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Old 03-29-2015, 05:01 PM
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Lately I have been having problems with just not liking my playing from time to time. Mostly from band-practice recordings and stuff. The things I play aren't "wrong" or sloppy/out of time and so on, It's just that I can't stand listening to it, but I don't really know why.

Anyone got any familiar experiences and tips on how to like your own playing more?
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Old 03-29-2015, 06:21 PM
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I have only played for 5 months.. so i always hate my playing :) Sorry thats not much help though..
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Old 03-29-2015, 06:21 PM
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Hah, does that sound familiair!

I only seem to pick up the bad parts, not the good parts.
Must be a perfectionist issue.

The ironic part is I was the one who edited all the videos of my last band...
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Old 03-29-2015, 06:31 PM
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Yeah.. I would say you should try and pinpoint what fills/beats/tendencies you dislike and erase them from your playing.

What do others think?
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Old 03-29-2015, 08:26 PM
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If you hate your playing then change it. Take a lesson, get some perspective.

But as others have said, always record yourself.
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Folks.... as I read the first line in the OP - he HAS been recording himself, and that's what he does not like. The sound of himself.

I first suggest a break if anything.
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Folks.... as I read the first line in the OP - he HAS been recording himself, and that's what he does not like. The sound of himself.

I first suggest a break if anything.
You mean, stop playing for a bit? Blasphemy! :D

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Old 03-29-2015, 08:54 PM
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Oh yes, I do know the feeling! Some reasons I can think of:

-you're sounding so familiar to yourself (obviously) that it's starting to annoy you?
-you imagine things differently musically or how it all sits, but at the moment of
playing all that comes out is (obviously again) you?
-as a musician you probably like diversion and varierty, but there is only so much
you can think of while playing, and it always sounds like you?

Hope you get the points I'm trying to describe. They do apply to me sometimes.

Also, in my playing, it often is the quality of it - timing, groove,
phrasing, creative and musical coherence (don't find another word) etc. that
makes me sick of it. So if this isn't the case for you as you say, you must be
luckier than me at least :).
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Old 03-29-2015, 08:57 PM
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The things I play aren't "wrong" or sloppy/out of time and so on, It's just that I can't stand listening to it, but I don't really know why.
Thaardy my man, I think the fine folk here should realise you're a player of very considerable skill. That's an important piece of context right there.

Reading between the lines, I'm getting you're not happy with your playing choices. That's a much more difficult fix than any identifiable technique based issue. I'm guessing you're probably being a little over critical, & you're simply transitioning one of those self satisfaction plateaus we all experience from time to time.

I'm constantly dissatisfied with my playing, but my issues are there for all to see. No mystery whatsoever :(
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:00 PM
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It happens. You push the envelope of your playing, then you master it, then after awhile it bores you. Two bits of advice for you. One is to realize that your being overly critical of yourself (not a bad thing) and others don't hear your playing with the same "been there done that" attitude. Second, and this is harder, get influenced. You have to listen to new influences and give them time to sink into your playing. You'll be okay, you've got the right attitude. It's ebb and flow.
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:22 PM
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Lately I have been having problems with just not liking my playing from time to time.

Anyone got any familiar experiences and tips on how to like your own playing more?
Not being completely satisfied with one's own performance is part of the human condition. It's part of the mechanism that drives us to improve. Musicianship is a constant battle between our abilities and the maturity with which we hear. The more you play, the more refined our perception becomes.

So it's not unusual that you feel this way, and it's not unusual for this situation to repeat itself every so often. What is important is that you learn to recognize this feeling as an improvement, and not get hung up about it.

Peace and love.
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:24 PM
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It's just that I can't stand listening to it, but I don't really know why.
Step 1. Figure out why.

Until you do that, we can only speculate.

I play very very basic drums and I generally love the way it sounds whether recorded or live because I'm listening to the music, not the drums.
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:37 PM
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Could it be that you're just tired of your own playing? This has happened with me.

Maybe you hear yourself and you think, "well there it is again - same ol', same ol'." I get that way (kind of there right now in fact).

Like Bill, Swiss Matthias and SunDog said, try new influences, add to your vocabulary or try some lessons that are different than what you're comfortable with. These have helped me.
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Actually, the next-to-last time I heard myself on a recording, I was surprised at how good I sounded! I hadn't heard myself for quite some time, and even though I'm not a flashy player at all, I was rather proud of what I heard.

Then . . . we recorded ourselves live at a large event in order to produce a demo tape. I was feeling really good that night, but all night long I was rushing horribly and making really amateurish mistakes. I was quite embarrassed.

Practicing is another thing altogether, though. I bore myself silly and marvel at my lack of inventiveness. Seems I can rock a band really well, but when it comes to integrating new material, I suck. I'm trying to budget a Zoom video recorder so I can record myself and do some serious critical analysis.

I suspect that most of us have gone through periods where we don't like our playing. But you've received some good advice on what to do. I just wanted to let you know that what you're experiencing is not unique.

