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Old 10-05-2009, 03:59 PM
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Beyond Bop is a logical progression from Art of Bop, with Jazz Drummer's Workshop working as a nice companion and overview of the concepts and techniques (and some spicy exercises!). I recommended working through Beyond Bop first, adding the Workshop near the end of your study.
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Hey Guys,

It's been said up and down this thread but John's new DVD really is great. I love the collection of classic jazz phrases in the Creativity section. Just printed out the pdf and am going to start on it today :)

Thanks, John!
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Hello, I have a question is it necessary to study first The Art Of Bop then Beyond Bop Drumming and finally moving to the Master Drummer???? If you guys have other opinions about what order is the best, please write down. Thank you!
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Old 03-07-2010, 07:29 PM
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Hi Alowgroover,

One should definately work through The Art of Bop Drumming before getting into Beyond Bop. While familiarity with the Art of Bop would be helpful, it's not essential before exploring The Master Drummer dvd.

Good luck with all that material and be sure to listen to the greats.

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Hi John

thank you very much for your great books and DVD, they helped my playing a lot and still do, and they are awesome input for my own teaching.

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Hi Alowgroover,

One should definately work through The Art of Bop Drumming before getting into Beyond Bop. While familiarity with the Art of Bop would be helpful, it's not essential before exploring The Master Drummer dvd.

Good luck with all that material and be sure to listen to the greats.

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John, don't want to 'spoil' any of the material on your DVD, and i can delete this post if you want.

You talk about using the melody as a basis for time: singing it to yourself as you comp and seeing how it 'feels' compared to the other times you play it.

What would you do on a piece that doesn't fit in the box, ie. a tune with a latin B that just gets swung for solos, or a through-composed tune, or a tune with a 'solo' section that's composed, rather than just a repetition of the head melody?

Do you have any tips for the development of consistent time?

Thanks, DVD is awesome by the way!
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Old 03-10-2010, 07:43 PM
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Hi Oops,

Glad the DVD is helpful.

I find it helpful to sing the melody even when the groove changes.

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hey john, not a dvd related question here if you don't mind,
i was wondering what a great jazz pro like yourself thinks about elvin jones' hi hat placement in my favorite things. I believe that the hits are on the one and three? do you think this helps a jazz tune, or can it take away from a lot of them?

any reply would be great! Also loved your DVD, really helped me with my comping a while back when i got it, still watch it
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Old 03-12-2010, 02:10 AM
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Hi Oops,

Not sure which version of My Favorite Things you've heard but Elvin moves the hh around and plays on 2,3 or the + of 1 and 3, or on 2 and the + of beat 3 on the versions I know. Elvin used to say "I play the Viennese Waltz" meaning the + of 1 and beat 3. It sounds great to me.

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John,

Great to see you involved here! I'm working out of 'The Art Of Bop' now. Great book. Do you have any suggestions of good play-alongs to work on forms and different styles (ie bossa nova, swing, samba, etc)? Is this something I will find as I dive deeper into 'art of bop'? I'm just starting to work on the form stuff after really digging into the jazz ride and basic coordination for awhile.

THANK YOU for taking your time be involved with the forum!

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Old 03-18-2010, 03:35 PM
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Hi Matt,

Nice to hear from you and glad the book is helpful.

I would suggest playing along with any good CD and trying to hear each song's sturcture -the style of the music isn't so important. If you can't hear it while you are playing, listen to the track and count the measures; see if you can figure out the harmonic cycle. Also, some of the Turn It Up and Lay It Down CDs would be helpful.

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Hi John,

I finally got the chance to check out the DVD and it's wonderful--thanks so much for doing it! Among many other things, I really dig some of the metaphors you use (e.g., reducing the "friction" between limbs, "headroom," etc.) -- I think the images these evoke are very useful (and fun!) ways of making the information and concepts a bit more accessible to the brain and body. Much appreciated!

