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Old 05-09-2013, 08:11 PM
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Default Ludwig Black Magic Snare - throw-off upgrade recommendations?

Hello!
I just bought a Black Magic snare and want to upgrade the throw-off.
Has anyone upgraded their throw on this? If so, which are you using?
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:36 AM
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Why upgrade it?Is there something wrong with the one you have?

If you just bought the drum,it's still under warranty and Ludwig will replace it.

If not......it's not always a good idea to do something,just because you can.

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Old 05-10-2013, 02:43 AM
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Why upgrade it?Is there something wrong with the one you have?

If you just bought the drum,it's still under warranty and Ludwig will replace it.

If not......it's not always a good idea to do something,just because you can.

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i agree.
i have my black magic for more than a year and the throw is perfectly fine.
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:10 AM
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It looks and feels like it's made of plastic. I guess I'd feel more confident if I knew it was metal.
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Old 05-10-2013, 05:20 AM
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I am guilty of wanting to upgrade a throw mostly to make the drum look nicer. Hey it's my money.

:)

I'd get a trick gs007
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I have the same one on my BL and it has never once failed me or given me problems, its just as good or better than the P-85 they put on their more expensive snares. Without getting an adapter it will be hard to find a replacement.

This might work but I know nothing about the performance http://www.drumfoundry.com/c-95-rck-throwoff-butt.aspx
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Old 05-10-2013, 02:31 PM
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Zarrdoss,
I like the black nickel plated RCK that I saw in your link. It would match my hoops and it looks like it would mount right up without any adapter. Thanks for the info!
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Dre25,
I looked at the GS007 and like it, but would need an adapter and it's a little pricey for me. I think I'm gonna go with the RCK. Thanks for the recommendation!
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Keep in mind the holes on your throw are 1 1/2" and the other said it was adjustable to 1 3/8 so will it go another 1/8" ? you might have to wallow out the holes a 1/16" on either side to get it to fit maybe, let me know how it goes and how it feels compared to the stock.
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Old 05-11-2013, 03:45 AM
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its just as good or better than the P-85 they put on their more expensive snares.
You mean the second worse throw off ever?:-)
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Old 05-11-2013, 04:51 AM
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Keep in mind the holes on your throw are 1 1/2" and the other said it was adjustable to 1 3/8 so will it go another 1/8" ? you might have to wallow out the holes a 1/16" on either side to get it to fit maybe, let me know how it goes and how it feels compared to the stock.
Ahhh, I measured my snare wrong! LoL
Well, it looks like I'll be ordering an adapter afterall. =)
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You mean the second worse throw off ever?:-)
Lol, what's the first?
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Lol, what's the first?
That would be this one!
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Old 05-12-2013, 05:59 PM
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niburja, the throw you have is metal, and I doubt it would ever fail. I have this throw (chrome) on a World Max snare I've had for almost 10 years.
It's just not the same finish--it's powder coated instead of being Black Nickel.

Nickel would look nicer, but 'm sure it was a cost consideration to powder coat.

I can't say to leave it or change it, because 5 years ago I would have changed it and found a throw to match, even spending some serious bucks...these days, I wouldn't spend the money.
Just my mindset these days :-)
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Old 05-12-2013, 06:13 PM
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It's just a basic WorldMax strainer, I have one on my Black magic and one on my Supralite, I never have had any problems with them.

http://www.drumfactorydirect.com/ind...oducts_id=2421
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niburja, the throw you have is metal, and I doubt it would ever fail. I have this throw (chrome) on a World Max snare I've had for almost 10 years.
It's just not the same finish--it's powder coated instead of being Black Nickel.

Nickel would look nicer, but 'm sure it was a cost consideration to powder coat.

I can't say to leave it or change it, because 5 years ago I would have changed it and found a throw to match, even spending some serious bucks...these days, I wouldn't spend the money.
Just my mindset these days :-)
Unfortunately, I'm a sucker for looks. I already ordered the RCK throw. Going thru buyers remorse now but, hey, I'll forget all about it after it's installed. =) Thanks for your input. I appreciate it!
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:31 PM
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That would be this one!
Nice drum,but non original rims and strainer.

If there was a way to disargee more than 100% about the P-83 or the Slingerland rapid strainer,I would.

I have P-83s on several Ludwig snares,and a Rapid strainer on my Hollywood Ace.Dispite being over 45 years old,they ALL still work flawlesly.Smooth,quite and buttet proof.

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Old 05-12-2013, 09:36 PM
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niburja, the throw you have is metal, and I doubt it would ever fail. I have this throw (chrome) on a World Max snare I've had for almost 10 years.
It's just not the same finish--it's powder coated instead of being Black Nickel.

Nickel would look nicer, but 'm sure it was a cost consideration to powder coat.

