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Old 11-01-2010, 06:30 PM
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So I was playing a gig this last friday night, and I had to leave my drums and cymbals up on the stage for a while before we could do the teardown. I averted my gaze from my stuff for about 2 seconds, and when I turned around, I imagine I must have gaped in horror. This huge 300 pound dude had walked up to my gear, picked up my sticks, and proceeded to mash on my cymbals with gusto.

He made Travis Barker look like a little tapper, this guy literally took both hands above his head and smashed down on my cymbals with BOTH hands at the same time, using as much force as possible. The cymbals flexed so far, they went all the way to vertical, nearly touching the cymbal stands themselves. I had brought some of my more expensive cymbals too, AAX, K custom, etc. I also had my one-of-a-kind pair of Paiste Prototype hats on there as well. Miraculously, nothing broke by the time I got to him. But man, that scared me very badly. Anyone else have stories like this? I'm sure you do, haha.
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:33 PM
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Always bring a tazer to the gig, I say. If someone dropped or broke my stuff, I would go monkey on their asses!
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Old 11-01-2010, 06:43 PM
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UNacceptable. I would have been all over this guy after the first note. No friggin' way!
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Wow...I woulda gone all Chuck Norris on his @$$! Sure he's twice my size, but that's a fight worth peckin in my opinion. That one cymbal brand new costs more than his wordrobe and all his drinks that night.

It does happen though...the curious people will lerk towards, of all things, the drums. It's instant noise, so drunk dumbshits see it as a joke and "funny." To try and prevent such encounters (and it doesn't always work) I keep my sticks in my case and carry that with me at all times. I also close my hats and tighten the wing-nut, switch off the snares, and slide my throne all the way up over/on the pedals boards. If my kits going to be unattended for a long duration I toss a blanket over the whole thing.

Sorry you had such a scare, though. Did "Sir Drinks A Lot" break anything?
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:02 PM
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Agree with Zambizzi's & Thaard's physical solution. The guy should be ashamed of himself. Was he actually a drummer? What a moron!

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Old 11-01-2010, 07:03 PM
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not in recent years, I watch my gear like a hawk. when I was 14 I had something similar to this happen, except some prick cracked my AA medium crash (it was my pride and joy, all my other stuff was paiste 101). make sure you take away the sticks next time, and give anyone who does this sort of shit a good punch in the face.

I actually used to weigh close to 300 pounds, I wouldn't be scared of people that size, most of them are slow and run out of breath easily.
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:34 PM
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Good ideas to take the sticks with you and "close up shop" so to speak if you can't load up immediately. I had my stick bag stolen last December at a gig at a hole in the wall. Now I watch my stuff like a hawk too or leave someone to watch the gear.

I had similar experiences when I was younger with a$$holes trying to play my drums without permission. One even stepped on my a Zildjian hats while I was loading up and turned the cymbal inside out on one side. I was in my early teens and just lucky to have a set, much less cases for them. I was able to fix it fine, but the prick never even apologized.

As far as drunks, I was at a private party this weekend. Four bands were scheduled to play. The host had free beer, etc. Pretty much everything was fine until the last band started playing at midnight. Once the southern rock started, those drunks out in the audience thought they could sing and got onstage and turned it into Karaoke. The band was cool and let them make asses of themselves, but after a while it got annoying. That's when a member of another band who is about 6'5" started "politely" thanking these drunks for their contrubution and escorting them off the stage. Considering how loaded people were, I thougth this guy handled it pretty good; no fights, no shouting, no shoving, no hard feelings, etc. After one set was over, the lead singer thanked everyone for their "voice" and announced that after a short break, the band would be back to continue "their" show.

Haha. It was fun to watch.
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Old 11-01-2010, 07:46 PM
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this wasn't from a gig but I had my kit set-up at an office I had w/ some friends and one monday morning I found my drums in a real mess. Turns out one of the guys was having some beers w/friends and one idiot went to town on my kit.
The toms were all pushed down and resting against the cymbal stands, the HH rod was bent (I really hate that), skins had dents and everything in general was messed with! It looked like someone fell on them from the drummers side.
I was kinda pissed (ok really pissed) but at that point what could I do? They were drunk (no excuse) and they probably didn't remember or realize what was happening. I know the guy who was behind the kit - complete moron - so there was no point getting into w/him F**kin' idiot - I just thanked him for not puking on my drums. The response was what you'd expect - "uhh, what?"
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:21 PM
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Bad story Luke... some of these morons need a damn good slap. I would go APESH*T in those circumstances.


