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Old 09-27-2018, 03:01 PM
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It seems to me utilization of Drummerworld Forums is way down. Unless Bo is posting about his latest acquisition or change of style or whatever his latest investment is (lol), there's really not much content here anymore. I remember when I joined just a few years ago the usage seemed much higher and frequent with many active topics. Now, some sub-forums may only have one active thread, and that thread may only have one post for the day.

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Old 09-27-2018, 03:03 PM
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All the forums I visit (Cars, Drums etc) are all suffering now. Faceache seems to have taken everyone away. I find forums to be much better as searching on Faceache is a nightmare.
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Old 09-27-2018, 03:21 PM
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It is 0820 here in Florida, and at the current time, 245 members are viewing threads currently posted. I have seen other forums that could only dream of having that many visits at one time. Your observation may be true, but I'm only showing what is current.
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Old 09-27-2018, 03:41 PM
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I started as a drummer in the 70’s then switched to bass guitar full time in the 80’s then came back to drums in 2016.

I am also a member ( not too active now) on Talkbass, and that is a thriving forum.

That may be because bass players are even more anal and geeky about their craft than drummers. :D

When I started playing drums again I searched through all the drum forums, and found this one to by far have the most content and activity.
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It is 0820 here in Florida, and at the current time, 245 members are viewing threads currently posted. I have seen other forums that could only dream of having that many visits at one time. Your observation may be true, but I'm only showing what is current.
Those guest numbers are bots or other types of non-human users, correct? That's part of why there were over 300 new users added on 9/24, although none of them have made a post, the majority don't have usernames related to drumming, and many of them include links in their profile to various phishing sites.


I mean, between August 27 and today there have been 3,991 new members added and they've made a total of 62 posts.

Like Frosticles said, every forum I'm a member of has seen a drastic reduction in participation over the years and all are currently at their lowest point.

As of the time of this post:

DrumForum.org: 83 members, 642 guests; 11.5% human users
Pearl Drummers Forum: 99 members, 7,129 guests; 1.4% human users
Vintage Drum Forum: 15 members, 405 guests; 3.6% human users
Drummerworld: 27 members, 382 guests; 6.6% human users
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Old 09-27-2018, 04:00 PM
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I started as a drummer in the 70’s then switched to bass guitar full time in the 80’s then came back to drums in 2016.

I am also a member ( not too active now) on Talkbass, and that is a thriving forum.

That may be because bass players are even more anal and geeky about their craft than drummers. :D

When I started playing drums again I searched through all the drum forums, and found this one to by far have the most content and activity.
This is EXACTLY my story, if you replace 70s and 80s to 80s and 90s.

Also frequent talkbass (but not as much anymore).

Also back to drums in 2016.

On TB I used to end with: :T$ now I just use T.


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Old 09-27-2018, 04:40 PM
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I am also a member ( not too active now) on Talkbass, and that is a thriving forum.

That may be because bass players are even more anal and geeky about their craft than drummers. :D
I also noodle around on bass and visit the Talkbass forum regularly and the amount of daily posts over there surprised me from the start until today.
Start a thead on P vs J, what flats do you prefer, today's Which tuning frequency should I set on my tuner? or start any kind of poll and you end up with dozens or even hundreds of posts in half a day (or so).
I had no idea before that bass players were that kind of chatterboxes.

The downside is that good replies get buried down by a lot of crap talk. I usually only read the first replies of an interesting topic, don't want to waste my time on the rest, usually not worth the time.

On this forum there are much less active members, thread starters and replies but most posts seem to be more serious, educational and/or helpful instead of 'carrot posts' with not much more usefulness than to push up the posts and likes count.
And people who have been around longer might get tired to reply again to Should I buy 5A or 7A sticks? or whatever common topic appears again.

BTW: not a judgement, just an observation, different people have different reasons for visiting forums.
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Old 09-27-2018, 05:39 PM
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I think there are busy and not-so-busy times with many of these types of sites.

