more listening.
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:02 AM
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Unless the suck factor prevents any more listening.
Personally, I would say especially if the suck factor makes you want to never listen again. You learn the most from your biggest mistakes
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:59 AM
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This is a timely resurrection of this thread.

Although recording has made me better, I was just listening to some isolated tracks and I'm ready to quit again. Even though everything is clicked, I still hear myself wandering around a bit. How the heck can you wander between the 1 and 4? It doesn't show in the full mix but I can clearly here it isolated.

I'm going to go with the simple fix and not listen to the isolated tracks anymore :)
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:15 AM
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Personally, I would say especially if the suck factor makes you want to never listen again. You learn the most from your biggest mistakes
Agree with this 100%. Some times the suck factor is introduced by something you think is insignificant, a little accent or even as much as a ďsignature.Ē You then listen back and are horrified by the actual impact! Itís helped me to ďcut the crapĒ at a minimum. Itís definitely helped me clean up areas too. Some of it wasnít my fault per se, but the inability to hear myself play before recording gear. All in all I would say the investment in recording gear has been 100% worth it and way more useful than another snare or cymbals. Best to buy those after!
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:50 PM
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Yeah...learning to be comfortable with 'the cringe factor' is deeply important when listening back...its the only way to isolate the components of your planning that you want to make the biggest target of improvement.

I found a lot of my cringe factor to be the overall sound and mix....but of the things going on once I listened a few time(and chewed my nails down to the quick) were more subtle...and were making a large amount of the sound problems.

Record/playback is an essential tool in learning, in my opinion.
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Old 04-30-2019, 08:54 PM
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One thing I learned from listening back that applies to my situation is that I DON'T want to cut through the mix.
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Old 05-01-2019, 03:15 AM
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Personally, I would say especially if the suck factor makes you want to never listen again. You learn the most from your biggest mistakes
My point was, if the recording reveals drumming so bad, so sucky, then don't listen again and go back to the woodshed. Don't waste any time lamenting a lame performance.
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Old 05-03-2019, 01:29 PM
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Didn't start drumming until late in life, but I've always recorded myself.

Generally we evolve in this regard over time, but most people need many years of playing before they're able to really heard what's going on as their mind is pretty much preoccupied by the physics of what they themselves are doing.

It's an eye opener for most.

I can remember my first recording session and it was pretty much all "red light syndrome." Very little else.

Same goes for the stage.

Recordings don't lie and when you don't have to concentrate on anything else you can easily hear what's going on and you then know exactly what you should be working on.

Many students start recording their own stuff quite early these days. It's usually quite evident, as they generally play way cleaner than those who don't.
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Old 05-03-2019, 01:46 PM
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Interesting how many people on here are not happy with their performance after listening to a recording. Which begs the question - are we EVER totally happy with a performance, or are we always trying to get to that level (but never able to reach it)?
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The main thing I got from recording, for me personally is....don't try too hard. It's just fine unless I try too hard.
This reminds me of something Ra Kalam Bob Moses said in a recent MD interview:

"It's [playing music] like getting in a car that's already driving. You don't need to do anything."
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Interesting how many people on here are not happy with their performance after listening to a recording. Which begs the question - are we EVER totally happy with a performance, or are we always trying to get to that level (but never able to reach it)?
I record myself as much as possible (which isnít much when I get busy with work) and most of the time I find that after many takes (trying various rhythms & fills) Iím able to whittle my performance down to something I really like.

For me, itís a laborious process Ďcuz I rarely like what I initially play. But the process of exploration & experimentation is really fun.

One of my faves, along with how my kit sounds can be seen/heard here.

That said, I still marvel at Ringo Starr and the performances he put together, especially on Abbey Road. I donít know how many takes he had, but Iím sure itís far less than what I do.
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Old 05-03-2019, 03:05 PM
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I started off as a "sub until we can find a 'real' drummer" for a church praise team, so I was doing weekly performances right from the start. With that church it was like pulling teeth to get recordings of the services, but when I did get them, they were very eye opening. I had a lot of the same bad habits many novice drummers have, such as hitting too hard, not playing with nuance, pushing through fills, etc.
That's what I'm going through now. they're working out the technical issues now, but I really want to hear the recordings. They think we really sound great. I'm not so sure...At another church, they would occasionally record. At first, the playback was sounding pretty good, then we'd start picking it apart (Coulda done that better, Shoulda done that there, etc.).
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Oh, good god yes.