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Old 04-28-2010, 04:15 AM
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Thanks Spleen, glad the DVD is useful for you. Best, John
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Hi John,

I finally got the chance to check out the DVD and it's wonderful--thanks so much for doing it! Among many other things, I really dig some of the metaphors you use (e.g., reducing the "friction" between limbs, "headroom," etc.) -- I think the images these evoke are very useful (and fun!) ways of making the information and concepts a bit more accessible to the brain and body. Much appreciated!

best wishes,

spleen
Yes, I agree. I've used the 'headroom' term in my own teaching since seeing John use it on his DVD and it really helps get across the point in terms most people understand easily. "Why do I need extra technique/vocabulary when I already have what I play?" says a student, "For the same reason a car goes two hundred but you only drive at 60 etc". It's a really simple yet effective idea that everyone easily grasps to show them that by knowing extra technique/vocab etc it helps what you do play become that much easier.

Thanks a bunch John and thanks for the many inspiring ideas, books, DVD....that you've given to so many people from afar.

One question I would like to ask is this: Apart from the material presented in Beyond Bop, what do you usually give to your students to take them further in their uptempo playing? I still find I'm a bit stiff or tense at 300 and above. Obviously just a lot of practice is key but what about ways of practice and material? Did you have any exercises in particular that you found helped greatly? Any info would be very much appreciated. I went through a series of exercises that would take quarter and eighth notes, among others, in small phrases between snare and bass and then move them through the bar (ie displacing them a quarter note or eighth at a time) yet still found my ideas and overall phrasing a bit forced and static.

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I picked up the DVD last month and it is great. The DVD coupled with the three books is a very useful package to have.

Nice work John.
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Old 06-07-2010, 03:26 PM
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Hi Wy and Jazzin,

Glad to hear the books and DVD are helpful for you and your students.

Jazzin, regarding your question about feeling stiff at uptempos: My phrases may sound OK to the band or on a recording but, like you, as long as I am "trying" to play something, it tends to feel stiff to me. I think the key to getting a better flow, at any tempo, is to play the phrases you "hear" rather than the phrases you "know."

To upgrade phrases to a flowing level just requires spending more time with them. I suggest practicing them while playing with a recording. Force the new phrase onto the recording every chance you can. Once that works, play with another recording of a similar tempo, and see if something on that recording will trigger you to play the new phrase. That will be a signal that you are starting to "hear" the new material and, therefore, will be able to playing it in a more flowing way.

Let me know how his works for you,

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Hi Wy and Jazzin,

Glad to hear the books and DVD are helpful for you and your students.

Jazzin, regarding your question about feeling stiff at uptempos: My phrases may sound OK to the band or on a recording but, like you, as long as I am "trying" to play something, it tends to feel stiff to me. I think the key to getting a better flow, at any tempo, is to play the phrases you "hear" rather than the phrases you "know."

To upgrade phrases to a flowing level just requires spending more time with them. I suggest practicing them while playing with a recording. Force the new phrase onto the recording every chance you can. Once that works, play with another recording of a similar tempo, and see if something on that recording will trigger you to play the new phrase. That will be a signal that you are starting to "hear" the new material and, therefore, will be able to playing it in a more flowing way.

Let me know how his works for you,

John
That makes a lot of sense. Thank you very much, I shall let you know how it all goes. I would imagine that it is about hearing right now as it is about actually playing the phrases. The phrases themselves are fine to play but it is, like anything, more about stringing things together and forming a cohesive picture of playing and ideas which has been the trouble and locking/tensing up because they aren't coming together.

Cheers. Look forward to more of your great work John.

On another note: What do you think of the benefits of this variation from your book Art of Bop? I've been working the comping pages that incorporate snare/bass drum and interpreting them as hats (left foot), and bass drum while keeping a snare ostinato going throughout each triplet partial and moving it through each one progressively. So, basically playing the ride pattern and the left hand, for example, on every second note of each triplet and then underneath, playing the comping exercises with the feet. Do you have any other highly challenging material or variations for comping that you recommend?

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Old 06-21-2010, 04:06 AM
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Hi Jazzin,

The "cohesive picture" is the goal.

Yes, that's a good variation to work on and there are many more. Try this with The Art of Bop Comp 3: Play cascara with your right hand, clave with your left foot and read Comp 3 between the snare drum and bass drum.