I used to be more active here but things in my life have changed since I first joined and used to post a lot more. As time went on rehashing the same ideas and concepts over and over and over became less appealing to me. That doesn’t mean they aren’t important from an original poster stand point, but on the other end, it became redundant to keep tying the same info.

Life has become MUCH busier for me so there’s MUCH less time for me to check in.

I have other non-drumming musical instrument pursuits now and visit those related forums occasionally – but still not often. Those forums have much less activity and history than this one does. This is still the best forum on the planet for drum related conversations.

Will end by saying over the years I’ve spent here, I’ve “met” a handful of incredible people who have inspired me – taught me so much - and have made me laugh more times than one can imagine. We may have even shared differences of opinion but at the end of the day we have/had even more in common. I hope these few know who they are (hint: Anthony and 8Mile + a few others I’m failing to remember the user names).

There will always be new users joining (maybe less so than 5 years ago) and people always seeking information. There is SO much info that someone can learn here just from conducting a search that would last a lifetime.

Music and gear are always evolving so those questions that lead to ideas/concepts and assistance with gear will continue as well - assuming the platform doesn’t disappear or become extinct.
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Old 09-27-2018, 05:46 PM
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Bike Forums and also Steve Hoffman Music Forums, two other I frequent, literally buzz with postings threads and responses. Sometimes on Steve Hoffman I'll post a comment about a turntable or speakers and there will be 10 or more responses within the hour, and new threads pop up all the time almost by the minute on equipment.

Seems this forum is dying a slow death. Bo can always get it stirred up with his latest look at me look at what I'm doing threads he starts, but then they die out quickly.

I see the slo-down of Drummerworld Forums as a recent phenomena within last 6 months.

If there were 245 real human members viewing, I'd expect more postings this morning than what are actually here, and from a variety of users. It's gotten down to a handful of regular users posting and not much more.I can post a question about a snare drum now and get 1 or 2 responses, and over a few weeks maybe 10-20. Last year I'd get 20 or more in 24 hours.

Besides just my observation and lamenting the slow down, it also is harder now to find out good information from a variety and volume of users on equipment. With only a handful of users participating, the perspective you get on equipment is very limited.

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Old 09-27-2018, 05:48 PM
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Don't know how much is seasonal, summer, back to school or whatever. But it ebbs and flows.
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Old 09-27-2018, 05:50 PM
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I read almost every post, in the general discussion area of this forum, and enjoy it. Oh, and this is the only forum, I have ever kept up with. So, I think it's doing a great job. If there were tons and tons of posts, and they all seemed, just random, I'd probably loose interest.

Posts on this forum, are more about quality, over quantity.

I also think more people access the internet, via smart phone over laptop, as most did in the past. While, I have yet to buy a smartphone. And I don't ever want to buy a smartphone.
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Old 09-27-2018, 06:02 PM
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I read most of the new threads daily. I don't post much. I used to frequent several forums, but many have devolved into cliques that inadvertently drive others away, especially if politics are allowed.

I used to frequent 2-3 golf forums, 5-6 guitar forums, and another 3-4 drum forums. Now, just a couple of drum forums.

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Old 09-27-2018, 06:09 PM
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Interesting how many of you also frequent TalkBass/dabble in bass...

I used to go to that site years ago but ran away. But I did get out of the experience that Chris Squire is apparently the greatest bassist ever.
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Old 09-27-2018, 06:27 PM
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I try to check in at least once a day. Other days, I'll have it up on my computer at work ALL DAY! :-D

As it's been frowned upon to take a thread from long ago and "resurrect" it, many new topics run their course pretty quick.
Maybe we could change how this is perceived and that might generate more topics of interest?

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I noticed the same phenomena dmacc mentioned. I've seen so many threads on the same subjects that I'm like...been there done that.

I could see how a cycle is involved here. People discover DW, are very active for a few (or more) years, then it becomes old hat to them.

So we need a new crop of people discovering DW to replace the ones who fade away.

For me, the golden age of DW was when I joined in 2008 to about 2014 or so.

We had a lot of characters that just aren't around anymore.

