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Old 03-23-2007, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig supraphonic snare 6.5 tuning

The classic 402....
I love mine and tune the bottom head very tight with the top head almost as tight. 42 strand snare wires and either a coated emperor or ambassador on top, depending on the situation. It sounds great. Nice pop with plenty of body and snare sensitivity. Mr. Bonham tuned his very similar with coated emperor on top and 42 strand snare wires as well. A great drum.
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Old 03-23-2007, 05:09 PM
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I agree with mikei. I own an early 70's Supraphonic and no matter how I tune it, it still sounds awesome. I currently have an Evans coated reverse dot on top, a 300 hazy reso on the bottom, with a set of the new Pearl 20 strand brass wires. I usually tune the bottom head tight and the top fairly tight.

Now I'll have to try a set of 42-strand wires on it.
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Old 03-23-2007, 07:57 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig supraphonic snare 6.5 tuning

The first thing to do is replace BOTH stock heads. The Luddy reso is actually thinner than a Remo Snare side, so it thins the sound as well. I crank the hell out of the bottom and make the top medium-tight to tight, never moreso than the reso side. Even when this drum is tight as hell it never looses its fatness! I have a Coated Remo Emperor on top, but will be changing to an Aquarian Coated Super 2 as soon as the Emp wears out. Go 2 ply coated in any brand, you cannot lose with the Supraphonic.
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Old 03-23-2007, 09:01 PM
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The Luddy reso is actually thinner than a Remo Snare side, so it thins the sound as well.
I love threads like this, nobody can be wrong since it's based on their preference.......

I've tried many different snare resonant heads on my Supra-Phonic's but keep going back to Ludwig's. While Joey thinks the thinner head, which he is spot on, they are, thins the sound, I feel it gives me better snare response with the thicker heads choking off my snare response............

Like Joey (if I read him correctly,) I don't like Ludwig batter heads. Back in the 1960's & 1970's they made a good head with the ones they offer nowadays nothing like the older ones. The accepted "norm" for a Supra-Phonic, well, metal shelled snares in general, is a coated single ply head like the Ambassador, on the batter side. I have used so many different heads on mine that I've lost count and will agree with the accepted "norm," that you get a good, traditional sound with a coated single ply............
I've always got a good sound with any head I've used on the Supra with the exception of the Earthtone (goat skin) but, once again, this is only based on my preference. One of these day's I am going to scrape the back-side of the Earthtone head in order to thin it down some to see if that opens up the sound a bit. I really like the sound of Aquarian's Carmine Appice batter head so generally have one Supra-Phonic fitted out with one of those but do switch back & forth with an Aquarian Hi Energy. I've also got a "wicked" marching snare sound out of Aquarian's Kevlar batter head, but, overall, feel that they are too thick to bring out the best in the Supra-Phonic, choking off the sound more than I like, similar to the Earthtone....................

When it comes to tuning my Supra's I'm all over the place, experimenting all the time to see what I can get out of them so my advice on the original question would be so convoluted that I won't even try.............

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Old 03-24-2007, 05:13 AM
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I tune mine as close to Bonham's as I can and with really good results. I use a coated Remo Emperor on the batter side, and just the Ludwig snare head on the bottom. I crank the snare head a lot higher then the batter, and about a medium tension on the batter head. You get your pitch from the bottom head and I like to have a nice "pop" sound so the bottom head is cranked down quite a bit. If you crank down the batter to much you lose your sensitivity. I also make sure the snares aren't choked off so when I brush my index finger across the snares I want each individual strand to move freely. I get a really nice snare sound, I usually get good compliments from other drummers.
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Old 03-25-2007, 08:26 AM
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It seems that many 6.5 owners, and not just Ludwig 402s, prefer the Remo Emperor on the batter side.



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Default Tuning: Ringing tone

Hi!
It's possible that there are another thread with the same subject, but I couldn't find anyone, so please give a link to an already existing thread if so is the case.

Anyway...I have a problem with my pearl snare with a evans power centre reverse dot head.
It has a ringing tone after every stroke, and I wonder how to get rid of it.

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Old 04-04-2007, 04:54 AM
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Default Re: Tuning: Ringing tone

Short Answer: Throw a Moon Gel or Drum Gum or Rem'O' Ring or something similar on it, it should get rid of it.

Long Answer: Basically this 'ring' is an overtone due to too much vibration. It is possible that even after tuning everything and adjusting the strainer you still might have some ring. Either way a little muffling can help this.
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Old 04-04-2007, 12:12 PM
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Short Answer: Throw a Moon Gel or Drum Gum or Rem'O' Ring or something similar on it, it should get rid of it.

Long Answer: Basically this 'ring' is an overtone due to too much vibration. It is possible that even after tuning everything and adjusting the strainer you still might have some ring. Either way a little muffling can help this.
Ok, isn't there any other way then putting some gel or muffling on it?