Best,

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The "cohesive picture" is the goal.

Yes, that's a good variation to work on and there are many more. Try this with The Art of Bop Comp 3: Play cascara with your right hand, clave with your left foot and read Comp 3 between the snare drum and bass drum.

Best,

John
That sounds like a great exercise. It'll sure give me a lot to work on and since I've been trying to get my Latin chops up again, it's perfect timing.

Thanks again John :)

Look forward to your future work.
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Hi John Riley!I have your books and dvd.They are great,and I practice your lessons,from books and videos!Recently I watch dvd musical time from Ed Soph,and I saw that he is stop rebound on second note of triplet,when he is playing cymbal,and make upstoke on third note triplet.You rebound stick on first note of triplet,fast rebound.What is difference?HELPS
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Old 10-26-2010, 08:00 PM
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Hi Andy,

Good to hear from you and thanks for your kind words about my books and DVD. I am glad they are helpful for you.

Unfortunately, I have not seen the DVD you are asking about but Ed Soph is a fantastic player and teacher. When I watch Ed play, I see that we both use very similar motions.

I try to capitalize on the energy in the rebounding stick and use that instead of using my muscles to move the stick. I find, if I do stop the stick, my sound becomes more staccato and I fatigue faster. The only time I will stop the rebound of the stick is when I am playing very so tempos and gravity is starting to interfere. Perhaps Ed was demonstrating playing the cymbal pattern at a very slow tempo and had to stop and hold, or "catch," the stick to keep it from drooping down onto the cymbal.

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Default Jazz Drummers Workshop Pages 10, 11 and 12

Question is, are these meant to be "stand alone" patterns or incorporated into swing time?
They are enjoyable to play but am somewhat puzzled as to how to apply or incorporate them in to a standard jazz time feel. Especially since the quarter note pulse for the A B C on page 10 is the hi hat played with the foot.

The Second-Line Applications on page 14 are sweet! Easy to incorporate into your jazz time feels. Also make for some super funky straight eight patterns.

Thanks John for the great material.

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A lot of people on this thread have the dvd I see. I have one problem. If you read over the posts on the thread I said how much I loved the dvd and how much it has helped my comping and such. After a while I put the dvd down, as I was happy with my independence. Since I took the year off before applying to jazz universities, now I remember that there were a few exercises that I hadn't gotten to. And now I really want to try and gain as much independance as I possibly can, especially with the bass drum.

My problem is that a while back I gave all my playstation games to my friend, and I think the dvd was in one of the cases! Those games are long gone now. I still have the original case for the dvd.

If I was to upload pictures of the dvd box without the dvd, proving that I actually boight it a year or so ago, is it at all possible to send the dvd through e-mail or something....if it wasnt too much trouble of course. I just bought a bass drum head costing like €50, and I have no money to get it again. I'm not a bum, don't look down on me for this! :)

Just that the dvd was such a great one, and I'm kicking myself for stupidly losing it!
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There is an excellent article on John Riley in the Nov. Dec/2010 issue of Drumhead. Check it Out!!!
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Great article and great magazine. I wonder how John would have sounded with Zappa.

Just picked up John Scofield's "Live 3 Ways" DVD. I really wanted to see Johns playing in a live setting which is fabulous BTW. I own all Bop, Beyond Bop and The Master Drummer and will be picking up more titles with Johns playing just to here some great music.
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I'm having a great time using John's 3 books and now the DVD in my teaching. The younger kids find them easier to understand than Syncopation. I know not why.

Often I'll use a technique from one of them out of the blue during a lesson. For example, I was working through a solo with a 9 year old yesterday and there was a moment when frustration could have taken over, so I said hang on, let's take a break with this and showed him the Max Roach quote from the DVD. 6 notes on high tom than snare, paradiddle on floor followed by another between floor and snare followed by 4 notes on snare and then off we go again. It worked a treat and the lesson was a great success. We'll knock off that tricky bit of the solo at the next lesson.

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Why did it take me so long to get this DVD?!