And I don't think you need high-end equipment to engage in this practice. The iPod recordings I use are not good; they're over-compressed and distorted and uneven. But I can hear my playing, I can hear my timekeeping, and I can tell if I'm locking in with the other players. Doesn't cost me a cent, and it's improved my playing by leaps and bounds. Do it!
I agree with this 100%. I too record band rehearsals on a smart phone and I learn tons. Crude, but elegantly simple. If I had $2000 worth of recording gear and every drum close-mic'ed I suspect I might learn less about how my drums actually sound to the bari sax player and the trumpet section.
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Old 05-08-2019, 05:40 PM
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The answer to the question that you have posed, "what has made me a better player", is playing. Reps. Gigs. Lots of them. I had this discussion with a fellow drummer friend here this past weekend, he was telling me how he could see how much better I am now that a few years ago, and we both agreed it comes primarily from playing out, a lot.

If you can't gig a lot right now, rehearse as much as you can with the guys you play with, and jam with anyone you can. Reps. Reps.

As far as recordings, they show me lots. Usually that I'm going too fast :) They are helpful, too. We have friends record stuff from gigs on their cell phones, it is...illuminating at times.
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:15 PM
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Here is an odd thing I learned from recording. I have been playing with a click for years, both in the studio and live. It has become second nature.

Everything appears to be in order when I listen to the the full band tracks but, if I solo the drums on a live recording, I can sometimes hear the drums wandering.

I don't know if my brain has been conditioned to hear the fluctuations or if it is some kind of audio illusion. It doesn't seem like there is any room to wander between the 1 and 4 but, I sometimes hear it.
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Old 05-08-2019, 08:25 PM
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I found that recording myself, whether via video or audio, was beneficial because it forced me to see/hear myself objectively. There's nothing more sobering and humbling than to play a performance that felt flawless, then to hear yourself and go, "Whoa, is that me?" While this can be demoralizing at first, it can serve to fuel you towards better practice and performance if you seek to improve upon what you recorded.

It can be a bitter pill to swallow, but it's worth it when you put in the work and see/hear your improvement over time.
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Old 05-09-2019, 05:18 AM
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My band has been practicing in my studio.
I record a lot of our songs while we practice.

It's the worst sounds in the world.
The songwriter sounds like a dying mental patient.

Somehow, when we record in a legit studio, it sounds okay.

I don't know if people pull it together or what, but in my place, it sounds like someone needs a beating, but I truly have a heart for her.
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Old 05-10-2019, 01:55 AM
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I suggest everyone take even a cellphone and record them selves playing and watch it back.

The camera doesn't lie, your brain does.. ESPECIALLY when it comes to speeding up fills, or thinking you are playing a sick groove. When you hear back it never sounds as good as you think. It's normal but is a great tool to help you improve.

I find when I listen back I over play too often. It has made me hold back much more.
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Old 05-10-2019, 02:56 AM
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That's what I'm going through now. they're working out the technical issues now, but I really want to hear the recordings. They think we really sound great. I'm not so sure...At another church, they would occasionally record. At first, the playback was sounding pretty good, then we'd start picking it apart (Coulda done that better, Shoulda done that there, etc.).
That right there is what takes people to the next level - it's gaining the awareness that what you think you're playing in the moment isn't necessarily what's actually coming through, and then working to try to make those two things meet.

This is constantly a struggle for me with everything I do - drums, trumpet and vocals. I do vocal projects at home against karaoke tracks, mainly to keep my singing chops up, but also because my wife likes them. :-)
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:11 PM
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I would say it has for sure, but I still have a long way to go before I've even gotten the most out of the initial lessons you can learn hearing yourself back.

The main one as with most other people here is of course, timing. Oh god. The timing. Even playing mostly on beat/roughly in time can sound pretty bad when hearing yourself back, revealed to me at least that I was nowhere near as advanced as I thought technique wise and I'm still not, at least as far as sounding good goes.

Gives me a new appreciation for more technical drummers I've looked up to for years like Matt Garstka and Larnell Lewis for how they manage not only to pull off their ludicrous antics but sound so tight and crisp on top of that.

