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Old 08-13-2015, 02:32 PM
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Default Zoom Q8 or Sony HDR MV1?

Does anybody have experience with both, or at least one of them :)?

I've been using my trusty old Q3 (without HD) for years and years, mostly for
quick audio recordings of my rehearsals and gigs, and I've loved it. The video
is rather bad, I've used it for some youtube clips but not much.

So I'd like to upgrade to better video quality, and I think I could love the
fact you can record with the built-in mics PLUS two separate XLRs simultaneously
with the Zoom Q8.

The video quality with the Sony HDR MV1 seems to be better though, and when
I understand it correctly, it's not that wide-angled, or at least not fish eye as
with the Q8.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Old 08-13-2015, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: Zoom Q8 or Sony HDR MV1?

For footage and an assessment of the Q8, keep an eye on Andy's thread here:

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...d.php?t=126599
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Old 08-13-2015, 08:32 PM
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Thanks! I've seen the thread, but I missed the fact that Andy featured a Q8 there.
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:08 PM
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Default Re: Zoom Q8 or Sony HDR MV1?

Here's a little recording with my Q8. I haven't had it for very long and I'm still playing around with it. Just used the stock X/Y mic setup. Recorded in 720/30 video and WAV 44.1/16 setting.

I've tried some higher quality audio settings but my computer can't handle it.

I do not own any external microphones but I'm currently shopping for two (snare & bass drum).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlkS...yer_detailpage
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Old 08-13-2015, 11:25 PM
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Default Re: Zoom Q8 or Sony HDR MV1?

This movie of yours doesn't seem to have a wide angle at all, is that because you set the Q8 up very close to the drum set? Or can you vary the degree of the angle?

Also, I've read that the batteries don't work for too long, and record mode doesn't support usb power. Do you know if an AC adapter works while recording?

I've always used my Q3 with a mains power adapter because of battery life.
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Old 08-14-2015, 12:29 AM
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This movie of yours doesn't seem to have a wide angle at all, is that because you set the Q8 up very close to the drum set? Or can you vary the degree of the angle?

Also, I've read that the batteries don't work for too long, and record mode doesn't support usb power. Do you know if an AC adapter works while recording?

I've always used my Q3 with a mains power adapter because of battery life.
I only have it set on 720 to save memory. 1080 and above do have a much wider angle.

I have not tried to record with the AC adapter. But I will and I'll get back to you shortly.

The batteries last a couple of hours on a full charge. I ordered a spare one for $25.00
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Old 08-14-2015, 01:36 AM
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I tried it with the AC adapter and it works fine. I took the battery out to make sure it was only running by the adapter.

I still need to figure how to get the most out of the video quality though.
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:27 AM
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Thank you :)! That's very helpful!
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Old 08-14-2015, 08:44 AM
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Ilkka,

I bought a Q8 last week, specifically for the features you mention in your OP. Like you, I've used a Q3 (both standard & HD versions) for the last few years. Image / light limitations aside, they're great devices providing consistent audio results, & way better audio than anything comparable out there.

I hooked up both the new Q8 & old Q3HD at the small festival. I positioned the Q3 close to the stage, & the Q8 at the sound desk (approx 30 Metres (100ft)) from the stage. In hindsight, that was mistake number one, & here's why (this gets a bit detailed - sorry).
The Q8 lens is incredibly wide angle on 1080p & above, so setting it so far back from the stage captured all of the room, but an almost useless distant view of the stage. I ran a stereo feed from the desk to the camera. That's easy to do, & the on camera audio mix feature is excellent, but I was getting severe latency issues due to distance from the primary sound source (FOH). This meant that the on board mic audio lagged behind the desk audio. You can set the camera to record all audio files individually & separate from the visuals. This is a great feature if you have the video editing software & audio processing to deal with that effectively. As I'm editing in iMovie, & want to edit visuals & audio as the same file (I recorded 18 bands over the weekend, & don't have the time for complex editing). Using the separate audio track feature would have fixed that latency issue allowing audio re-alignment later. Because I was too busy with other stuff, I dropped the desk feed.