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...one idiot went to town on my kit.

...at that point what could I do? ...I know the guy who was behind the kit - complete moron - so there was no point getting into w/him F**kin' idiot...
I'd have waited a few weeks then gone 'to town' on his car/bike/apartment (delete as applicable) with a sledgehammer... If caught..."Oops sorry I was drunk and didn't know what I was doing" or alternatively if he works in your building just 'accidentally' pushed him down the stairs!
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:27 PM
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Its amazing, but there was no damage to anything, except a couple dents on the tom heads. To be honest, I'm a tiny bit glad in a way, because now I have a MUCH higher level of confidence in the durability of my cymbals. I could have sworn that they would all have bell cracks, but they were all fine! Even my splash!

Let me clarify a little, because I usually do always take the sticks off the set. This was a church gig, and I had to switch out with another drummer for a couple songs. This other drummer was a girl, and she knew what she was doing enough that I trusted her to play my stuff. She didn't hit too hard, and was just generally being careful. However, this big dude was on stage playing some hand percussion, and he sorta went over to the drum set and butted in on her. I don't think she knew how to handle it, and he's a pretty intimidating looking guy. All in all, it was sort of a weird situation... haha

I immediately ran up to the side of the stage and started yelling at him to not hit so hard, and thank God he did. As soon as they finished their song I started tearing down, lol.
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:28 PM
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And as an additional side note, this guy was not drunk... LOL
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Its amazing, but there was no damage to anything, except a couple dents on the tom heads. To be honest, I'm a tiny bit glad in a way, because now I have a MUCH higher level of confidence in the durability of my cymbals. I could have sworn that they would all have bell cracks, but they were all fine! Even my splash!
The damage will surface much later as there are now micro-fractures in the metals....You'll be playing along and then you'll see a small crack appear. You will be bummed and think it was your fault. Maybe. ;)
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:35 PM
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Chromium, the guy is a 45 yr old hippie - he doesn't own much more than the clothes on his back and his apartment (which is next to free for him) is never locked and is full of other peoples stuff. I think life is taking it out on him - what goes around comes around...
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Old 11-01-2010, 08:52 PM
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What is it with church gigs? So many of the horror stories I read here on DW happen at church gigs. This sort of stuff doesn't happen in the worst drunken slaughterhouses I've played in, why is it supposedly acceptable in church? Do people not just sit and listen anymore?

I knew there was a reason why I don't go.....the preservation of my kit far outweighs the preservation of my soul. :-)
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:02 PM
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The damage will surface much later as there are now micro-fractures in the metals....You'll be playing along and then you'll see a small crack appear. You will be bummed and think it was your fault. Maybe. ;)
That's just it right there. I don't mind sharing my kit at all. I don't change my heads very often and it's doubtful that most drummers are going to be hitting much harder than me anyway. But cymbals are a different story. I really don't like sharing those at all. Almost without exception (unless I know that the drummer is a really light hitter). Because even if there's no apparent damage just after the fact, there's no telling what might be going on with little micro-cracks that'll rear their ugly little heads later. I'd rather be sure that when I break a cymbal, that it was actually me that broke it.

I was in a band once where the bass player was also a drummer and would occasionally use my kit for jamming with his other friends. That was cool by me, but one day I showed up to practice and one of my crashes was cracked. The bass player fessed up to it and replaced it without any argument, but it did leave me wondering later if perhaps he was simply unlucky enough to be the guy to crack it after I had weakened it on some micro level.

I would have split the cost with him but he just happened to have that exact cymbal at home in his cymbal arsenal (17" A Medium Crash) so we just swapped. That seemed fair because I don't think I could have rightly expected him to replace it with a new one at full cost.

So now, just to keep things simple and everyone honest, I don't share cymbals.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:19 PM
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What is it with church gigs? So many of the horror stories I read here on DW happen at church gigs. This sort of stuff doesn't happen in the worst drunken slaughterhouses I've played in, why is it supposedly acceptable in church? Do people not just sit and listen anymore?