Mr Riley (and anyone else reading), this is one of the best DVDs in my collection now. It is a very well thought out instructional DVD with a lot of insights into drummers and their licks, excellent exercises, and several tips that I've never seen covered before.

I don't want to spoil too much of it for the others, but thank you for such a wonderful product Mr Riley. I already have the Art of Bop Drumming book and this is an excellent companion to it. This will keep me busy for some time.
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Just finished said article - I agree 100%!

John,

Do you ever offer lessons on a one-time basis? IE is it ever possible to schedule one if I'm in the NYC area? If so, do you work with intermediate-level drummers?

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Old 01-09-2011, 07:02 PM
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Hi Matt,

Glad you enjoyed the article. Jonathan Mover was fun to talk to.

My schedule is really full but it might be possible to schedule an occasional lesson. I've also been getting good feedback from skype lessons if we can't hookup in person.

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Here some beautiful playing from master drummer John Riley that I think haven't been posted yet:


LINK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlFofyEPKxQ


All three books and the DVD are wonderful, milestones in education, a must!

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Great video Alex. Thank you. What I enjoy most about John Riley's material is that the books are not open ended. I feel that there are too many open ended drum books out there; the student doesn't feel the accomplishment of completing the book. Most drummers need to complete the book to a certain degree of competency and then be able to go back and revisit it. That's what I enjoy most about John's books for instance, in his book Beyond Bebop there is a section entitled “adding rests to the phrase”. I've gone back and study that section numerous times and every time I learn little bit more. For instance, what I find works best for me is to just count the rests, because within most of those four bar phrases, you end up resting on four beats. For example, if I know I'm going to play a four beats phrase three times within a four bar break, I will be resting on four of the beats within the four bar break. Did that make any sense? Well anyway that helps me feel the four bars as a movement or one large phrase.
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Correction; in my previous post I referred to the book “Beyond Bebop” I meant to refer to "The Art of Bop Drumming". One more thing: man Brady you are hot!
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Hi John,

I have your 3 books and your dvd and I must say that your work is amazing. It was also a great pleasure for me to read the article in the Drumhead magazine, didn't know that you had got the gig with Zappa. Pretty cool story.

My question is regarding the Basic Training part of your last book. I wanted to know if that approach was taught to you by the late great Joe Morello and if so, if it was the (or a) way to play the accents exercises in Joe's book, Master Studies. Also, how do you integrate that kind of stroke and the Moeller one into your drumset playing? Since the Moeller is based on a whipping action and the basic training is more a height/free stroke approach, I wondered how they worked together.

Thank you very much!

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Hi Daniel,

Nice to hear from you and thanks for your kind words about the books and DVD.

Yes, Joe taught me that approach and it can certainly be applied to the accents in Master Studies. These are control strokes and different than Moeller. I practiced each of these techniques separately, and to be honest, don't really think about either one when I play. I just let the ideas I play dictate the way; my technique morphs at best articulate the ideas.

I suppose one way you could create an exercise which moves between control strokes and Moeller strokes by inserting a bar of Moeller (RrrRrrRrrRrrRrrr for example) between each bar of control strokes as a link.

Good luck,

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Hi John,

Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer me. This is really helpful and inspirational.

Talk to you soon,

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Hello John. It's a pleasure to be on your thread. The first time I was here I didn't realize it was actually your thread. So if you read post 71. I am the somewhat arrogant sounding guy who wrote it. All I can say is that I got a little excited when I discovered something new for me when studying from one of your books. I want to thank you for all the help you've given me and all the help I know we will provide me in the future.
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Amazing DVD, Got so much from it John! Very inspirational.
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Default Re: Question Regarding "Jazz Drummer's Workshop" by John Riley

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You could go about accenting, buzzing, doubling or muting (don't forget the bass drum!) one or more of the strokes. Also, try substituting the hi-hat for the bass drum or the snare drum. How about interpreting each snare stroke as a rim click? See if you can incorporate your ride hand in the patterns without messing up its own pattern. Work with various subdivisions underneath the quarter note pulse. Go nuts, but be smart about it!
Great ideas.

I have slowly been working my way through the Art of Bop Drumming. John Riley is a tremendous teacher and musician.
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