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Old 02-19-2013, 04:13 AM
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Hey Drummerworld!

I just bought a 1971 Vintage Ludwig set...24in bass drum, 14in rack tom and 18in floor tom. I'm having some trouble taming the 18 inch floor tom. I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions in regard to tuning/head selection.

Also what would the ideal bass drum head/tuning be if im playing rock music.

heres a link to a video of me playing my style of music with my band MIster Mista:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFRG2FOrMSw

I appreciate the help!

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Old 02-19-2013, 04:21 AM
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Check out the Jeff Ocheltree video on how he tuned Bonham's kit. It'll at least be a good starting point for you.

Enjoy your new ride!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mrNjz_U0ZM
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Old 02-19-2013, 04:54 AM
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Nice tubs.
I use a coated Emperor batter and a clear Ambasador reso, on my '71 Luddie 18.
As far as tuning, what heads are you using now ...... and what problem are you trying to rid?
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Old 02-19-2013, 06:37 AM
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Coated Emperor over coated Ambassador on that 18" floor tom, with resonant head tuned higher than batter head, a la Bonham - do the same for the 14" tom = great sound, warm & punchy.

On the kick, I like Coated Powerstroke 3 on both sides with no other muffling, or Coated Emperor batter and smooth white logo resonant - both with felt strips.

This combo works great on vintage Ludwigs as well as new Classic Maples.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:37 PM
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One tip you might want to try is tuning your floor tom where you want it, and going up in toms from there... in this case, to the 14". I've found if I start tuning the smaller drums first, by the time I get to the floors, the note required is too low (or tuning is too loose). And obviously what might sound too high over the drums usually sounds just right out front (especially with bigger drums).
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:12 PM
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I gotta say, NICE SONG you guys are playing in the vid! I love that bluesy sound. Nice job.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:18 PM
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those dont look like ludwigs, those are dw right?
just relised you said your style, not those drums. sorry about that.
1 have a vintage 18 also. what are you trying to make it sound like?

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If you want a tame floor tom, why did you get the 18" in the first place?
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:10 AM
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@Harry I'm using coated ambassador on the batter and clear ambassadors on the reso. Did just put a coated ambassador on the bottom.

@Adam! Thankyou I will try that!

@Rogue_Drummer Thank you! More to come soon we are recording like crazy in my basement as we speak.

@The Old Hyde I'm not sure exactly what I sound I should go for in regard to the music. I'm going to start by emmulating Bonham's sound and go from there.

Thanks for the help!
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I'm going to start by emmulating Bonham's sound and go from there.
That would be coated Emperor batter and coated Ambassador reso. We have many more "options" available to us, today, than JB had. The Pinstripe wasn't invented until around 1974. Just about all the "old school" tricks involved homemade richie rings and felt. Keep experimenting .... you'll eventually hit a mark you really like.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:30 PM
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I have a old Ludwig 3 ply 18 inch floor tom from the same era. I turned it into a bass drum a few years back but when I used it as a floor tom I used coated ambassador top and bottom tuned fairly high, maybe just below choking and that seemed to work pretty well for this drum.

BTW, it is absofrickenlutely awesome as a bass drum!
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Old 02-24-2013, 10:21 PM
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That would be coated Emperor batter and coated Ambassador reso. We have many more "options" available to us, today, than JB had. The Pinstripe wasn't invented until around 1974. Just about all the "old school" tricks involved homemade richie rings and felt. Keep experimenting .... you'll eventually hit a mark you really like.
I would use a pintripe or Ec2 but I was concerned about it effecting the sound of a drum that already sounds great. Do you think its a good idea anyway?
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I would use a pintripe or Ec2 but I was concerned about it effecting the sound of a drum that already sounds great. Do you think its a good idea anyway?
I have a new Ludwig Classic Maple with 13, 16, and 18" toms. These tubs sound huge and are hard to tame. I like to tune for the most resonance, but it's just too much with these.

I've had the best luck with Coated Vintage Emperors and just recently, Coated Pinstripes. I think the Vintage Emperors may sound a little better, but the Pinstripes are cool to me too. They definitely tame the resonance, but the drums still sound big and deep.

Alot of folks dis the Pinstripes, saying they kill the tone. But I think I've just found out that they can be great for drums that ring just a bit much.

I'm always experimenting with heads, but I think I like heavier heads on the big toms.
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:14 PM
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I have a new Ludwig Classic Maple with 13, 16, and 18" toms. These tubs sound huge and are hard to tame. I like to tune for the most resonance, but it's just too much with these.

I've had the best luck with Coated Vintage Emperors and just recently, Coated Pinstripes. I think the Vintage Emperors may sound a little better, but the Pinstripes are cool to me too. They definitely tame the resonance, but the drums still sound big and deep.

Alot of folks dis the Pinstripes, saying they kill the tone. But I think I've just found out that they can be great for drums that ring just a bit much.

I'm always experimenting with heads, but I think I like heavier heads on the big toms.
Thanks for the info.

Have you ever used the Evans EC2 as opposed to the Remo Pinstripe? Is there a difference in how they effect the tone?
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:16 PM
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Thanks for the info.

Have you ever used the Evans EC2 as opposed to the Remo Pinstripe? Is there a difference in how they effect the tone?
I haven't. I've only used a few Evans heads and even though I'm a fan of their quality, coating durability, etc..., I haven't been a big fan of their tone. But yeah, I can change my mind on that at any second! LOL
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I would use a pintripe or Ec2 .....
There's really no substitute for just trying different heads. I've been putting heads on drums, and tuning ..... since about 1966. So I pretty much know what I like. But the path to finding what heads you like ..... ya just gotta try 'em.
For me, the Pinstripe is the main head (batter) that I used on my Vistalites. But, I'll throw CS heads, or Powerstroke3 heads on 'em, also. With the 3 ply's, I'm more into the Coated Emperor and /or Coated Powerstroke3. The Pinstripe is just a bit too muffled. But that's me. You might love it.
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I like your playing and the bands as well; The Ludwigs, once you get them up and running the way like them will suit you to a T. Emperor coated and tuned up higher than you would expect is often suggested.
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Old 03-02-2013, 05:49 AM
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I like your playing and the bands as well; The Ludwigs, once you get them up and running the way like them will suit you to a T. Emperor coated and tuned up higher than you would expect is often suggested.
Thanks Bruce,

And I have and they sound great!

I'm using coated emperors on top and coated ambassadors on bottom.
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Old 03-02-2013, 01:37 PM
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My teacher has 6 kits that are all Luddies (new, acrylics, vintage) and all have EC2's on them and the tone he gets is incredible. Deep, warm, very resonant but even sounding (no boingyness) and no added dampening of any sort. THink he uses clear ambs for resos and tunes them higher than batters. Low, rock tuning for batters.
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Old 03-05-2013, 08:34 PM
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I've just brought a Ludwig 1960's White marine kit
22x14
13x9
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I'm really excited to get this kit... does anyone have this kit and tell me which heads work amazing with it... Do the remo vintage skins play well with vintage kits? Makes sense that they do but you never know haha.

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Old 03-06-2013, 08:58 PM
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Thanks Bruce,

And I have and they sound great!

I'm using coated emperors on top and coated ambassadors on bottom.
Excellent. Post pics; I love the look of the old Ludwigs. My second set were Ludwig in Pink Champagne and they were my first quality set. If I knew then...... suffice to say I would not have let them go.
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