I can't say to leave it or change it, because 5 years ago I would have changed it and found a throw to match, even spending some serious bucks...these days, I wouldn't spend the money.
Just my mindset these days :-)

That strainer is pretty much bullet proof Karl.

The worldmax strainer is actually based on the Slingerland TDR which is super simple and sturdy.I hve one on my 79 Slingy Spitfire brass snare and giged it pretty hard for a few years and it still works flawlessly.

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Unfortunately, I'm a sucker for looks. I already ordered the RCK throw. Going thru buyers remorse now but, hey, I'll forget all about it after it's installed. =) Thanks for your input. I appreciate it!
Let us know how it turns out, Another one that might work is a DW mag throw, all you would need are some spacers to get it over the bead and drill the holes out for the larger screws. I have contemplated this for a while but my money goes elsewhere these days.


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Old 05-14-2013, 02:48 AM
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Nice drum,but non original rims and strainer.

If there was a way to disargee more than 100% about the P-83 or the Slingerland rapid strainer,I would.

I have P-83s on several Ludwig snares,and a Rapid strainer on my Hollywood Ace.Dispite being over 45 years old,they ALL still work flawlesly.Smooth,quite and buttet proof.

Steve B
Opps.Wrong pic! I love the p83. It works way better than the p85. Maybe the Hollywood Ace review is a bit unfair but mine fell apart.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:35 PM
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You may have gotten a bad one.From time to time they were outsourced to Wallberg and Auge.There are also some P-83's and Rapids which are tough to tell apart except for the logo stamp.

Some were also all brass at one time.

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Let us know how it turns out, Another one that might work is a DW mag throw, all you would need are some spacers to get it over the bead and drill the holes out for the larger screws. I have contemplated this for a while but my money goes elsewhere these days.


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Okay, here's my new RCK throw on my Black Magic Snare. I had to adapt the adapter a lil' bit and drill two new holes in my snare but it works and looks great!
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Okay, here's my new RCK throw on my Black Magic Snare. I had to adapt the adapter a lil' bit and drill two new holes in my snare but it works and looks great!
looks great, could you elaborate a little bit on the holes you had to drill and the mounting process? also could you snap a shot ftom the side? how does it compare to the stock throw?
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looks great, could you elaborate a little bit on the holes you had to drill and the mounting process? also could you snap a shot ftom the side? how does it compare to the stock throw?
I used a Domino Retroplate and fitted it to the RCK throw.
First, I marked where the new holes on my snare would be (2 1/2" spacing) using the retroplate. Then I drilled them out using a 13/64" drill bit. Next, I fitted the throw to the retroplate. The screws it came with were meant to mount to the Trick GS007 so I had to cut off some excess length with my Dremel tool and buy two nuts & lock washers to attach it securely. Finally, I mounted the whole thing to my snare using the screws, nuts & lock washers supplied with the retroplate.
The action is smoother and feels more solid than the stock throw. I'm very pleased with the outcome!
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Old 05-19-2013, 10:21 PM
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i agree.
i have my black magic for more than a year and the throw is perfectly fine.
Did you just sell one on ebay?
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Looks good, glad you like it. I might change mine someday but not for a while. Did you try and mount it without the adapter plate?

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Old 05-21-2013, 05:39 AM
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Looks good, glad you like it. I might change mine someday but not for a while. Did you try and mount it without the adapter plate?
It's not possible because of the bead in the middle and the RCK doesn't have a cut out for it.
The pictures I posted don't quite do it justice, but believe me, it looks really good and works very well... I'm very pleased.
I spent about $80 total.
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Nice work!
I saw one of these throws in person over the w/e, and I liked it. Sturdy and smooth.
I wasn't too hip on it's looks in a pic, but "in real life" it's pretty nice. I like how the butt end plate fits different hole spacing too.
Pretty beefy for how small it is.

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Old 08-25-2013, 08:54 AM
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I bought a snare that came with the RCK and it's become one of my favorite strainers. It's simple and smooth. I haven't had it for too long so I'm not sure of it's longevity but it is a definite step up from most generic strainers and it's light years ahead of the Ludwig strainers that I've had to wrestle with over the years. Did you try the adapter that Drum Foundry is selling. They look like they might have fit the bill. The RCK will fit a beaded shell without any modifications. Mine is on a beaded brass shell without any mods whatsoever. They are great throws and I intend to retrofit 3 snares with it when I get the time and money. They are a good substitute for the Dunnett and Tricks just like the Black Magic/BoB and Pearls are for a Black Beauty. They give you great bang for the buck.
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Old 08-25-2013, 09:17 PM
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If I was upgrading a Ludwig drum, I would go to the P-86. Having said that, I am building a 14x6.5 and am putting an RCK on it. It is in the same league as the Dunnett or Trick throw offs, and it will last for ever. Best throw I've used so far!
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