DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM   

Go Back   DRUMMERWORLD OFFICIAL DISCUSSION FORUM > General Discussion

General Discussion General discussion forum for all drum related topics. Use this forum to exchange ideas and information with your fellow drummers.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1  
Old 11-04-2013, 04:42 PM
keep it simple's Avatar
keep it simple keep it simple is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 20,836
Default Wow!

I've just had a major wow moment!

Back story: I used to earn my living as a bottom feeder session (live & recording) drummer way back in the late 70's, early 80's. I gave up for many reasons around 1985/6. Wind forward to 1996. I was living in a rented accommodation provided for my family by my employer of the time. The house was broken into, & all my 1/2" masters + CD's were stolen - never recovered. Essentially 7 years worth of sessions, etc. All my musical memories, both good & bad, gone.

Wind forward to 30 minutes ago, I get a call from a very old friend of mine. A significant industry engineer back in the day. He had a water leak in his loft space, & had to move some crap to gain access. In one box was a 1/4" stereo 10" reel of a song I co wrote back in 1979. It was recorded in a budget 8 track studio of the day, but was good enough to attract the attention of Mike Jarret from EMI Abbey Road. It was re-recorded there, but never released, & no record of the Abbey Road recording can be found. That introduction lead to the work I subsequently did in London for some years afterwards, so it's a pivotal recording in my life. Would be great to find the superior recording, but I'll be super happy if the original demo recording has survived. Steve (my friend) says the tape looks ok, but will likely have degraded over the last 34 years. We're both searching for someone who has a 10" tape machine right now.

If it can be salvaged, I'll post it up here. It might be rough, but for me to have just one memory piece from back in the day is massive. Updates as/if they happen :)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-04-2013, 04:52 PM
Hollywood Jim's Avatar
Hollywood Jim Hollywood Jim is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Phoenix, Arizona
Posts: 3,905
Default Re: Wow!

Excellent news ! Old recordings have great value for several reasons.

Last week I was listening to a recording of my band from 1966. I tried to recreate the drum part. I can't figure out exactly how I was playing the groove on the recording. I guess can't play drums as good as I used to.... LOL


.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11-04-2013, 05:00 PM
keep it simple's Avatar
keep it simple keep it simple is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 20,836
Default Re: Wow!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywood Jim View Post
I guess can't play drums as good as I used to.... LOL


.
Oh, tell me about it!!! :( That said, this track was composed as a pop song, & from distant memory, very simple groove stuff. Just the possibility of one of my "in groove" fills making an appearance though. Interestingly, I can't remember if I recorded this with my Ludwig or Slingerland set of the day. If I'm lucky, & the recording is reasonably intact, I'll be able to tell which set instantly. I do remember the kit was only recorded with 3 mic's (damn those 8 track demo recording restrictions when there was no time to bounce).
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 11-04-2013, 06:20 PM
tamadrm tamadrm is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 5,819
Default Re: Wow!

Here's hoping you find a machine Andy.I had ,in some ways, the same thing happen to me.I had some studio masters and live stuff on 10" reel to reel on a Teac X10 machine.

My buddy and former bass player, asked if he could borrow the tapes and machine as he wanted to convert the tapes to CD.A week later,he calls me up to say the machine and tapes were stolen out of his car.All that history is now gone forever.

I'm still mad at him,but I forgave him for leaving anything of value in a car.

Anyway.Have you considered buying a machine?They go for between 350 to 1000 US on ebay these days for a Teac x10.Just a thought mate.

Here's wishing you the best in your search.Cheers

Steve B

Last edited by tamadrm; 11-04-2013 at 10:38 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 11-04-2013, 09:43 PM
8Mile's Avatar
8Mile 8Mile is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 3,964
Default Re: Wow!

That is really exciting. I love discovering long-lost things. But this is more than your average novelty, it's obviously something very special to you, so even more important.

Do keep us posted, Andy.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 11-04-2013, 09:48 PM
groove1's Avatar
groove1 groove1 is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Midwest US
Posts: 780
Default Re: Wow!

That's a great story! How strange the world is!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11-04-2013, 10:30 PM
Anon La Ply's Avatar
Anon La Ply Anon La Ply is offline
Renegade
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Cyberspace
Posts: 5,512
Default Re: Wow!

Great find! Over the years we collect recordings from our past and you never know how significant one of those recordings could be to someone who was involved.

