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Old 12-31-2018, 11:34 PM
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Default The New Tama Starclassic Walnut/Birch

They look exactly as you'd expect from Tama: fantastic, and ready to take the mantle from the recent birch/bubinga models.

https://www.tama.com/eu/products/dru...b_drumkit.html





What I find really interesting about them (besides the beautiful finishes) is one of the size configurations chosen as a "standard" set:

8X12 mounted tom
16X16 floor tom
14X22 bass drum

So, it seems that Tama has been watching the current trends in sizing - a return to the traditional dimensions that were seen before the power-tom sizes. And I like that. Can't wait to hear them in person. Especially the bass drums.

Of course, Tama has not abandoned the "deep" toms and bass drums. They are still available as standard issue.



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Old 12-31-2018, 11:42 PM
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Coming from someone who likes shallower bass drums, it is a welcome sight to see for me. Though the die hard 18"+ depth people might be a little put off.
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Old 12-31-2018, 11:54 PM
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I'll take one in Ocean Blue Ripple please. Brightness of birch and the warm of Walnut . Great mix
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:04 AM
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This looks like a homerun,..especially like that they're doing a 14x22 kick
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Old 01-01-2019, 12:23 AM
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...and with the announcement of Starphonic copper, Tama is hitting it out of the park in 2019! https://www.tama.com/usa/products/sn...ic_copper.html

Why wait for NAMM to announce your 2019 offerings?
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Old 01-01-2019, 01:16 PM
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I’m in love with the used B/B kit I picked up a few weeks ago, but that 3 piece with the 14x22 bass drum is my kind of kit. Looking good Tama, keep up the fine work.
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Old 01-01-2019, 05:38 PM
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Wow! Great stuff. I love my B/B but the W/B looks and sounds very nice.
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Old 01-01-2019, 06:15 PM
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I've always liked Tama stuff. Some really nice new finishes in that link. I'll be curious to see how they stack up vs the B/Bs. They sure sound good on that demo.
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:02 PM
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At last : basic kits without a 22x18 ! Yesssss.
Great move from Tama. All the walnut kits I heard were great sounding.
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Old 01-02-2019, 08:51 AM
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A bit intrigued with the satin finishes, the Sapphire and Burgundy looks pretty nice. Not liking the flashy psychadelic finished ones. Allthough a bit sad they went away with the 18" deep bassdrums in a standard configuration, but I see the 16" deep bassdrums has come back in trend now with a lot of other kits as well. I could probably live with it, but being a metalhead, less is never more. More is more ;). Too a certain limit though. Not that big of a fan of powertoms and 20"+ deep bassdrums...

Could very well be my next kit, if I get a nice offer for my big Pearl Masters BCX kit. I fancy that Satin Burgundy Fade in a doublebass setup :)
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Old 01-02-2019, 09:16 AM
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Are these made in China, or Japan?
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:06 AM
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China. Only the Star series is made in Japan, at least in the mass market, as far as I know.
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Old 01-02-2019, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: The New Tama Starclassic Walnut/Birch

Tama has definitely been listening. Nice to see the shallower BDs in a mass produced line. Kind of a bummer though, now my set is “common,” except For my shallower FTs...sort of like my internal battle between visually purist sizes and smooth audible roll off 12x14 and 14x16. LOL!

Their expansion of available finishes is impressive as well. When Bubinga got the axe, I was thinking/guessing they would replace with walnut. I think they will hit a total home run with this line up.

Their new Starphonic copper snare in 7” depth my just be what my mental health professional recommends...I’ll have him write me a script...anyone know a good shrink in the Phoenix area? LOL!!!
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Old 01-02-2019, 04:27 PM
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Does anyone suspect that Tama replaced bubinga with walnut because bubinga is on some governments’ CITES list? I do, even though Star bubinga kits are still offered.

Info at Gear news.
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For example, a seller in Nashville looking to ship her 2013 Martin 000-28 with East Indian rosewood back and sides to a buyer in Canada must apply for a re-export certificate, pay the application fee, receive the certificate, and include that document with the guitar when shipping.
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The reason for the billion-dollar demand for rosewood - and the subsequent trafficking - has less to do with musical instruments and much more to do with furniture.

In particular, China’s high-end furniture market created enormous demand that led to severe deforestation of several Dalbergia species in Thailand, Vietnam, and several other countries.

Not all Dalbergia species are threatened by the furniture boom. But rather than train border officials across the world how to identify the nuanced differences between them - something that even experts struggle with at times - the participants of the CITES conference decided to create a blanket regulation on the entire genus of Dalbergia wood.
Regardless, I’m looking foward to hearing this new design.

And now for some eye candy:

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Old 01-02-2019, 04:31 PM
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Does anyone suspect that Tama replaced bubinga with walnut because bubinga is on some governments’ CITES list? I do, even though Star bubinga kits are still offered.

Info at Gear news.
Info at Reverb.

