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Old 12-10-2011, 04:03 PM
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I've noticed many drummers that we refer to as icons of the drumming world used concert toms. Lots of old pictures show drum kits with concert toms. What are the advantages versus the disadvantages of using concert toms? Why did all these drummers back in the day use concert toms? I had concert toms on my Slingerland set and I loved the sound of that set. I did use a resonant head on the 24" Bass Drum though with no sound hole. The current Franken-Pearl I'm building will have concert toms too, and the 22" bass drum will also have a resonant head. I'm just trying to decide if I should put resonant heads on it too.

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Old 12-10-2011, 04:07 PM
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I think it was sound limitation, those drums sounded louder and back then audio and mics weren't as powerful as they are now.
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Old 12-10-2011, 04:12 PM
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That's what I thought too, but all these recent posts are conflicting with that idea. What I'm reading here is that the resonant heads help the drums project further and the concert toms are dead sounding and don't project into the audience.
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It was all the rage back in the late 60s and 70s. It was just the way people thought drums should sound at the time. I'm thinking it came about when people started doing more close miking in the studio, and they were going for a deader, more controllable sound. I think it hit its high (or low?) point with the Ringo towels-on-the drums thing.

That's my 2 cents. I'm sure a lot of other old guys like me will have other thoughts about it.

Great pic of Densmore, btw!
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Old 12-10-2011, 07:28 PM
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That's what I thought too, but all these recent posts are conflicting with that idea. What I'm reading here is that the resonant heads help the drums project further and the concert toms are dead sounding and don't project into the audience.
In an unmiked situation, the opposite would be true, simply from an attack perspective. Because they're open on the bottom, concert toms have more attack and sound louder.

Unfortunately because of specific genres and poor miking techniques, concert toms have garnered a bad rep in most drummers & producers eyes & ears. The fact is, concert toms can have plenty of warmth and decay when tuned and miked well. Of course they do possess a certain sound of their own, but it doesn't have to be the dry, bangy, or muffled sound we used to associate with them in the '70s.

I'm a big fan of them for a few reaons, probably the most important being their ease of tuning and the ability to get a full, punchy, tight sound.

Time to trot out a couple of my kits:





I also have a set of walnut cortex concert toms being detailed, and another brand new set on the way in the next month or two. Will definitely post pics of that!

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Old 12-10-2011, 07:38 PM
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Man, those are some really cool drums kits you got there. Those Slingerlands look great. I like those Staccato sets too ( a bass player I knew had some). Thanks for the insight. So, once again it really all depends on the heads used and proper tuning. I like the idea of resonating the deeper floor toms and leaving the higher toms wide open.
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It's the sound of the times/styles they were playing in. It was a fad back then, or how some drummers thought that the drums "should" sound. In 30 years, people are going to be wondering why drum sets from the 2000s and 2010s had such deep bass drums and why all of the toms had suspension mounts...
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It's the sound of the times/styles they were playing in. It was a fad back then, or how some drummers thought that the drums "should" sound. In 30 years, people are going to be wondering why drum sets from the 2000s and 2010s had such deep bass drums and why all of the toms had suspension mounts...
Well hopefully I will still be around to show and tell them. :) I will also tell them that 16 pieces was the norm back then. Anything less than that and you were considered a jazz drummer. ;)
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Time to trot out a couple of my kits:
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I like all the kits, Jon, but that Vistalite is freakin' cool! Guess the combination of concert tom and acrylic makes those particularly loud.

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Anything less than that and you were considered a jazz drummer. ;)

Or Blues/Roots ... :) ;)
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Old 12-10-2011, 10:49 PM
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I used to have a kit with concert toms in late 70's early 80's, when miked up it sounded beautiful...

Here's a couple of pics of this kit.
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Have been listening to this 1978 concert by Hall and Oates lately on Wolfgang's Vault, when they had a few of Elton John's 1975-76 era band members (Caleb Quaye, Roger Pope, and Kenny Passarelli) with them. No doubt Roger's playing nothing but concert toms... Yet they seem to be miked great and it sounds great to my ears. Don't know about anybody else's though...