Once again, I"m not looking to knock religion, but you are correct Pocket. Some of the worst experiences I've had playing drums have been at chruch gigs and I'm at a loss to understand why that is. Either some idiot completely tries to knock my drums into the next county, or egos start flying, or poorly educated worship leaders, lously sound techs, etc. A few I can understand, like leaders who are really trying but not really there yet, or sound techs who genuinely try. A few like idiots or egos I can't understand nor will I accept.

That's why unless I know someone who really needs a favor as a sub, or has a special program going on and needs a hand, I usually now always pass on church gigs, paid or otherwise.
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Old 11-01-2010, 09:20 PM
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OK Big Foot, I understand, and now I know more I would be far more lenient on him... As he's a hippy (or perhaps because he's a hippy) I'd only push him down the stairs now! (check out the 'Free Love' Dude!) :D It ain't my fault he's in a bad place and it don't give him any excuse to trash my stuff.

I still think some people need to have some respect for others property otherwise it's just vandalism. Even though my own kit (which I share with my son) is an extremely cheap cobbled-together-worthless-piece-of-cr*p kit with really sh*tty beginner cymbals (I'm really only a beginner and pretty broke atm) which in total cost me less than 400, it's still mine and I've worked long and hard and scrimped together the money to pay for it. I would be very upset if anyone started bashing on it without asking first. That's just really rude...
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Old 11-01-2010, 10:21 PM
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So now, just to keep things simple and everyone honest, I don't share cymbals.
100% agree. I never share my cymbals. I wouldn't share them with anyone, even ginger baker or mitch mitchell (ok maybe mitch could have a little play). But the sentiment remains, there is no piece of my drum kit that is more valuable than my cymbals.
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What is it with church gigs? So many of the horror stories I read here on DW happen at church gigs. This sort of stuff doesn't happen in the worst drunken slaughterhouses I've played in, why is it supposedly acceptable in church? Do people not just sit and listen anymore?

I knew there was a reason why I don't go.....the preservation of my kit far outweighs the preservation of my soul. :-)
I just did one Sunday and it was the most laid back place I've played, yet. I'm not even a churchgoer and I had a good time. No one tried to Hulk-out on my cymbals either, thankfully. The house kit is so ugly it naturally deters predators.
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The damage will surface much later as there are now micro-fractures in the metals....You'll be playing along and then you'll see a small crack appear. You will be bummed and think it was your fault. Maybe. ;)
I'm hoping that doesn't happen. My hats and ride should be fine, I'm just worried about my splash, haha.

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What is it with church gigs? So many of the horror stories I read here on DW happen at church gigs. This sort of stuff doesn't happen in the worst drunken slaughterhouses I've played in, why is it supposedly acceptable in church? Do people not just sit and listen anymore?

I knew there was a reason why I don't go.....the preservation of my kit far outweighs the preservation of my soul. :-)
I know what you're saying... some of my best gigging experiences have been in churches though, it depends on the church. There can be people with no respect anywhere you go I guess :P
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Yup, for casual drunken Idiots, taking your sticks and even bd beaters with you should do the trick.
They might start beating them with their hands, but soon enough they will feel the pain and stop.
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I can usually pack away the sticks and pies while the guitar players are putting their axes in their cases. Then I have to wait for the rest of the front line to clear out so I might help things along. But the kit is bare toms and stands by that time.
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It's rare that I ever have to share anything, but in the days when I did. My snare, cymbals and Kick pedal were never shared. I couldn't care less what other drummers would think of me for not letting them borrow them. My Elizabeths paid for them not theirs.
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Old 11-02-2010, 11:17 AM
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On topic, I guess the worst thing I've had happen, is a few drunk ladies where invited onstage to sing backing vocals for a cover. Although upon taking the mic, one of them decided to scream for as long and as loudly as she could.
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That's sounded pretty horrid, Luke ... and Neil ... whoa! lol

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I can usually pack away the sticks and pies while the guitar players are putting their axes in their cases. Then I have to wait for the rest of the front line to clear out so I might help things along. But the kit is bare toms and stands by that time.
I like your strategy, although - depending on whether you're on stage or ground level - it could mean you have to carry the cymbal bag around with you so there isn't a nice, convenient package for someone to stroll away with.
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I've only just recently got some new expensive cymbals and so, in church, I always pack them away and leave the "church" cymbals up. There is only one other drummer at church - who is super light player and a kid, who I would trust with my cymbals.

