Anon La Ply
Diamond Member
A couple of interesting threads going from Caz and Earthrocker about timing within a band.
WhoIsTony said:
Seems to me that in the old days - with so much less rhythmic accountability - there was a lot more tolerance for timing imperfection than today.
If rhythm was painting, you'd say there was a boom in impressionism and expressionism in the 60s and 70s that's been supplanted by photo realism. We now have tools that produce perfect time and, presumably, audience ears are increasingly being conditioned to enjoy perfect time and to interpret music with push and pull as messy and unappealing. I remember finding the sound of old 78s "yukky" in my teens, which I guess is a similar response to some young people's response to The Stones, The Who etc.
Given that society is using digital tech pretty well everywhere, you'd expect this to be more of a long term trend than a cyclic one. No doubt there will be retro revivals but in 20 years a retro revival will include today's popular sequenced acts.
I wonder if the days of push and pull are numbered or if there is something intrinsic and basic in organic sounds (and images and smells for that matter) that will always draw us, no matter how digital the rest of our lives become? The trend toward glitch beats is interesting in this context ...
That's this week's thought bubble done. Any thoughts?
WhoIsTony said:
on most of the greatest records ever recorded the players are pushing and pulling all over the place....the key is that they moved together so the average ear never hears it
watch most of the best rock and jazz groups ever.....they pull each other around ...it's [fornicating] beautiful
being stubborn and feeling that your time is the only time is probably hurting the music way more than helping it
learn to flex with the emotion of the room
if these cats are doing a lot more than being emotionally elastic then I suggest you find some better people to play with
Seems to me that in the old days - with so much less rhythmic accountability - there was a lot more tolerance for timing imperfection than today.
If rhythm was painting, you'd say there was a boom in impressionism and expressionism in the 60s and 70s that's been supplanted by photo realism. We now have tools that produce perfect time and, presumably, audience ears are increasingly being conditioned to enjoy perfect time and to interpret music with push and pull as messy and unappealing. I remember finding the sound of old 78s "yukky" in my teens, which I guess is a similar response to some young people's response to The Stones, The Who etc.
Given that society is using digital tech pretty well everywhere, you'd expect this to be more of a long term trend than a cyclic one. No doubt there will be retro revivals but in 20 years a retro revival will include today's popular sequenced acts.
I wonder if the days of push and pull are numbered or if there is something intrinsic and basic in organic sounds (and images and smells for that matter) that will always draw us, no matter how digital the rest of our lives become? The trend toward glitch beats is interesting in this context ...
That's this week's thought bubble done. Any thoughts?