The concert, for your (concert tom) listening pleasure... you may have to register, but it's free.
http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/hall-a...r-31-1978.html

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Old 12-10-2011, 11:42 PM
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Awesome collection of concert tom kits! The Slingerland kit reminds me of the marching tenors I played in the 80s.



This is a stock photo of the kit I had in my garage in the 80s...that all the neighbors knew about.

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Old 12-10-2011, 11:55 PM
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Floyd Sneed played a very similar set during the Three Dog Night reunion tour in 1981, only his were COW.

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He always had concert toms, and he made an iconic drum fill with them... Mr Phil Collins.
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Old 12-11-2011, 06:24 AM
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Brings back memories to see Burmuda's Ludwig Octaplus kit. In the 1970's, I had a similar kit in white but with 6 toms and double bass. Thanks for posting.

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Old 12-11-2011, 10:08 PM
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He always had concert toms, and he made an iconic drum fill with them... Mr Phil Collins.
Yes, I love Phil Collins! This picture still gets me pumped. His concert toms always sounded great with plenty of bite. 8,10,12,15,16,18
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I used to have a kit with concert toms in late 70's early 80's, when miked up it sounded beautiful...

Here's a couple of pics of this kit.
I still have a big ol' octa plus Imperialstar in Midnight Blue... 6-16, 2-24's and an 18 floor...
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Old 12-13-2011, 04:52 PM
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I used to have a kit with concert toms in late 70's early 80's, when miked up it sounded beautiful...

Here's a couple of pics of this kit.
Great pictures! Love the monitor too. They looked good, but sounded like farting in a bean can (the drum monitors).
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Old 12-13-2011, 06:46 PM
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Carmine Appice,Carl Palmer,Jim Gordon,John(Hawaii50) Gueren, are just a few more guys who played concert toms.I think the guy who may have started it all was Hal Blaine,first by using timbales as toms,and then his huge Blaimire/Ludwig kit.

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Old 12-13-2011, 11:00 PM
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I think the guy who may have started it all was Hal Blaine,first by using timbales as toms
That explains what was happening in The Flintstones theme song. I never knew what he was doing there.
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I don't think Hal did the Flintstones, probably Shelly Manne or Frank DeVito.

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I thought the flintstones thing was a roll on bongos with sticks.
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Just checked. It was Earl Palmer - oops. Not sure what drums he used in the fill Fred's shouting "Wilmaaa! Open the door!" but they sound amazing. Yeah, bongos sounds possible, Ben ... they're single-headed drums too so it's almost relevant :)

For the record, I like concert toms. Not the same sound as two headed toms, but still good.
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Great pictures! Love the monitor too. They looked good, but sounded like farting in a bean can (the drum monitors).
Thanks Andy :) The monitors belonged to the PA people of that gig, at that time I owned a small monitor on a stand just behind me when we played with our own PA, but for my life I cannot remember which make it was... getting old :-)

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I still have a big ol' octa plus Imperialstar in Midnight Blue... 6-16, 2-24's and an 18 floor...
Yes! my first "good" Tama kit in Midnight Blue...

I wish I was like you, and still have it, like all the kits I owned, but I had to either trade them in or sale them to buy the newer kit.

Yours had 2x24" kicks hey? ...well, shortly after these pictures, I added a second 24 " bass drum :-))

Not a good picture, but you can see the second bass drum (just about)
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I had a 10 piece Rogers set with concert toms - their great advantage - you could pack them inside of each other, took up a lot less space, much quicker tuning and you got the Phil Collins sound!
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I'm still interested in learning more about concert toms vs. standard and I came upon this page that does some explaining on the topic if you are also still interested....

http://www.canopusdrums.com/en/drump...tom/index.html
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