Regardless, I’m looking foward to hearing this new design.
Honestly, I don't doubt it. The lower priced something is, the less the hassle of dealing with CITES becomes. With the Star kits, they are high end enough that it is probably still worth the hassle, but perhaps not at the Starclassic level.
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Old 01-02-2019, 08:09 PM
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I just hope they price them similar to the previous Performer line.
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I just hope they price them similar to the previous Performer line.
I don't know what the Performers were priced at, or what prices are like in Italy,
but here's the pre-order pricing from one US store:
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/sear...alnut%2FBirch+
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Old 01-02-2019, 09:12 PM
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I don't know what the Performers were priced at, or what prices are like in Italy,
but here's the pre-order pricing from one US store:
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/sear...alnut%2FBirch+
They’re about the same I guess. Still can’t afford it tho lol
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Old 01-03-2019, 02:05 PM
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I love the new combination. Waiting to hear on a better and less produced demo of the sound, though!

I'm curious how they compare to my 100% walnuts. I'm expecting a more bright component and harsher transients...
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Old 01-04-2019, 02:38 PM
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China. Only the Star series is made in Japan, at least in the mass market, as far as I know.
Kinda.

In japan, the Starclassic line is still "Made in Japan" and it looks like they're still selling B/B kits and not offering B/W for their domestic market. The move to walnut seems like something they had to do in terms of supply and marketing rather than a legitimate optimization.

I heard a YouTube demo of these yesterday and cant say they're my cup of tea but it might be just that recording or room optimization. Sizes are great, but I kinda wish they just went back to 100% birch to keep cost down.

Edit: Market lacks options for the "working class" drummer that wants a solid pure birch kit. Either its a lower to mid range product or excessively expensive and mostly custom option that you wouldn't really want to take on gigs.

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Old 01-04-2019, 02:43 PM
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Kinda.

In japan, the Starclassic line is still "Made in Japan" and theylook like they're still selling B/B kits and not offering B/W for their domestic market.

The move to walnut seems like something they had to do in terms of supply and marketing. I heard a YouTube demo of these yesterday and cant say they're my cup of tea but it might be the room and mics.

Sizes are great, but I kinda wish they just went back to pure birch to keep cost down.
Like cbphoto said before, I think the move to walnut has to do with the changes in CITES regulations.
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Like cbphoto said before, I think the move to walnut has to do with the changes in CITES regulations.

It's probably a little bit of everything, but I'm pretty sure tama is keeping B/B and Pure bubinga in their Japanese starclassic line up since its made in the Japan STAR factory and not the china plant which has been used for external markets to keep costs down since around 2010 or so.
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It's probably a little bit of everything, but I'm pretty sure tama is keeping B/B and Pure bubinga in their Japanese starclassic line up since its made in the Japan STAR factory and not the china plant which has been used for external markets to keep costs down since around 2010 or so.
Because of CITES, bubinga, both bulk wood and finished products, is getting harder to move internationally, so those MIJ B/B kits will likely only be manufactured for as long as they have local stocks of timber.
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Because of CITES, bubinga, both bulk wood and finished products, is getting harder to move internationally, so those MIJ B/B kits will likely only be manufactured for as long as they have local stocks of timber.
That and if they are built in Japan only for the Japan market they don't have to deal with export certificates for them either. Which might be another reason why they are made in Japan and not in China for the Japanese market.
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Wow, they like to mix birch with everything.

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Seems like B/B could grow in value, not that I care, because I'll be keeping my kit till I die (too good).
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Seems like B/B could grow in value
That'd be great. I'd been looking for a great deal on a SC BB for a long time. I finally pulled the trigger on a 5pc BB in Ice Blue Pearl for $1400, then found one a couple months later on my local Craigslist!, (used, in excellent condition) for $800, so I bought that one too. 😐
I thought I'd sell one, but maybe I'll hold on to both of them now, I don't know
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Seems like B/B could grow in value, not that I care, because I'll be keeping my kit till I die (too good).
Not sure about that one. They made plenty of them, so there probably won't be any shortage of supply any time soon. Hold value? Well that would depend on the trends.

In the end it will all depend on how much someone might want the BB over the BW or whatever else comes out.

Sometimes it might mean that the value actually goes down since it won't be what is currently out and getting replacement or additional stuff is more difficult.
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Great input, Bros!! On all fronts. I did take that leap of faith with the W/B. I also do have the B/B. I was very happy with the B/Bs even with the wrapped kit I have in Charcoal Onyx. I've had the B/B kit for about 4 years and they still look great and sound great. My only dilemma now is that while I'd planned on selling the B/B kit, now I kinda feel I should keep it. Reason being, the B/B has a much more focused sound which may be a bit better for recording. the B/W while likely a great recording kit, is a beast for Live gigs. I opted for the lacquer finish this time in Molten Brown Fade; and it is absolutely as stunning as it is interesting how they created that look. The quality of the finish is nothing short of flawless. I'll also ad that the wrap on the B/B kit is of superior quality compared to any top grade brand I've seen.

There are many brands making really nice drums at even the lower price points. But.... I have now a lineup of Tama kits from the Cocktail Jam, Club Jam, SLP Fat Spruce, B/B, and now W/B. Tama is without a doubt a legit brand. Even the Cocktail and the Club Jam kits serve their purpose very well. Others brands I have - Gretsch New Classic Maple, Pearl Masters Complete, Yamaha Live Custom, and Bucks County Drums Maple Walnut. All of which I love playing. Good heads and tuning and each speaks nicely in it's own voice. All that said.....Starclassic W/B is quickly becoming a top favorite for the "Go To" kit.

I hope this is useful for those curious about the W/B drums.
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