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Old 12-12-2018, 11:23 PM
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Default New hoop comparison video from Tama

I thought this video was pretty cool!

https://youtu.be/9eS9V2sSioU

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Old 12-13-2018, 12:45 AM
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Thanks, thats a very useful comparison. Tells me I don't prefer diecast on a snare. Nice sounding snare too.
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Old 12-13-2018, 02:28 PM
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Great video. Exact opposite here. At least now I have zero doubt why I keep gravitating toward die cast! The brass would be next.
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Old 12-13-2018, 02:45 PM
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Great find. Thanks!

Where can I buy the “customized brass hoops”? Is there a part number?
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Old 12-13-2018, 03:29 PM
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I Wonder why they use a different, 8-lug snare for the last two sets (with different tunings as well). Are those only available in 8 hole versions?
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Old 12-13-2018, 04:37 PM
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I Wonder why they use a different, 8-lug snare for the last two sets (with different tunings as well). Are those only available in 8 hole versions?
Their brass hoops that come with the Aronoff signature snare are 10-lug. The brass "acoustic" hoops are 8-lug and come on the maple STAR snare.

It's the "customized" brass hoop I wanna know about. Did they test something they don't provide the general public?
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Old 12-13-2018, 05:16 PM
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Their brass hoops that come with the Aronoff signature snare are 10-lug.
Yes, but those are the regular "brass mighty" hoops. The ones second to last in this video are the brass "sound arc" hoops, which have the inward flange and are more golden in color.

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It's the "customized" brass hoop I wanna know about. Did they test something they don't provide the general public?
Yeah, don't know anything about those either... Maybe they're an extra flexible alloy and purpose made for low tunings (hence the much lower tuning on the last test)?
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Old 12-14-2018, 03:55 AM
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The customized mighty brass hoops (shaved down), I think are the hoops that came with my Star Reserve HH Copper snare. I love the sound, but the rims are soft enough that I've noticed some marring from rim shots. That makes me sad. :(
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Old 12-14-2018, 04:01 AM
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One thing I've noticed that hasn't been mentioned is cross stick which to me sound much better (and easier to get a good crack ) on cast hoops then anything else I've tried.
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It's the "customized" brass hoop I wanna know about.
http://www.tama.com/world/parts/drum/page/hoop.html


https://www.drumfactorydirect.com/in...cPath=6_7_1058

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Old 12-15-2018, 01:21 AM
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I put a diecast hoop on the batter of my DW 10&6 collectors snare and it "dried" it out just enough for me. I love it.
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Old 12-15-2018, 02:07 AM
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The customized mighty brass hoops (shaved down), I think are the hoops that came with my Star Reserve HH Copper snare. I love the sound, but the rims are soft enough that I've noticed some marring from rim shots. That makes me sad. :(
What do you love about the sound? The overall sound, cross-stick/rimshot, or what? I’m almost tempted to get some brass hoops for my copper Oriollo.
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Old 12-15-2018, 04:55 AM
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What do you love about the sound? The overall sound, cross-stick/rimshot, or what? I’m almost tempted to get some brass hoops for my copper Oriollo.
I have to qualify this with the fact that custom brass rim is on the Tama hand hammered copper snare and it is 8 hole instead of 10 like all of my other snares, so I'm not sure how much is the rim composition or the drum itself, but... on this drum I love the openness of the rim shots. More depth and tone than with my other snares (cast rim). The cast rim is a sharp crack but it sounds to me that the shaved brass rim allows for more engagement with the shell, so more drum tone to it. For cross sticking, I love the sharp crack of the die cast because for me, it's just harder to get in general.
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Old 12-15-2018, 04:57 AM
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Thank you! I was thinking of ordering an extra rim just in case.... ;)
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Old 12-15-2018, 02:22 PM
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Thanks, it does look like the last two hoops tested indeed only exist in 8-hole versions!
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Old 12-15-2018, 02:52 PM
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Thanks! I looked right past the 8-hole listing.

I replaced the die cast rims on my Tama SLP G-Maple with the 20-hole brass mighty hoops and it opened up the drum noticeably. The mighty hoops have remained on the snare for a couple years now.
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I have a 10 lug nickel over brass snare drum. When I got it, it had 1.6 mm hoops on it. These were like the lightest, cheapest hoops on the planet.
I tried some 2.3 mm hoops on the drum. Of course it dampened the sound; removed some of the overtones and ring.
I think it sucked the life out of the drum.

