DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM   

Go Back   DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM > General Discussion

General Discussion General discussion forum for all drum related topics. Use this forum to exchange ideas and information with your fellow drummers.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 11-03-2011, 07:19 PM
Mr. Brownstone's Avatar
Mr. Brownstone Mr. Brownstone is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 122
Default Would you buy...

...a high end pro kit for almost half the price ($2500 vs $4000) if you were ok, but not crazy about the wrap/finish?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-03-2011, 07:29 PM
Mad About Drums's Avatar
Mad About Drums Mad About Drums is offline
Pollyanna's Agent
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Shropshire, UK
Posts: 6,227
Default Re: Would you buy...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Brownstone View Post
...a high end pro kit for almost half the price ($2500 vs $4000) if you were ok, but not crazy about the wrap/finish?
Depends on condition of the kit and how old it is...

I could live with a finish that is not my fav colour, so if the kit is OK and not 30 years old, I would consider...
__________________
I'm Swissman
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-03-2011, 07:32 PM
Mr. Brownstone's Avatar
Mr. Brownstone Mr. Brownstone is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 122
Default Re: Would you buy...

Sorry I shoud have stated the kit is brand new, never left the store.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-03-2011, 08:06 PM
Bo Eder's Avatar
Bo Eder Bo Eder is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 13,844
Default Re: Would you buy...

Depends. If you can't afford what you want, then compromise is always good. But for me, the instrument has to be inspiring to play too, or else there's always something in the back of your mind that tells you that you really don't like them. I think we all tend to compromise on the drums we like to play, even with the set I have now, there are some things I can live with, but the color is a big thing because it's the biggest thing you see.

I don't know about anybody else, but Sonor's high-end drums have some of the ugliest finishes I've ever seen, so I'm not sure I'd get one of those if it were half-off. But if it were one of the classic wrap finishes, I might consider it if it was a Ludwig or a Gretsch...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-03-2011, 08:20 PM
DrumEatDrum's Avatar
DrumEatDrum DrumEatDrum is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 9,427
Default Re: Would you buy...

No.

$2,000-$2,500 is a lot to spend on a drum set I wouldn't be totally happy with.

Although it would sort of depend on what the finish is.

I.E. I'm not big on plain black, but it goes with everything, and never goes out of style. I could live with that.

While some of the really wild swirls, or bright colors are going to stand out no matter what, and if it's not your thing, forget it.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-03-2011, 08:27 PM
Doctor Dirt
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Would you buy...

Cosmetics are the last thing I consider when buying a kit. So if a deal comes down with all the pieces I like and a heavy price thats been chopped down alot I could care less what the color is. To safe thousands of dollars it would have to be one hell of a Ugly finish to chase me away!! Post a pic of the finish!!! Doc







..........I just bought a Signia kit in Amythest (its still Purple) not my first or second choice but the color is last on my list.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-03-2011, 08:54 PM
Mr. Brownstone's Avatar
Mr. Brownstone Mr. Brownstone is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 122
Default Re: Would you buy...

There are a few finishes in the store, but the only one I'm considering is this one...funny you mentioning Sonor Bo :)



I'm almost considering getting it and then a few years down the road take the wrap off and have it stained and shellacked.

So confused.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-03-2011, 08:56 PM
TFITTING942
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Would you buy...

I don't care what the discount is or the finish, it would have to be the sound I was looking for first and foremost for me to even think about buying it. To get it just to say you have a high end kit is not a good enough reason to me.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-03-2011, 09:00 PM
Doctor Dirt
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Would you buy...

That kit is 4 grand??? Plus to take off a wrap isn't as easy as you think. If you don't destroy the veneer under the wrap how do you know its a finishing veneer it might be crap because the shell was preped for a wrap. That kit is 4$grand??? Really? Doc


First off are you talking LIST pricings to RETAIL because that kit your showing might be a LIST 4 grand but even 2,500.00 retail sounds WAY to high for what I'm seeing.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-03-2011, 09:03 PM
Mr. Brownstone's Avatar
Mr. Brownstone Mr. Brownstone is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 122
Default Re: Would you buy...

No, it's just to show the finish...there are more drums and hardware than shown here.