Really, recording myself confirmed what I suspected for a while, that there's levels to playing the same song, groove or type of beat beyond just playing it 'correctly'. As a result, even if you think you can play such-and-such advanced techniques and song that are at the limit of your ability, it's only something you've been able to do 'correctly' for a handful of years that you're truly able to do while sounding good.

Keeping old recordings is also great motivation for contrasting how much you've improved, or a wake-up call if you haven't gotten much better, either way a net positive if you put in the actual hours and step outside your comfort zone to see results.
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I made a recording of my practice a few days ago. I was surprised, I sound better than I thought I did.
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I made a recording of my practice a few days ago. I was surprised, I sound better than I thought I did.
I like when that happens!
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Old 05-13-2019, 05:33 AM
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I often record my bands gigs with a little gopro on the side of the stage, or sometimes we have people film us etc. It's crazy how you can feel one way in the moment, but then listen back and it's a complete 180.

I have played shows I though I wasn't on my game, and listened back and was pretty impressed with myself. I have had it the opposite too.

Often if I just set up a camera and play I can tell every little timing mistake much more. Even recording to a click that playback tells all. I am much more critical onmyself than other though. And once you add guitar and bass in a band setting the sound isn't as bare and it's harder to tell. I practice to a click all the time and that is the best advice for working on your time.

Even double the speed/subdivision of the metronome and play to it. This is something that takes a long time to get down but you will be happy when it clicks.

Videos are a great way to look back in a year and feel good about yourself too if you practice alot.
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:25 PM
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Yes, much better.

1. Certain tempos were too fast. I corrected this, and the band is very happy about it.

2.Certain things I was doing while playing sounded good on the recording.

3. Certain things did not sound good (to my ears) and I changed them.
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In my case, how I did it was/is by subtraction. There's parts of the song I'm happy with. There's parts of the song I'm not happy with. So I decide what to do with the parts I don't like, and usually just play the beat straight through the offending part.

The result is that I improve by subtraction. Since the music I play is groove based, I found that keeping time ALWAYS works, many times better than me putting something in.

Another thing I used to do....any fills I would take, I used to play with too much volume. Simply by playing the same exact part at a lower dynamic worked wonders in a lot of cases.

Dynamics are my best friend. Well actually my recorder is. An essential tool for any musician.

If you aren't big on fills like me, dynamics and good steady time and a keen sense of tempo...are what separate the real musicians from the rest of the pack, in my world anyway.
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Another thing I used to do....any fills I would take, I used to play with too much volume. Simply by playing the same exact part at a lower dynamic worked wonders in a lot of cases.
There was this 16th note snare drum fill over one bar that I was doing in a particular song that sounded bad to me. I changed it and did the same fill, but started quiet and did a crescendo and man, it sounded so much better....

Also I find it helpful what you wrote. If you don't like a certain part, just play time...thanks for the tips.
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I record myself every week or two just using a crappy smartphone. My first recording was literally a month after I picked up drumsticks for the first time.

Recording has helped me focus on things like dynamics (which still need a ton of work) and helps me figure out what does and does not sound good. Sometimes the grooves that sound good in my head sound like garbage when I play them, and other times parts that feel really hokey end up sounding cool. Having a recording allows me to transcribe parts so I can remember them later.

It's also a confidence builder to hear my progress over time, which inspires me to keep practicing! Those first recordings...wow.
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Old 05-20-2019, 12:47 PM
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I like to video myself now and again during practise...it ensures I'm not flailing around like a mad person as I like to be tucked in tight and economical and I know its helping me improve.
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Old 05-20-2019, 09:30 PM
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I like to video myself now and again during practise...it ensures I'm not flailing around like a mad person as I like to be tucked in tight and economical and I know its helping me improve.
I put ankle weights on my wrists and it FORCED me to be economical. Even taught me to use rotation of my wrist and general finger usage with much more power than I thought either could do! Also improved my posture on the set - if I moved with the weights it would take more time to get back to where I was.

No waving my arm over the head a'la 80's hair band stunts for me! ; )

It also narrowed my targets WAY down...so my sound became more consistent when I want it to be. My wear marks went from pretty much 30% of the head with a majority at about 10% of the head to right at 15% with the majority at around 5%.
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