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Old 03-29-2015, 10:40 PM
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I notice I hate my playing when I've recently gotten into a new style/song, and slowly realize there's no faking my way into learning it. My appreciation of this thing I hear in another drummer isn't going to be effortlessly absorbed into my own playing, just because I like it. For just a second I sulk like an idiot, then I remember this was the process for everything I know right now. Duh.
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Thaard, you need to break it down more. You have to pinpoint exactly what you aren't liking. Problems have to be fully identified before any work can be done on them. So what is it that is troubling you? Usually when I listen back to myself, and I don't like something, I know exactly why I don't like it, and either drop it or modify it before I play it next. It's really not that big of a problem once you identify the key elements that aren't sitting right with you. So what are the key elements you don't like? Or hate even?
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Thaardy my man, I think the fine folk here should realise you're a player of very considerable skill.
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:54 AM
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Thaard, you need to break it down more. You have to pinpoint exactly what you aren't liking. Problems have to be fully identified before any work can be done on them. So what is it that is troubling you? Usually when I listen back to myself, and I don't like something, I know exactly why I don't like it, and either drop it or modify it before I play it next. It's really not that big of a problem once you identify the key elements that aren't sitting right with you. So what are the key elements you don't like? Or hate even?
I don't really know for sure, but I think has to do with my expression and feel. It just doesn't sit right with me a lot of times.
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:24 PM
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I have only played for 5 months.. so i always hate my playing :) Sorry thats not much help though..
I could argue that you have been playing for such a short period of time you should be loving your playing. When we first start we soak up new stuff and learn things quickly cos everything is new and exciting. Make the most of it, it becomes harder and harder to improve in the leaps and bounds we do when new to drumming.
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I could argue that you have been playing for such a short period of time you should be loving your playing. When we first start we soak up new stuff and learn things quickly cos everything is new and exciting. Make the most of it, it becomes harder and harder to improve in the leaps and bounds we do when new to drumming.
Yeah.. i fear i have passed the leaps and bounds and am starting to hit walls:) but i still enjoy it..
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It's what I love about you Thaard.

All that talent, and yet your always so overly critical of your own playing. It's nice to know you stay humble.
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I don't really know for sure, but I think has to do with my expression and feel. It just doesn't sit right with me a lot of times.
Could it be that you're looking for American style groove and swing? I've read that European jazzers have traditionally admired and aspired to those things found in American jazz. Still, you bring that cerebral European prog/fusion thing to the table.
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:42 AM
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There is possibly nothing wrong at all. If there is nothing "wrong" with your playing, as you infer, timing etc, It is probably just you being over critical.

Stop listening to endless recordings and nit picking everything. If its a gig and you enjoyed the gig then its job done, dont over analise it afterwards. It is probably simply a phase you are going through.

Wait before you start taking your playing apart, geting a new teacher, dumping all you have done etc. All will be well.
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Old 03-31-2015, 12:07 PM
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Could it be that you're looking for American style groove and swing? I've read that European jazzers have traditionally admired and aspired to those things found in American jazz. Still, you bring that cerebral European prog/fusion thing to the table.
Maybe you're on to something there.
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Not being completely satisfied with one's own performance is part of the human condition. It's part of the mechanism that drives us to improve. Musicianship is a constant battle between our abilities and the maturity with which we hear. The more you play, the more refined our perception becomes.

So it's not unusual that you feel this way, and it's not unusual for this situation to repeat itself every so often. What is important is that you learn to recognize this feeling as an improvement, and not get hung up about it.

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Thaard, I know you're a really, really good player. One of the best I've heard on here and you've got your stuff together. For you, it's definitely not a matter of ability, it's that you've become familiar with yourself.

In your situation, I'd be thinking about making some stylistic changes. You're pretty influenced by Fusion styles so I'd be thinking about making some kind of break from that. Perhaps looking at hardcore punk or something totally unrelated to what you're doing now. You've done that with Jazz, maybe you can look at some other forms - or even step away from the kit and try adventuring in some other fields. I got pretty bored of things so I got into Noise.

Just some thoughts.
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No i never hate my playing ,i hate the mistakes i make or the groove is not what i wanted to be.But most of the time im the only one thats feels that way.
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After watching Benny Grebs newest dvd, and analyzing my playing from recent recordings, I've found that my playing from a drummers perspective is good, but not from a musicians. There's too many notes sometimes and it doesn't really benefit the songs.
So, at the moment I'm trying to change my thinking while playing and try feel it more with less notes.
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I wrote a thing about this recently- see what you think. A lot of it has to do with being more music-centric.
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I don't like my inability to play fills, but I know how to practice that. I can only play my drum set at band practices and gigs. I usually always like my grooves. When I DON'T like my drumming, is usually when I'm not getting comfortable tactile feedback from the drums / cymbals through the sticks to my hands. Sometimes I don't like my drum tuning, or the way the drums/cymbals sound to me, from the drum stool, or the sound they have in the room. Sometimes my hands feel like dead clumps of meat and bone (I'm 64, so...). I have to always wear the click in each ear, and the FEW times I take them out during a song, the drums and cymbals sound loud and horrible to me.
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I have to always wear the click in each ear, and the FEW times I take them out during a song, the drums and cymbals sound loud and horrible to me.
Hearing this causes me great sadness.


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As weird as this sounds,there are times when I'm playing in the moment thinking I suck ,and then when I hear it played back ,it's not bad.

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