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Case and point as to why you should have a good kit and a "roadhouse" kit.
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Yeah I've had a couple of similar experiences.

One was at a gig where I had played 2 sets that day and it was my kit, I chose not to use my M Birch for that show since other bands would be using it so I took my old CB down.

After I had finished playing, a drunken tit proceeded to sit down, pick up the sticks and bash away on them. Well I couldn't really do anything cause this guy is a nutter, so me and a mate proceeded to dismantle the kit and take it away piece by piece from him so he had nothing to hit. It was quite funny in a way as he was left sitting on the throne looking disappointed.

As for breakables I had a gig where I had to lend another drummer's cymbal stands otherwise I wouldn't have been able to play and he asked if he could borrow my brand new Z custom 18' medium crash. I was reluctant but I like to return favours for drummers who are nice enough to lend their gear out. I just told him to be careful using it and he said he would replace it if he broke it and he seemed a genuine guy. Well this guy was a heavy hitter and I didn't know, he placed my crash on the right where he crashed it more that his own cymbal by a country mile, playing long streams of quarter notes on it not exactly going easy. So after a few songs I stepped up and I said mate would you mind swapping your cymbals around and he took it fine but I'm pleased I said something at the end of the day cause it could have easily broke I reckon.

I did have an unfortunate incident where I had my kit the CB again with its stock bass drum head on it. The guy in the first band wasn't really a heavy hitter and he put his foot through the bass drum skin, he was very apologetic and I let him off with it cause I was on next it would have most certainly happened to me if not him so I gave him the benefit of the doubt, I managed to tape the thing back together and us plus a heavy hitting death metal drummer managed to get our sets done.

I always specify to other drummers to bring their own stool, cymbals, snare and pedals but when they don't turn up with one or the other and ask, I feel I'm too soft to say no, it really boils my p*** but if I say no, the band can't play so does this seem unreasonable or am I well within my right to stop a band from playing because they haven't brought one piece of equipment that I have specified?
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Absolutely! Thats one of the things I'm working on right now, I just don't have the money to get to sets up and running yet!
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I want to invent a pair of electrified drumsticks where when you hit a cymbal, you close a circuit and the guy gets shocked. Leave them up there. Or put a bear trap near the footpedal.

Or possibly a drumhead with a saying printed on it, nice and big...

Any unauthorized use of the drumkit subjects the violater to being beaten to a bloody pulp by the owner.

To thwart car theft, I always wanted to put a beartrap near the gas pedal, chained to the frame of the car. Anyone trying to steal your car would be trapped there, so justice could be dispensed immediately, pain would be endured for his transgression, and the perp would be caught red handed.

I think anyone who steals from another, forfeits any of their own rights the second they violate yours, and things like beartraps near gas pedals should be allowed.
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I want to invent a pair of electrified drumsticks where when you hit a cymbal, you close a circuit and the guy gets shocked. Leave them up there. Or put a bear trap near the footpedal.

Or possibly a drumhead with a saying printed on it, nice and big...

Any unauthorized use of the drumkit subjects the violater to being beaten to a bloody pulp by the owner.

To thwart car theft, I always wanted to put a beartrap near the gas pedal, chained to the frame of the car. Anyone trying to steal your car would be trapped there, so justice could be dispensed immediately, pain would be endured for his transgression, and the perp would be caught red handed.

I think anyone who steals from another, forfeits any of their own rights the second they violate yours, and things like beartraps near gas pedals should be allowed.
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It's rare that I ever have to share anything, but in the days when I did. My snare, cymbals and Kick pedal were never shared. I couldn't care less what other drummers would think of me for not letting them borrow them. My Elizabeths paid for them not theirs.
"your elizabeths", will have to use that term from now on haha. yeah I don't really share snares anymore, but I had no problem with it in the past. I had a steel black panther that I would use for gigs, if anyone broke a head they would pay for it, but I always had a spare with me just incase. Forgot about my kick pedals, yeah I definitely wouldn't be sharing those beauties either.
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Old 11-03-2010, 12:44 AM
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I once played drums at an IFES conference in the Netherlands, so that's about 5 days of at least 3 hours of drumming per day (which is awesome). One time, when I was having lunch, I suddenly heard someone beating my bassdrum, so I got up angrily and ran over there. But it turned out to be one of the sound techs wanting to correct the sound. Fine with me.