Still, I like it here. It's the only place in my world where my opinion might actually mean something to someone else.
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For me, the golden age of DW was when I joined in 2008 to about 2014 or so.

We had a lot of characters that just aren't around anymore.

Still, I like it here. It's the only place in my world where my opinion might actually mean something to someone else.
This is exactly what I was thinking. The forum then was almost less about drums and more of a social media platform. I feel like I knew those people and we all interacted with each other on a personal level. Alas, the only constant is change.
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This is exactly what I was thinking. The forum then was almost less about drums and more of a social media platform. I feel like I knew those people and we all interacted with each other on a personal level. Alas, the only constant is change.
Right? I know I went beyond the topic of drumming with some of the "old" regulars here. It was more like spending time with friends than discussing drums and drumming.

I do appreciate the long standing (suffering?) members who have not faded away.
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Well, that fact that this forum hasn't been updated in over 10 years probably has something to do with it.
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Old 09-27-2018, 08:34 PM
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From what I can see, usage and participation across all the forums I've been involved with is down. I'm not altogether sure why.

I used to frequent the Pearl Drummers Forum, but I took an unplanned hiatus for a bit, and apparently while I was gone, they brought the hammer down on certain types of posts and posting. The ban hammer was being liberally used, and when the smoke cleared, it went from a forum that was so busy I sometimes couldn't keep up with the new threads listing to a forum that is so slow, I can go for days without seeing it without really missing anything.

Both of the trumpet player forums are the same too.

Part of it might be me. There are only so many times I can respond to the same, "which horn should I get," or "which mouthpiece should I move to," before I get tired of seeing the same old tired questions that have already been asked and answered dozens of times.

In any case, I joined up here because I figured it would be more active than the PDF, and it is, but not by much. I think that the forum has mostly fallen out of fashion.
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Old 09-27-2018, 09:44 PM
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Well, that fact that this forum hasn't been updated in over 10 years probably has something to do with it.
This I think may also goes hand-in-hand with how people now access the internet these days. Many use their phones via and app which reduces the desire to access from a browser.

Though it was done in 2008 when I joined - it wasn't as prevalent as it is now??

I don't think there is a DW mobile app - is there? Heck - this isn't even a secure site (https:) which many take exception to these days (and rightfully so).

Then again, it's all free in cost so the owner(s) of the site make the decisions.


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..Those guest numbers are bots or other types of non-human users, correct?..

Everyone who reads the forum without being logged in, is a guest..At least thats how i always understood those numbers..

But, besides the fact that the forum seems to be a little dead lately, i also have the feeling that the discussions are way more mild than they were before..

Thats at least the feeling i always get when i read back discussions from a few years ago..

Regarding the look of the forum i would not change/update anything btw..

As a forum the place has a nice and clear appearance, especially compared to all the other ones i saw..
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Count me in as “guilty”. I posted more when I was in the market for a snare or new drum kit. Now that I have what I want, I have fewer questions, and hence fewer posts. However I still check in multiple times a day, and always read new posts by others. At the end of the day, I still enjoy coming here just to learn.
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Old 09-28-2018, 03:37 AM
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Become a Mod and you get to read and peruse everything. a whole bunch you'd rather do without.
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I joined in 2007 but was pretty quiet participating-working a lot then. But I always enjoyed the banter-there were some characters. When I quit working my participation went up. It feels like real friends in person cause we can give each other shit without offense-cause oddly that's what friends often do is bust each other "chops". Which I guess is appropriate since its a drum forum LOL. It's a nice community, caring people, see nice side of humanity and mostly civil. The civil part needs a lot of encouragement in our society today-cause it's often missing.
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Become a Mod and you get to read and peruse everything. a whole bunch you'd rather do without.
Johnny that is a great idea-I think every member should have to serve a mandatory sentence of being a Mod for at least one year. Course for that year you can't be partial to anyone or show a friendship-least you are accused of bias. Then you can't really start a bunch of threads that as a moderator you would have to delete-ouch. Spending time "having to read" through threads to make sure appropriate and everyone plays well together. Then forget the loads of grief and crap people are going to give you because, lord forbid, you uphold the rules posted plain for all to see. Why always shoot the messenger?
Who wants to go first? Sounds so inviting when I explain the realities of the position. I count my blessing we got Johnny-I can't think of any poster who could fill his shoes as our moderator.
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More debate and contrarianism ( and less gear) might hold peoples attention. People are drawn to a healthy argument. New members could be good for stirring the pot that way by not knowing old members entrenched views. One can only view new snare and drumkit threads for so long.
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Johnny that is a great idea-I think every member should have to serve a mandatory sentence of being a Mod for at least one year. Course for that year you can't be partial to anyone or show a friendship-least you are accused of bias. Then you can't really start a bunch of threads that as a moderator you would have to delete-ouch. Spending time "having to read" through threads to make sure appropriate and everyone plays well together. Then forget the loads of grief and crap people are going to give you because, lord forbid, you uphold the rules posted plain for all to see. Why always shoot the messenger?
Who wants to go first? Sounds so inviting when I explain the realities of the position. I count my blessing we got Johnny-I can't think of any poster who could fill his shoes as our moderator.
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Everyone who reads the forum without being logged in, is a guest..At least thats how i always understood those numbers..

