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Old 12-02-2006, 04:10 AM
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It was always one inner ply of basswood (TAMA used to call it "basswood interior"), some had the zola-coat (80s) and after y 2000 some were all phil. mahogany.
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Old 12-02-2006, 09:45 AM
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It's been a lot of years since I used the Evans Hydraulic heads and when I did that really flat dead sound was kind of popular. Anyhow here's my thought on what you may be experiencing. If I remember right the Hydraulic head as a layer of some kind of oil between the two plies. That stuff can move around and I'm thinking that as you tune the drum and strike the head the oil is floating around (maybe to the other side) and messing with your ability to get the same pitch from lug to lug. If I remember right I used to tune those as the others have said by getting the resonant head where I wanted it and then just barely getting the wrinkles out of the hydraulic batters. Then for fine tuning I just barely tapped the head with my finger rather than striking it with a stick. You really shouldn't expect to get much tone out of those heads. Hope that helps some.
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Old 12-02-2006, 03:44 PM
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Yea, it helps a lot. Thanks to everyone for all of the help. I'm definitely going to look into some new heads soon, so I can actually get some tone going on my kit :)

I've had these heads for a long time. Back in the day I used to use all triggers for my drums and the dead sound was fine. But, I really don't like it anymore.

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Old 12-04-2006, 03:55 PM
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see...now my definition of resonance wasn't the answer you were looking for but yet you say you "have to wail the beejezus out of them to make them really sound like I want".

too loose of tuning does have a lot to do with it because you're fighting to bring out the tone of the drum instead of letting the head and the shell do the work for you.

i hope you understand my point a little better now.
LOL, just playing around. I'm an RF engineer, so I got a kick out of that.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm a 40 yo drummer that understands that despite drumming for 31 years, I've a lot to learn from most everyone. I appreciate your advice. I just really think the issue is the heads I'm using rather than my tuning method.

The Super-2s / Classic clears will be in this week. I think I'll like them better, judging by what my peers are saying about them.

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Old 12-04-2006, 03:56 PM
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I experienced the same probs. with the EC2's, I had to tune them sooooo low to get a good tone out of them and then it was like hitting a pillow. The G2's sing out just by looking at them compared to the EC2's

Yes, I had come to that same conclusion.

I gave the EC2's away this weekend.

Not my kind of head.

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Old 12-17-2006, 12:11 PM
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Default Tuning issue

Hey guys,

My high and mid toms dont seem to stay in tune for very long. I use Aquarian Response II heads.

What could be wrong here?

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Old 12-17-2006, 04:08 PM
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What type of drums do you have? Are you tensioning the heads really loose?
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Old 12-19-2006, 03:15 AM
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If you don't tune too loosely (which is usually the problem), then you might want to invest in some locking rods or lug locks.
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Old 12-19-2006, 03:17 AM
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If you don't tune too loosely (which is usually the problem), then you might want to invest in some locking rods or lug locks.
You beat me 2 it

i was gonna say the exact same thing.
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Old 12-19-2006, 04:34 AM
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Have you tried leaving your heads alone for 24 hours to settle into the drums?
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Old 12-20-2006, 06:32 AM
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I have Yamaha Stage Custom Advantage Toms.

I get the right sound I want when I tune loosely, nice and resonant, not a choked sound. How can I fix that so I can tune tighter with the same sound, reso head?

I will try setting the heads next time. Didnt know you had to do that. Thanks so far guys!
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Old 12-20-2006, 07:01 AM
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Letting the heads sit for awhile will help definately. I used to think that I had to tune the heads really lose to get resonance also. But I have learned tuning the reso heads considerably higher then the batter heads gives me lots of resonance. I tune the batter side about medium tension and tune the bottom heads way up, my drums are very boomy. This is the technique that Bonzo used.
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Old 12-20-2006, 07:25 AM
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Default Re: Tuning issue

I think I saw this somewhere... dont remember where though... that you can quicken the head's settling onto the rim by circling around the edge, where the glue is, with a hair drier.

The thought behind this is that the heat will dry glue and stop the stretching.

I know it sounds nuts... but I think it works.

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Old 12-27-2006, 08:36 AM
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Default floor tom tuning

hi, iv just bought new skins for my toms but im having trouble tuning them up nice.
iv put coated g2's on the batters and clear ambassadors on the reso's.

my rack tom doesnt sound too bad but it quite dead, as iv someones got there finger on the reso. should i loosen or tighten the reso? how tight or loose? (12x10)

my floor sounds horrid. i dont realy no how to explain it. it sort of grumbles and groans? lol. how tight or loose should be batter and reso be? (16x16)

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Old 12-27-2006, 08:55 AM
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You know... I'm not at all sure about this... but I think Evans might be having issues with their Coated G2s lately. The last few I've bought have been pretty bad, and I've heard of a few other people on here having troubles. Maybe I'll shoot them a email, see what's up.