Eventually, unless you get a Travis Barker wannabe (or travis himself for that matter, but that's less likely) your drums will probably be fine. But out of respect you shouldn't just sit down behind a random drum kit and start bashing.

During that same conference, during the thank-yous for all volunteers and staff, two guys apparently had some kind of bet running. Either way, they just jumped each other in a violent manner (although it was a friendly brawl) in the middle of the stage, with my kit, and some other quite expensive instruments (among others a Taylor acoustic guitar) nearby. Idiots. We were lucky nothing broke and they quit before any damage happened.
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Old 11-05-2010, 03:40 AM
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I like your strategy, although - depending on whether you're on stage or ground level - it could mean you have to carry the cymbal bag around with you so there isn't a nice, convenient package for someone to stroll away with.
I just put them against the wall behind the kit. Most drunks don't know what a stick bag is. And if I'm packing up PA (more often than not) out front, it will take someone awhile to wander behind the kit, find the sticks and get them out and start playing InnaGadadaVida. Long before that happens, I've spotted them and chased them out of there.

As much as possible, on low or floor level "stages" you want a buffer zone around you and your stuff. PA wedges are wonderful. Set them so that when (not it) a drunk trips over them, there is enough room for them to land before knocking over your cymbal stands. During breaks, guitars also go behind the drum kit unless there are some other protected corners to hide them in. So the first line of defense is the PA, then the guitarists' pedal boards, then the backline (amps and kit) and the important stuff is all behind that. Breakdown is from the middle out, so that the front buffer is one of the last things to go. Take down the electronics, wrap up all the cables, move out the mains, and then pull the wedges.
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I would have said: "Get off my drums now...or I will hit you like you hit my drums"....then smile at him!
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Its amazing, but there was no damage to anything, except a couple dents on the tom heads. To be honest, I'm a tiny bit glad in a way, because now I have a MUCH higher level of confidence in the durability of my cymbals. I could have sworn that they would all have bell cracks, but they were all fine! Even my splash!

Let me clarify a little, because I usually do always take the sticks off the set. This was a church gig, and I had to switch out with another drummer for a couple songs. This other drummer was a girl, and she knew what she was doing enough that I trusted her to play my stuff. She didn't hit too hard, and was just generally being careful. However, this big dude was on stage playing some hand percussion, and he sorta went over to the drum set and butted in on her. I don't think she knew how to handle it, and he's a pretty intimidating looking guy. All in all, it was sort of a weird situation... haha

I immediately ran up to the side of the stage and started yelling at him to not hit so hard, and thank God he did. As soon as they finished their song I started tearing down, lol.
This annoys me. I have been playing in various church settings for 12 years now, and whenever there's some sort of 'band line-up' thing, it's often 'expected' that you will let others use your stuff because its a church, and be kind and share, ect. At least, thats in my experience.

I've had enough guys stomp over and bash my kit without care, and then walk away. Some of them even rock up with nothing, not even sticks, and then I get all these eyes expecting me to say 'here, use all my stuff'. Now I just say no. People might think I'm selfish, but at least I don't have to buy new sticks and heads because somebody else bashed them up.
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How much is 300 LB in Stones or Kilo's ?
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How much is 300 LB in Stones or Kilo's ?
Here's the answer to your question ;) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=300+pounds+to+stones

Haha, 300 pounds is roughly 21 stone ;)
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Should have just taken off the cymbals because he was playing them wrong.
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Should have just taken off the cymbals because he was playing them wrong.
Yeah, but I honestly didn't have time. Like I said, the other drummer that was supposed to play on them was fine, but this guy kinda shoved her out of the way and started hitting them :P Oh well, there's no harm done, at least that I can tell as of right now.
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