FWIW sound is definitley not an issue.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-03-2011, 09:04 PM
Doctor Dirt
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Would you buy...

OK gotcha, that finish is a nice clean look to me. Red is a winner for me. Doc
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-03-2011, 09:18 PM
TFITTING942
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Would you buy...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Brownstone View Post
No, it's just to show the finish...there are more drums and hardware than shown here.

FWIW sound is definitley not an issue.
How is sound not an issue?
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-03-2011, 09:18 PM
Mad About Drums's Avatar
Mad About Drums Mad About Drums is offline
Pollyanna's Agent
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Shropshire, UK
Posts: 6,227
Default Re: Would you buy...

Mmmmh... I like that fisnish.

I say, if you're OK with the sound, go for it, it's a really nice saving
__________________
I'm Swissman
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-03-2011, 09:21 PM
Doctor Dirt
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Would you buy...

I believe he meant he checked out the drums and he likes the sound they produce! Atleast thats the impression I got. Doc
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-03-2011, 09:22 PM
Mr. Brownstone's Avatar
Mr. Brownstone Mr. Brownstone is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 122
Default Re: Would you buy...

Quote:
Originally Posted by TFITTING942 View Post
How is sound not an issue?
They sound freakin' awesome!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-03-2011, 09:29 PM
inneedofgrace's Avatar
inneedofgrace inneedofgrace is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: New Jersey - Exit 5
Posts: 1,448
Default Re: Would you buy...

Is this a kit for recording or touring with? Does it matter?
__________________
"Through many dangers, toils and snares..." - Amazing Grace, third verse
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-03-2011, 09:36 PM
TFITTING942
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Would you buy...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Brownstone View Post
They sound freakin' awesome!
Cool, Im sure they do, my posts were behind and I didnt see the picture or about five posts and then it refreshed and I cought up with the program. Nice kit.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-03-2011, 10:31 PM
JimboJim's Avatar
JimboJim JimboJim is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Fort Worth, TX
Posts: 102
Default Re: Would you buy...

I did.

I got my DWs (2010 Collectors 5 piece) for $2000 brand new. Black Velvet finish; I like it , but it wasn't my first choice. I didn't think I'd get another chance at a DW for that price new, and I wasn't going to wati to see if a better finish came along.

Now if they had been a pea green color, I probably would have passed.

The finish is one aspect of a drumkit, and if you're getting a deal, it's one to cosider being flexible on. my dream DW kit would have a laquer fade or burst finish over an exotic wood, but I doubt I'll ever be able to stomach the 5K+ it would cost.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-03-2011, 11:14 PM
jon e rotten jon e rotten is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: St. Louis (area)
Posts: 312
Default Re: Would you buy...

Yes I would and yes I did. That's how I came by my Sonors.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-03-2011, 11:29 PM
Bo Eder's Avatar
Bo Eder Bo Eder is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 13,844
Default Re: Would you buy...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Brownstone View Post
There are a few finishes in the store, but the only one I'm considering is this one...funny you mentioning Sonor Bo :)



I'm almost considering getting it and then a few years down the road take the wrap off and have it stained and shellacked.

So confused.
That's a Sonor finish I like! I'd get those. But what are those? SQ's? DeLites?

Changing the wrap on a kit is NOT all that difficult. A well-placed heat gun softens the glue and you can easily take it off. Replacing with new pearl isn't so hard either, you just have to know how to do it right.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 11-04-2011, 01:05 AM
konaboy's Avatar
konaboy konaboy is offline
Pioneer Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Midwest, USA
Posts: 3,234
Default Re: Would you buy...

For me if I'm dropping that kind of cash I have to be happy and excited about every aspect of the kit!! Sound, color, hardware etc.
__________________
"how are you living your Dash?"
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11-04-2011, 01:15 AM
bobdadruma's Avatar
bobdadruma bobdadruma is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: second measure of a fill-in
Posts: 11,176
Default Re: Would you buy...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Brownstone View Post
There are a few finishes in the store, but the only one I'm considering is this one...funny you mentioning Sonor Bo :)



I'm almost considering getting it and then a few years down the road take the wrap off and have it stained and shellacked.

So confused.
I love that kit... Is that a Delite?
__________________
I kind of like old drums:)
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-04-2011, 09:14 AM
brentcn brentcn is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,916
Default Re: Would you buy...