If I want to dry out or dampen my snare drum I use a tiny piece of gaff tape on the edge of the batter head.
If I'm playing with a loud rock band I need my snare to be open and alive. So I don't like anything but thin cheap hoops on my drums.
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I have a 10 lug nickel over brass snare drum. When I got it, it had 1.6 mm hoops on it. These were like the lightest, cheapest hoops on the planet.
I tried some 2.3 mm hoops on the drum. Of course it dampened the sound; removed some of the overtones and ring.
I think it sucked the life out of the drum.

If I want to dry out or dampen my snare drum I use a tiny piece of gaff tape on the edge of the batter head.
If I'm playing with a loud rock band I need my snare to be open and alive. So I don't like anything but thin cheap hoops on my drums.
Just my opinion.


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I predict that thinner steel flange hoops will be making a comeback soon. They were on all my drums by default way back when and I can't remember ever damaging any, even though I was a hard hitter at the time and used to snap three sticks per rehearsal!
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Old 12-16-2018, 01:46 AM
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Thanks! I looked right past the 8-hole listing.

I replaced the die cast rims on my Tama SLP G-Maple with the 20-hole brass mighty hoops and it opened up the drum noticeably. The mighty hoops have remained on the snare for a couple years now.
I had the «brass mighty» hoops on my 14x3,5 Tama Powermetal Bronze snare back in the 90’s. It was a really sweet and punchy drum until all the stupid offset die cast box lugs shifted and cracked under tension...
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Old 12-16-2018, 06:14 PM
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I predict that thinner steel flange hoops will be making a comeback soon.

They already have on the Yamaha Recording Custom drums.
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Old 12-17-2018, 03:05 AM
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The customized mighty brass hoops (shaved down), I think are the hoops that came with my Star Reserve HH Copper snare. I love the sound, but the rims are soft enough that I've noticed some marring from rim shots. That makes me sad. :(
I LOVE this drum but like yours, my rims are taking a beating, and are starting to, for lack of a better word, dent up. Now I'm not an especially hard hitter and none of my other 25 or so snares have dents, regardless of hoop type. These hoops feel great and help the drum sound great but what was Tama thinking? At some point, we're going to need to order replacement hoops. Unacceptable.
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Old 12-17-2018, 04:46 PM
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I LOVE this drum but like yours, my rims are taking a beating, and are starting to, for lack of a better word, dent up. Now I'm not an especially hard hitter and none of my other 25 or so snares have dents, regardless of hoop type. These hoops feel great and help the drum sound great but what was Tama thinking? At some point, we're going to need to order replacement hoops. Unacceptable.
I agree. I'm not a hard hitter either and I never use sticks over 5A (and mine are maple at that). Who do we call?
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I LOVE this drum but like yours, my rims are taking a beating, and are starting to, for lack of a better word, dent up. Now I'm not an especially hard hitter and none of my other 25 or so snares have dents, regardless of hoop type. These hoops feel great and help the drum sound great but what was Tama thinking? At some point, we're going to need to order replacement hoops. Unacceptable.
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I agree. I'm not a hard hitter either and I never use sticks over 5A (and mine are maple at that). Who do we call?
I just sent an email off to where I bought mine to see if Tama or they can help me out in some way. I'll let you know if anything positive comes from it.
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:21 PM
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Thanks Mike. If Tama keeps making these, I suspect we'll see different hoops before too much longer. My drum, not used all that often, is still very much playable. The hoop is sharp at many points from all the nicks in the metal instead of smooth when I move my finger around it.
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Old 05-10-2019, 03:31 AM
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I got no response from my emails, and decided to order a cast hoop to see how it would work out. It's a different sound. Especially cross sticking and rim shots. Definitely more crack and a little less shell tone. I loved the sound of the original hoop, but the cast hoop (top only) seems like a good compromise, and I think I'll leave it on (at least for now) to save the original from further damage.
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I upgraded the 1.6mm stock hoops on my Tama 12" club jam snare to a heavy duty 2.3mm flanged hoop and was very pleased with the result. It did reduce some unwanted overtone but it still breathes and the thicker hoop really brought out some nice throat to the crack of the drum. Great video find!
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