Visually, by comparison, the Q3 didn't capture all the stage. Had I planned on not using the desk feed feature, I should have used the advantage of the Q8's wide angle to capture the near stage view, & used the Q3 in the desk position. Ah well :(

Ok, so I quickly discovered the Q8's limitations. It suffers from the same poor low light performance as the Q3HD, although it is slightly better, but not as good as other cameras. The audio is exceptional though, & the video is excellent quality in anything other than low light & distance views. As a camera to record a live performance in an average room, or a studio / rehearsal space view, it's superb - especially if you use the line in feeds in conjunction with the camera mic's. The wide angle gets around the usual close camera to stage position issue too, so that's a good thing most of the time. I used it in the wrong application - mainly through ignorance. Lesson learnt. For most applications, it's a superb piece of kit. & I'll be running some recordings with it over the next few months.

I'm just uploading a compilation video that I'll post here for reference shortly. It shows you the worst of the Q8, not the best. I fixed the super wide angle distance view issue by cropping & zooming the image in iMovie. That kills the quality over such a big distance. For now, here's the first video I shot with both cameras. I think it highlights the issues quite well. Essentially, I'm using the Q8 for something it was never designed to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o8f...ature=youtu.be

BTW, Upload quality of this video is only 720P.

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Thanks for your detailed post, Andy, very much appreciated! That helps a lot!
I suppose given the very small lenses, the Zoom products can't really be able
to make good video recordings in poorly lit situations...
I wonder what experiences people have with the Sony cam in this regard. I
think concerning audio the Zooms are unbeatable though (except for the
Tascams I guess).

I don't think you used the Q8 in the wrong way though - although it's clear
that it's not made for wide distance filming, the possibility of combining the
internal mics with the XLRs it should actually seem to be natural to use it
that way, shouldn't it?

And as a side note: You confusing Ilkka with myself is nothing less than a compliment
to me!! :)
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By the way: Great drum sound, and great performance!
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Thanks for your detailed post, Andy, very much appreciated! That helps a lot!
I suppose given the very small lenses, the Zoom products can't really be able
to make good video recordings in poorly lit situations...
The Q8 lens is much larger than the Q3.

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I don't think you used the Q8 in the wrong way though - although it's clear
that it's not made for wide distance filming, the possibility of combining the
internal mics with the XLRs it should actually seem to be natural to use it
that way, shouldn't it?
Yes, but over that distance, it's simply fitted with the wrong lens.

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Sorry, total early morning brain fart :(

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By the way: Great drum sound, and great performance!
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Old 08-14-2015, 10:59 AM
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Just finished upload now. Here's another video - select HD720 & use good headphones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PShVqIQ2BPE

I have it in 1080P, but the upload time is painful :(
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Just finished upload now. Here's another video - select HD720 & use good headphones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PShVqIQ2BPE

I have it in 1080P, but the upload time is painful :(
Drums sound great Andy. I was able to hear the toms a bit more during the Cutting Crew tune and they sound splendid as well, a great fit for the genre. What snare drum were you using?

Thanks for the review on the Q8. Do you know if the onboard mic capsule can be switched our for the capsule that gives you two additional xlr/line inputs?
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Drums sound great Andy. I was able to hear the toms a bit more during the Cutting Crew tune and they sound splendid as well, a great fit for the genre. What snare drum were you using?

Thanks for the review on the Q8. Do you know if the onboard mic capsule can be switched our for the capsule that gives you two additional xlr/line inputs?
Thank you - posted in the "your playing" section for comment :)

Snare is an In-Tense ash 13" x 7".

I don't think you can release the mic capsule to facilitate two further line inputs, but you can change mic capsule according to requirements.
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Old 08-23-2015, 03:59 AM
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I have been thinking about the ZoomQ8 as well.

I like that the ZoomQ8 would allow me to use 1 to 2 mics. However, I am not sure I want to compromise on the video for the sake of having the mic inputs. The ZoomQ8 costs about [$399].

Just food for thought...

But, I am considering a digital camcorder (for ex. Canon Vixia HF R600 [$269]) to use in combination with an XLR mic adapter (for ex. Rolls MX36 Cam-Mix [$149] which is a 2 channel mic mixer with phantom power).

DISCLAIMER-- I have not purchased any items yet.
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Nice idea as well, I'll have to look into that! The Q8 would be a lot more
comfortable for traveling to gigs with me I think, as it is very compact...!
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