But, besides the fact that the forum seems to be a little dead lately, i also have the feeling that the discussions are way more mild than they were before..

Thats at least the feeling i always get when i read back discussions from a few years ago..

Regarding the look of the forum i would not change/update anything btw..

As a forum the place has a nice and clear appearance, especially compared to all the other ones i saw..
Which would still include bots and web searches, because there's no way on earth there are hundreds of active guests viewing the forum at any moment of the day.
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From what I can see, usage and participation across all the forums I've been involved with is down. I'm not altogether sure why.


... I think that the forum has mostly fallen out of fashion.
I agree.

I also frequent (tho admittedly not nearly as much as I used to) Vmax.Net [Forum for the legendary YAMAHA V-Max 145HP 4 cyl. Musclebike, as I own one, hence my screen name]. I joined that one in 2012 when I finally got one, after lurking on the forum for years. Participation is waay lower than it used to be.


But, as in most forums, people get scolded for "asking the same newbie questions" over and over, as well as scolded for responding to a "zombie thread". So which is it?..do I start a new thread about an old subject, or resurrect a zombie? Personally, I think a new thread asking the same questions week after week is better for traffic for new folks, yea, it gets old answering the same questions weekly, BUT sometimes people answers/suggestions can change/evolve. Well, except the ol' "What's the best Bass for metal?" question. (to which the answer is always a P-Bass with flats and a Tort pickguard- The answer for everything on Talkbass. ;) )


As mentioned, I think "FakeBook", or NarcissistBook, or whatever (which I can not stand, and do not participate in) took a lot of forum people away from everywhere. They can discuss all of their interests in one place, Advertise whatever they want, LIKE comments, (which all forums should have, btw, hint) etc., without having to visit multiple forums and such.


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Actually I'm always signed on (so I may not actually have it open) and I bet many have their computer the same-so maybe just connected and appear "active" and not actually viewing? People come and go and often due to time constraints. I was disappointed that Dizzeee gave up on drumming -I was enjoying his journey. I'm sure many old active posters may look in but just not bother to speak up-I've gone though spells like that-course now I'm "Gabby" but I fluctuate. We do get a bit silly at times and argue over inane little things and sometimes I fear that scares off those more serious oriented. Actually reading Mitch's obituary about little patience for nonsense got me thinking about that-I never thought about people actually being offended by the nonsense.
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All drum forums are dying. In its heyday, some threads that were on the top of the first page in the morning on the PDF would be on the bottom of the second by evening. The PDF has been down for maintenance

Ghostnote is barely hanging on and Drumsmith is all but dead along many others have been long gone for years.

I suggest people get outside connections to all the people you like because who’s to say when any of these will completely pull the plug.
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All drum forums are dying. In its heyday, some threads that were on the top of the first page in the morning on the PDF would be on the bottom of the second by evening. The PDF has been down for maintenance

Ghostnote is barely hanging on and Drumsmith is all but dead along many others have been long gone for years.