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Old 04-04-2007, 12:15 PM
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There is. Buy a genera or powerstroke 3 batter.
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:47 PM
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There is. Buy a genera or powerstroke 3 batter.
So you say it's the head that is the problem and not the way i tune the drums or something?
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:55 PM
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So you say it's the head that is the problem and not the way i tune the drums or something?
Probably itīs the drum. But the best way to get rid of the ring is a bit muffling. One other trick is that you can try is de-tuning one tension rod and see what it does.
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Old 04-04-2007, 11:55 PM
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Default Re: Tuning: Ringing tone

Could be both... When I play live I like a little ring. In the studio I dont. Different tuning... Also I will use a rem-o ring.. Or the moon gel... Wood snare of metal snare.. And which pearl... Have you been to this site to get the tuning down?

http://home.earthlink.net/~prof.sound/index.html

That is a great site for tuning. Im a Pearl Player and have 3 snares... I use the Remo CS heads on all three snares, so I have little ringing. If I need more I drop on the rem-o.

Hope that helps ya out..

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Old 04-05-2007, 03:54 AM
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Default Re: Tuning: Ringing tone

Ringing isn't necessarily a bad thing unless it's bad out in front. My snare has a little ring to it but out front all you hear is "CRACK" Could be that just may not be the right head for your particular snare. Sounds funny, but not every head will work on every drum. The quick easy fix is moongel or something of the like like mentioned above.

Seriously check out the link PearlPlayer listed, tons of excellent tuning info on there that is invaluable!
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Old 04-05-2007, 01:27 PM
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So you say it's the head that is the problem and not the way i tune the drums or something?
I don't know how you tune em. Tighten the batter real high and the reso much lower. Tune em with the snares off. If it still rings, tighten the reso higher. This will increase pitch (good) and make the snare sound much sharper (bad). If it still rings, muffle the batter. If that doesn't help, you must be playing in a shower.
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Old 04-05-2007, 07:23 PM
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How about just striking the drum dead-center?
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Old 04-06-2007, 03:27 AM
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Really, just mess around with the tuning. I have a Power Center and it had a nasty ring and a bad sound with the snares on, and I finally fiddled around with the tuning for about thirty minutes and it sounds pretty nice now. I don't really think muffling is necessary with any head from the Power Center line.
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Default Snare Tuning, am I doing it right?

Hi all! Right then, basically im having very much trouble with my snare tuning!!!! Im using a Mapex M Series Snare 14" by 6" deep (Black Forest Cherry if anyones interested)!!! I'll list what I do:

Reso head first:
- Put head on, then the ring and then finger tighten all lugs.
- Push down with my hand over each lug and tighten with fingers again,
- Check the pitch about an inch away from each lug for same pitch, if not then I change accordingly.
- Continue to tune finely, I roughly turn each lug around 1 1/2 times to 2 times.
- Check pitch

Batter head:
- Put head on, then the ring and then finger tighten all lugs.
- Push down with my hand over each lug and tighten with fingers again,
- Check the pitch about an inch away from each lug for same pitch, if not then I change accordingly.
- Continue to tune finely, I roughly turn each lug around 1 1/2 times.
- Check pitch

Then set the snares themself:
- Put tight at both ends a secure then tighten the snares accordingly, I have the fairly tight.

Basically when I hit the snare off centre it sounds rubbish
and It dont sound all that good in the centre either, but its the off centre sound thats bugging me. I have tried a 42 stand snare wire and that doesnt help, its more or less the same as a standard snare wire. What Am I doing wrong? Not being funny but I would prefer actual comments rather than a link to the Drum tuning bible, I want personal opinions really as to what im doing wrong x HELPPPPP!! Grrrr :-)
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Old 04-29-2007, 07:15 PM
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What heads are you using?

I usually start the snare tuned low and tighten and tighten untill it sounds good. Tedious but it gets the job done.
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Old 04-29-2007, 10:43 PM
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It could be your snare wires are a bit too tight. If you really crank them against the reso head you will choke the snare drum and it will sound horrible. I have a Mapex M Birch snare drum too and had to play with it for a while to get it right but now I really like the sound I get from it. Good luck!!
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Old 04-29-2007, 11:18 PM
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Erm....im using evans thin snare head on reso and an EC2 Reverse Power Dot on batter, the heads are great for what I want but not working for me at the mo grrr
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Old 04-29-2007, 11:29 PM
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Default Re: Snare Tuning, am I doing it right?

I used to have a similar problem, it was coming from the fact that the resonant head was not tight enough. Generally, on a snare, you want to tighten up that snare side head.

Keep playing around with the tunning, you'll eventually get at it.
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Old 04-30-2007, 12:58 AM
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Heads with center dots are also notorious for having a smaller sweet spot. You may like the off-center sound better with a head lacking the center dot.
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Old 04-30-2007, 04:25 PM
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Since I noticed that your heads aren`t the problem aswell as the way you tune the drum I think it is the pitch and adjustment of the snares.
How high is your batter and reso head tuned in comparison to a tom? Can you still dent the heads very easily? I made the experience that especially a very low tuned batter snare head sounds "crappy"...won`t give you a neat sound.
Also: Is your reso higher pitched than your batter or lower? If the reso is tuned higher than the batter it will give you more cut and a drier tone. If it is lower tuned than the batter it will give you a fatter and wetter tone with more body.
What sound would you like to have? I tuned both heads high (the reso a bit higher) to get a more cuttish, ringy, sensitive and very defined sound and feel.