Edit: Ok, just sent them an email. We'll see what's happening.

As for the tuning, just keep fiddling with it, or check out the link to the DTB in my sig if nothing else works.
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Old 12-27-2006, 09:55 AM
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kasper92, it would be helpful if you could mention how tight you currently have the batter/resonant heads on your toms in relation to each other, to help pinpoint the problem.

Anyway, a good place to start tuning your toms is to make sure that all the tension rods are tensioned evenly. Mute one of the heads against a carpet. With the other head, tap about 1" away from each tension rod, listening closely for the pitch; adjust the tension rods until they are all in tune with each other. Then repeat the process on the other head. This might solve your rack tom's deadness and floor tom's funny noises.

For your rack tom specifically, my guess is that tightening the resonant head has a better chance of "livening" up the sound, than loosening it does.

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Old 12-28-2006, 12:49 AM
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iv fixed the rack tom but the floor tom still doesnt sound good. the batter is slightly loose because im trying to get a warm tone and the resonant's quiet loose to stop ringing
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Old 12-28-2006, 04:24 AM
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It's damn tricky to get a decent sound from large toms, i recently got some pinstripes and im still finding the sweet spot in terms of how best to tune them for the sound i like.

Im not sure if this is the case but i always seem to find when first using a new head it tends to 'strech' and slightly drop out of tune till they settle in. Like the other guy said get one head sounding good before you work on the other, i start by taking both heads off and doing the reso head first, letting it stand for a few mins and playing it again making any adjustments it might need, only then i think about putting on the batter.
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Old 12-28-2006, 09:06 AM
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Im not sure if this is the case but i always seem to find when first using a new head it tends to 'strech' and slightly drop out of tune till they settle in. Like the other guy said get one head sounding good before you work on the other, i start by taking both heads off and doing the reso head first, letting it stand for a few mins and playing it again making any adjustments it might need, only then i think about putting on the batter.[/quote]

how tight should the reso be in this case? and what should it sound like? its a clear ambassador btw
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Old 12-28-2006, 09:26 AM
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You know... I'm not at all sure about this... but I think Evans might be having issues with their Coated G2s lately. The last few I've bought have been pretty bad, and I've heard of a few other people on here having troubles. Maybe I'll shoot them a email, see what's up.

Edit: Ok, just sent them an email. We'll see what's happening.

As for the tuning, just keep fiddling with it, or check out the link to the DTB in my sig if nothing else works.

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tighten the reso head. I have my reso heads pretty tight, always. gives a nice low sound that bounces back quick.

Anyway, I sort of have that same prob with my G2 clear. The stock heads are more resonant and sounds rounder to me.
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i have a really crappy performnce percussion kit with self named skins............

they sound really bad and ive tried everything, from drum silencers to trea towels, to tapeing a piece of cloth to the side of the drum..........but i cant get the sound i want

and i never really could tune a kit so.........
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My Premier Artist Maple kit want a bit of advice on Tuning.
Now i like the Deep tone sounds..Low down..

Iv got Remo Pinstriped Skins and have a 10 12 and 14inch Tom

Now when behind the kit the toms dont sound to bad.. could be better if im honest. but when listen from the other side they sound dead and crap.

Is it worth taken the std bottom heads off and putting REMO on there?
Its problem a tuning problem i would of thought.


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I know that the heads your drums came with actually need to get played on a little before they start sounding decent.
However, you could circumvent that and just use aftermarket thin weight heads on the resonant side.
G1 resonant, Diplomat, Attack Thin Skyn, Weathermaster Medium...all of these will allow your drums to sound more resonant, darker and larger.
Don't crank 'em too hard, either.
1-1.5 turns should be sufficient.
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http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/index.html

Read it. Then start tuning. Then read it again. And keep on tunin'... Remember, practice makes perfect.
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Old 01-26-2007, 06:39 PM
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I use a Tuning Key,

I did think about changing to a Pearl Masters kit to help get the deep Tom sound i want.

I currently use 10x9 12x10 and 14x14 toms.

I tried it the other day but when i now hit the drum the Pitch goes up and they instanly down again, its not the skin stretchin, it keeps doing this now then i hit the toms.
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Default 12" tom tuning problem

Hey folks!
Got a new set of heads, Evans G2 clear. Iīve always been searching for the right heads, never bought a special one twice. Now I thought letīs give it a try with Evans as I have an Evans genera on my snare an itīs doing just fine.
The problem is, as with every single head Iīve ever played, the 12" tom doesnīt sound good.
10" is always easy, nice tone and enough attack, 14" has always nice bottom end. Now my set is a Mapex ProM SE maple set. And I think it canīt be the quality of the set because the two other toms and the bass drum especially sound killer after two minutes of tuning.