I suggest people get outside connections to all the people you like because who’s to say when any of these will completely pull the plug.
What if we are witnessing an extinction event. I noted an article where anecdotally a note of fewer insects on car windshields-scientist found there is a mass decrease in all species. Maybe we are a dying breed and just dying out?
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All drum forums are dying. In its heyday, some threads that were on the top of the first page in the morning on the PDF would be on the bottom of the second by evening. The PDF has been down for maintenance

Ghostnote is barely hanging on and Drumsmith is all but dead along many others have been long gone for years.

I suggest people get outside connections to all the people you like because who’s to say when any of these will completely pull the plug.
Ghostnote.net is now only a FAcebook page . .Net is no longer.
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What if we are witnessing an extinction event. I noted an article where anecdotally a note of fewer insects on car windshields-scientist found there is a mass decrease in all species. Maybe we are a dying breed and just dying out?
I personally think drums as a featured instrument is dying due to rock dying and EDM and Hip-hop taking over.

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From what I can see, usage and participation across all the forums I've been involved with is down. I'm not altogether sure why.

I used to frequent the Pearl Drummers Forum, but I took an unplanned hiatus for a bit, and apparently while I was gone, they brought the hammer down on certain types of posts and posting. The ban hammer was being liberally used, and when the smoke cleared, it went from a forum that was so busy I sometimes couldn't keep up with the new threads listing to a forum that is so slow, I can go for days without seeing it without really missing anything.

Both of the trumpet player forums are the same too.

Part of it might be me. There are only so many times I can respond to the same, "which horn should I get," or "which mouthpiece should I move to," before I get tired of seeing the same old tired questions that have already been asked and answered dozens of times.

In any case, I joined up here because I figured it would be more active than the PDF, and it is, but not by much. I think that the forum has mostly fallen out of fashion.
As a former mod, though it cut down on the activity due to its “entertainment” value, I definitely put the ban hammer down on internet bullying. If the member brought it on to himself, one subpar, unestablished drummer who used to challenge other members to drum battles and created his own Wikipedia page comes to mind, I let the thread run its course. But if he or others were brought up unproked in a negative way in a thread they were not even participating in, I banned the member who did it.
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What if we are witnessing an extinction event. I noted an article where anecdotally a note of fewer insects on car windshields-scientist found there is a mass decrease in all species. Maybe we are a dying breed and just dying out?
Not a chance: https://www.census.gov/popclock/

There is the definite possibility though, IMO, that the human population is increasing at the expense of other species.

I don't really have input on forum declines. I only use forums. Never did any of the face or twit things.
I do think there's a natural ebb and flow on forums, but beyond that, I'm clueless.

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What if we are witnessing an extinction event. I noted an article where anecdotally a note of fewer insects on car windshields-scientist found there is a mass decrease in all species. Maybe we are a dying breed and just dying out?
The Earth is trying to get rid of us. We are it's flu, and it's only way to combat this is natural disasters. "Global Warming" has increased natural disasters, hurricanes, floods, drought, food shortages, etc. This is the planets immune system, as the Earth is a living thing. That's my take on it anyhow.

This is the only forum I participate in. No FB, Twitter, any of that crap. This is the only place I can find like minded individuals who enjoy talking drums that aren't a bunch of tools. It might be slow, but slow trumps dead any day of the week.
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Not a chance: https://www.census.gov/popclock/

There is the definite possibility though, IMO, that the human population is increasing at the expense of other species.

I don't really have input on forum declines. I only use forums. Never did any of the face or twit things.
I do think there's a natural ebb and flow on forums, but beyond that, I'm clueless.