The next thing is: How tight are your snares? I can highly recommend to tighten them up till you get a short sound but still sensitive on the edges near the lugs.
If the current sound near the lugs (with snares on) is choked and timbale sounding: Loose them. the difficult thing is to get the nice middle.

Important note: Did you care about laying the snare wires into the snare bed of the edge? It is important to get much sensitivity.

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Old 04-30-2007, 04:48 PM
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Some of my buddies and I have had great success after following the instructions in this video.

http://www.evansdrumheads.com/Resour..._Snare_les.wvx

He tunes the snare side to A, and the batter to C#.
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Old 05-10-2007, 12:45 PM
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Default Snare Tuning issue

I have a yamaha 14 x 5 bamboo custom snare, that sounded great. Took the head off (evans power centre) and put on a new one, and its ringing like a bitch.

I have to record in about 4 days and its starting to piss me off. I have been playing and tuning drums for about 12 years now,and never had this before. Any suggestions?
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Old 05-10-2007, 01:08 PM
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tried a bit of tape? or maybe tunning down a bit. i had a ringing issue with a snare of mine a while ago and put a bit of tape on the edge which sorted things out.
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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but....did you replace the old head with exactly the same, new head? Are you tuning it to exactly the same tension? I assume the answer to all these is yes, but you didn't state it explicitly in your post. If all the above are true, it's possible you just have a bad head. Try replacing it.
Otherwise, you can try tape, moongels, or a studio ring. All have worked for me at different times.
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Damp the head slightly with a finger about an inch from a lug. Hit it.

Repeat for each lug. If the ringing goes away when you're near a particular lug, that lug is likely tighter or looser than the others.
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A little making tape or elctrical tape should fix yoiu up nicely. Check the tuning of your bottom head. It has alot to do with ringing.
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Your ears are just used to the sound of the older head which was probably a little deader due to age. If your tuning is ok just give the head some playing time and it should calm down. But if you need the deader sound right away try a piece of moongel or tape.
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I had the same problem when i switched from Evans to Remo. I tried tuning about 1000000 different times.
What I did what change back to the old head and tune it really tightly, then went back to the new head and tunes it really tight, and for some weird reason it sounded great again. I have no clue why this worked but it did. I also tried tuning without the snares off, and it sounded o.k then with snares on it had the ring. I thought the problem was with the snares but the weird changing heads and tuning very tightly worked and my snare is back is business.


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I always get wary when I read threads like this... ring = projection... but some drummers think that ANY ring is bad. Truthfully your best bet is to get someone else to whack the drum while you listen from a distance away. If you're recording the last thing you want to do is muffle out ALL the ring.
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Default Black Panther Maple snare 13 x 6 tuning

I just bought myself a Black Panther maple snare 13 x 6 i was wondering what would be the best way to tune it up. I know that Steve Jordan uses a similiar dimension snare 13" I really like the sound of his snare. However right now I feel as if when I play the drum it has too much of a ringing noise or ressonance. But when i put a plastic drum ring over it I feel that it is too muffled. any suggestions or advice? I usually play alternative rock nothing too heavy. I like using rimshots alot but right now i feel as if its just too "ringy"
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Do you mean a fat snare sound without much ring but with body??
Maybe try to tune the resonant head very low, at least a few notes lower than the batter head.
Also try a lower batter head tuning to get a fatter sound.

What heads do you use currently? A Powerstroke could also solve your problem if tuning doesn`t help. But I doubt that.

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I have this drum and have it tuned low and fat. Love It.

I got this sound by bringing the resonant head up to the point just above where the head is wrinkled, then I tuned the batter head very loose (to where you can push about 3/8's of and inch easily into the head with your finger). I then finished the job with a square of moon gel and it sounds glorious! I had been tying to achieve this sound for sometime, and after reading the drum tuning bible twice, I got it right.

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i am currently using the heads that came with the drum can't afford new heads...any way to get a good sound out of it?...if i tune it low and fat...will it still have the ring or nice sound of a rimshot? or will it be slightly...i don't know hte word is dampened proper term?
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The most important thing now is: Experimenting. Very much.
Take time for that...it can take hours till you have the right sound.

Just try how hard you wanna have the batter head and the reso in comparison.
Maybe the batter tuned medium and the reso a few notes lower?

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any suggestions for new snare heads?
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:18 PM
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Maybe a normal Ambassador snare reso head or Evans Hazy...and a Remo Powerstroke 3 or Evans ST dry as batter? Would give you less ring and less resonance. Overall a drier fatter sound.

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