If you're already considering refinishing it, then that's your brain telling you to hold off for the kit of your dreams.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-04-2011, 10:46 AM
Skulmoski's Avatar
Skulmoski Skulmoski is offline
Gold Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Abu Dhabi
Posts: 1,438
Default Re: Would you buy...

Nice wrap, great sounding; what's stopping you from pulling the trigger?

Early Christmas gift for yourself!

GJS
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 11-04-2011, 11:09 AM
harryconway's Avatar
harryconway harryconway is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Pasadena, California, U.S.A.
Posts: 9,920
Default Re: Would you buy...

No way, not on a brand new kit. If it's not what I want, pass. I'd rather spend an extra grand on a kit "that makes me totally happy".
__________________
This seat does not recline as per Federal Aviation Regulation 121.310 (f)(3)
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 11-04-2011, 12:54 PM
MattA's Avatar
MattA MattA is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 166
Default Re: Would you buy...

I was in a very similar position a few years ago. Great kit, great deal but not the colour I would have chosen. I went with it anyway and the colour really grew on me. I don't regret buying for a second. I say go for it if you like the kit and the sound.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 11-04-2011, 03:38 PM
paistepower92's Avatar
paistepower92 paistepower92 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 221
Default Re: Would you buy...

I just looked at Sonor's top end finishes, and i hate to break it to you, that is not a wrap, it is a veneer, there is close to no way you will get that off, as it is part of the shell and then lacquered over. If it were me i would wait and get the kit I absolutely want.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 11-04-2011, 04:30 PM
Bertram Bertram is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Viborg, Denmark
Posts: 502
Default Re: Would you buy...

Tbh there are worse colours than that...
It's actually pretty nice to me. Looks good.
The only thing i don't like about Sonor is (well tried some of the low end hardware) but that rubberthings that is supposed to NOT make the vibration from the floor drum go straight into the floor... THEY ARE CRAP.... just to mention....
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 11-04-2011, 04:44 PM
sticks4drums
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Would you buy...

I think it also depends on how long you are going to keep it. A lot of guys go through kits pretty fast. Me, I can't sell anything I buy. It must be some sort of hording thing. :) Plus your tastes might change over time so the kit you think is a perfect color now, might be the one you hate later, and visa-versa. I used to love Black kits when I was younger, but not so much anymore. I never thought I would buy all white, but here I am. :)
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 11-04-2011, 08:09 PM
Mr. Brownstone's Avatar
Mr. Brownstone Mr. Brownstone is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 122
Default Re: Would you buy...

Thanks for all the input. Many good points by all...still undecided :(
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 11-04-2011, 08:14 PM
Dr_Watso's Avatar
Dr_Watso Dr_Watso is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 6,730
Default Re: Would you buy...

I don't see anything wrong with that wrap. Actually, I'd hesitate to spend so much on a wrapped kit. I like my nice kit to have a cool lacquer finish that I can see the wood thru. At any rate though, changing wraps is easy, and if you're getting a screamin deal on something you like except the wrap...
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 11-04-2011, 09:04 PM
brentcn brentcn is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,916
Default Re: Would you buy...

One more thing to consider: the veneer on that kit will last and last, as will a well-done wrap job on a well-kept kit. Lacquer finishes, attractive though they may be, don't age well. The effect of aging can be cool, like an antique coffee table, but mostly, it just makes a kit look run-down. The clear coat loses its luster eventually, the color fades to a lighter shade, and many paints will eventually form cracks and ripples, especially if the kit is near a window. After 10 years, it's just not the same kit.

I only bring this up because, if your dream kit might be a lacquer one, you should expect the finish to change (yes, even if it's kept at home). If you can find a wrap or veneer you absolutely love, then I say save up, because it will ALWAYS look that way (minus the odd battle scar here or there). If not, this kit might be a winner!

I know there must be some sonic character imparted by the wrap or veneer, but for me it's not worth fussing about. Either a drum sings to you or it doesn't, and I have (and have heard) plenty of wrapped drums that do, and plenty of lacquer drums that don't.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT +2. The time now is 09:26 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Bernhard Castiglioni's DRUMMERWORLD.com