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Absolutely wild bill when we take over wetlands, carbon sinks and other habitats we expand our carrying capacity at the expense of other species (it drives extinction events which changes ecosystems-did you read the effects of the loss of wolves and now reintroduction in Yellowstone-it affects everything from plants, trees, even waterways, etc. . I think climate change is driven by all our activities (land use, agriculture, concrete production, etc) and just our presence-in fact fossil fuels produce such a small amount of carbon budget that is believed to be responsible for forcing-but the fact is if we had a healthy normal Carbon cycle then likely it could compensate much better. We are fighting declining odds-a study showed ocean phytoplankton down 50% since 1950s, there is less oxygen in the atmosphere now as more carbon dioxide, we have been in a human driven extinction event the last 10k years starting with humans driving megafauna to extinction, almost all animal species are in decline except humans and rats. We have lost huge amounts of biomass and that is what is central to the Carbon cycle. The greatest change in climate has happened exactly and proportional to the most rapid rate in human growth population. We are basically reaching the limit of the carrying capacity for humans on earth-just too many of us. Way too many people in the US our carrying capacity is 200 million we are over 300 million-you see states fighting over water-other resources will come up too. do believe there are lost of strategies to address this and our energy needs but politicians are driving this rather than scientist. Kyoto, Paris Accord, all efforts have been a sham and failure in the history of trying to address the problem. The Paris accord was doomed at onset as UNEP reported oops we miscalculated, then later two Nature papers found that it was too little and no compliance. It's always the same when we let political entities address a problem-they are all idiots. But I think we can reverse all of and jump start the earth-with little need to economically burden people, or create new clever ways to pollute that grows into it's own money making business like cap and trade-a dismal failure. We need to tell them all to shove it-human have been dealing with climate change the last 250000 years and now we have biotechnology that we can help life mitigate climate change to avoid the fears of scientist that life doesn't have enough time to evolve to such rapid changes-well we can help. We can rebuild ecosystem, recovering exhaust from fossil fuel use and recycling back to fuel will end the need for more new mining (this technology is here), as well as biosequestering carbon to reduce our footprint.
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Wow...talk about Darwinism and evolution....look how this thread I started morphed lol.


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Absolutely wild bill when we take over wetlands, carbon sinks and other habitats we expand our carrying capacity at the expense of other species (it drives extinction events which changes ecosystems-did you read the effects of the loss of wolves and now reintroduction in Yellowstone-it affects everything from plants, trees, even waterways, etc. . I think climate change is driven by all our activities (land use, agriculture, concrete production, etc) and just our presence-in fact fossil fuels produce such a small amount of carbon budget that is believed to be responsible for forcing-but the fact is if we had a healthy normal Carbon cycle then likely it could compensate much better. We are fighting declining odds-a study showed ocean phytoplankton down 50% since 1950s, there is less oxygen in the atmosphere now as more carbon dioxide, we have been in a human driven extinction event the last 10k years starting with humans driving megafauna to extinction, almost all animal species are in decline except humans and rats. We have lost huge amounts of biomass and that is what is central to the Carbon cycle. The greatest change in climate has happened exactly and proportional to the most rapid rate in human growth population. We are basically reaching the limit of the carrying capacity for humans on earth-just too many of us. Way too many people in the US our carrying capacity is 200 million we are over 300 million-you see states fighting over water-other resources will come up too. do believe there are lost of strategies to address this and our energy needs but politicians are driving this rather than scientist. Kyoto, Paris Accord, all efforts have been a sham and failure in the history of trying to address the problem. The Paris accord was doomed at onset as UNEP reported oops we miscalculated, then later two Nature papers found that it was too little and no compliance. It's always the same when we let political entities address a problem-they are all idiots. But I think we can reverse all of and jump start the earth-with little need to economically burden people, or create new clever ways to pollute that grows into it's own money making business like cap and trade-a dismal failure. We need to tell them all to shove it-human have been dealing with climate change the last 250000 years and now we have biotechnology that we can help life mitigate climate change to avoid the fears of scientist that life doesn't have enough time to evolve to such rapid changes-well we can help. We can rebuild ecosystem, recovering exhaust from fossil fuel use and recycling back to fuel will end the need for more new mining (this technology is here), as well as biosequestering carbon to reduce our footprint.
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