Anyone who also got trouble with those 12"? How do you tune them?
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Old 03-08-2007, 11:54 AM
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Tune your 12" first and then tune the other drums around it. Always tune the hardest drum first.
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Thx. Going to try that.
But the main prob is that i canīt get the right sound of the 12".
Well, weīll see.
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Your probably trying to tune it to the other drums. Ignore the other drums, pretend the only drum you have is the 12"
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Old 03-08-2007, 04:41 PM
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check the bearing edge. i have a 12" tom that wont tune up, and after a couple years of fiddling with it i realized the bearing edge had a series of dents on one side. if the bearing edge isn't flawless, its gonna be impossible to tune the tom.
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The above advice is sound. You might also consider that some drums don't seem to "like" certain heads. An example - normally my 12" drum is the easiest of drums to tune, but not long ago I got the Evans EC2 coated heads to try out. It is very difficult with these heads to get the 12" to fit with the other drums when the pitch is where I want it. I've had to make very small adjustments in the tuning process to get the thing to work - I ended up detuning one lug to get the resonance and pitch where I wanted them, and I've never done that before! I can't really explain exactly what to do to make your drum sound better, but try tiny changes in tuning. Maybe when you change heads next time, you might try something different. I'm convinced there is no "best" drumhead for every drum...
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I had the same issue with my 10x12 tom.
Because my 10" is shallower at 8x10, I found that I had to have the reso head on the 12" at a tighter tension than that on the 10".
I think you'll find that the problem probably lies with the reso head. The G2 was sounding really hollow and "flappy" on the 12" until i tightened the reso up a bit.
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Thx for the answers.
Well, the reso head really is a big part of the problem. I´ve been tuning around the sweet spot. The sound I would like just isn´t possible. Too low to get a clear sound, it indeed sounds floppy.
But I´d rather accept that than tune up too high.
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Hey guys,

We have a Pearl Export Series we use at church that was donated. I went out last night and got new heads for it which it desperately needed as I couldn't tell you how old the ones on there now are (I'm guessing the better part of 8 or 9 years YIKES)

Anyway what was on there were the CS black dots and I picked up clear G2's after the experiences I've had with them on my Yamaha's. I'm having a heck of a time getting the floor tom to sound right. I must have spent an hour to an hour and a half last night working the tuning on both sides. I seated the head, backed off the tension and made sure the tone was the same at each lug while the opposite side head was on carpet to deaden it. I tuned up, down and just can't seem to find the range. What kind of tuning have you guys used on yours? It's a 16" floor tom. I got the 16" on my yamaha's growling after 15 minutes, I'm just not sure what I'm missing or is this common with this series from Pearl?

I've never had this hard a time getting a drum to sound good.
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Several things could be at play here. I'm a Remo guy myself, but the G2 is similiar to the Emperor head, as a standard 2 ply head. Might work, might not. Sounds like the later in your case. Most cats put Pinstripes on Pearl Export kits because that's about the extent of that drums versatility. Depending on what Yamaha series you're used to tuning, might be like goin' from a Porsche to a VW. You'll get that VW to run, but it ain't gonna sing like a Porsche. And then you did say "donated" right? Could be those drums were "ridin hard and put away wet". Might check bearing edges for troubles.
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You might find that MoonGel is going to be your friend.
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I'm still messing with it, it almost seems to be the reso head that won't tune properly, lots of overtone and some weird ones at that. I think I'm going to take it apart again, both heads off and start over. (insert frustrated smiley here!)

And Harry you're right about the Porsche/VW I've got a 1980's kit that yamaha made prior to the RC series, tuning them is pretty easy for the most part with the exception of the 12" tom, it's a little finicky.

On another note I tried an Evans Emad on the bass of the pearl set and I'm pretty impressed. I'm used to using a Superkick1 on my yamaha's and the guy at Guitar Center recommended trying the Emad instead and I tell you the Emad brought this pearl bass a new life!

I called GC today about the tuning problem and they were really cool about it and said if I wanted I could bring it in and they'd have a look. Never had to have someone help me tune a drum before so it's a little shot to the old pride. :-( I'm beginning to wonder if this floor tom isn't going to be wearing an EC2 by the time it's over??
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After taking both heads off and starting from scratch I think the problem is the reso, think it's bad. Just finger tight it's giving the really weird overtones that won't stop. Good possibility it's that head, it's a reso that came off of one of my drums when I switched them in the fall, I thought it had some life left but evidently not. So off to GC in the morning to pick up a new G1, hopefully that cures the problem (fingers crossed.)
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Default TUNING POSSIBILITIES

there are so many different possible combinations of tuning, top skin tight, bottom middle, kinda tight, top lose, middle tight

whenever i sit down to tune my drums, i just cant seem to find the RIGHT one, it overwhelms me and i end up just walking away......so many different heads to choose from soo many different combonations, it is really all worth it????

post what combinations you have and what it sounds like.....low....medium heavy metal sound? i really need some ideas cuz ive just about had it
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