Fingers crossed on retrieval, Andy. Some of my 30 year old cassettes had degraded but held up surprisingly well by the time they were transferred to digital. The biggest danger as far as I can tell is that the tape was in a loft and might have been exposed to high temps which degrade magnetic tape, but things might not be the same in the cool and damp of the UK ...
__________________
Soundcloud
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11-04-2013, 10:49 PM
con struct's Avatar
con struct con struct is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Lumpen post-industrial district
Posts: 2,063
Default Re: Wow!

Andy, don't play a tape that old until it's been properly restored, i.e. baked.

PS But not in Snackmaster Pro. That's just too weird.
__________________
Call me J
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11-04-2013, 11:08 PM
last man to bat's Avatar
last man to bat last man to bat is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: East Anglia
Posts: 259
Default Re: Wow!

And on the same day they have anounced the missing Matisse and Picasso paintings turning up... More than just a coincidence I feel. *scratches chin whilst dusting off deerstalker*
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11-05-2013, 12:21 AM
keep it simple's Avatar
keep it simple keep it simple is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 20,836
Default Re: Wow!

Thanks for all the good wishes guys. Even if this recording is recoverable, I'm sure the reality will be far less satisfying than my memory of the session result. Frankly, that doesn't matter to me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by con struct View Post
Andy, don't play a tape that old until it's been properly restored, i.e. baked.

PS But not in Snackmaster Pro. That's just too weird.
Yes, good advice, & something I've heard before. I'll keep you posted on the results Jay :)
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11-05-2013, 12:42 AM
GruntersDad's Avatar
GruntersDad GruntersDad is offline
Administrator - Mayor
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Gulf Coast Seminole, Florida
Posts: 22,338
Default Re: Wow!

I love hearing these stories of the past. My past was not so elegant and have no photos or recordings i am aware of. Will wait with bated breath for some playback.
__________________
Johnny. Pictured left to right, Bermuda, Weird Al, Grunt.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11-05-2013, 12:51 AM
keep it simple's Avatar
keep it simple keep it simple is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 20,836
Default Re: Wow!

Quote:
Originally Posted by GRUNTERSDAD View Post
I love hearing these stories of the past. My past was not so elegant and have no photos or recordings i am aware of. Will wait with bated breath for some playback.
Nothing elegant about my past Grunt :( Just real basic "food on the table" stuff with the very occasional highlight.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11-05-2013, 01:05 AM
bobdadruma's Avatar
bobdadruma bobdadruma is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: second measure of a fill-in
Posts: 11,176
Default Re: Wow!

Quote:
Originally Posted by keep it simple View Post
I used to earn my living as a bottom feeder session (live & recording) drummer
You mean to say that you are not still feeding on the bottom now? Boutique Drum Manufacturer... Hmmmm...
Just messing with your mind Andy, Great story :)
__________________
I kind of like old drums:)
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11-05-2013, 02:14 AM
keep it simple's Avatar
keep it simple keep it simple is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 20,836
Default Re: Wow!

Quote:
Originally Posted by bobdadruma View Post
You mean to say that you are not still feeding on the bottom now? Boutique Drum Manufacturer... Hmmmm...
Just messing with your mind Andy, Great story :)
Just below the bottom right now Bob ;) The only way to end up with $1m building high quality drums, is to start off with $2m :(
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11-05-2013, 02:45 AM
dmacc dmacc is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,575
Default Re: Wow!

This is a great story unfolding. When you say you cowrote, did you do it from the drum perspective, arrangement, or perhaps another instrument?

I have come across a few, but not many of the things I have tracked. Those I did, I migrated to digital from cassettes that took a mess of abuse. Fond memories of some of them.

Keep us posted for sure.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11-05-2013, 03:03 AM
Bo Eder's Avatar
Bo Eder Bo Eder is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Southern California
Posts: 13,844
Default Re: Wow!

That's good news! I'm sure finding the machine to play won't be all that hard. There are so many of them around just not being used anymore, right? Good luck on your quest!

It would be cool to hear some early Andy ;)
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11-05-2013, 03:13 AM
Deathmetalconga's Avatar
Deathmetalconga Deathmetalconga is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Boise, Idaho
Posts: 7,253
Default Re: Wow!

Great news! Happy for you.
__________________
Ironwood kit Tiki kit Openhanders Vids
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11-05-2013, 05:10 AM
DrumEatDrum's Avatar
DrumEatDrum DrumEatDrum is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 9,427
Default Re: Wow!

Congrats Andy!

I have some stuff (recordings, photos) that got stolen at one point. Granted, I have more than I lost, but it would still be nice to have the lost stuff too.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11-05-2013, 07:49 AM
Aeolian's Avatar
Aeolian Aeolian is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Santa Cruz CA
Posts: 2,013
Default Re: Wow!

It might be worth hunting down a professional archivist. Who knows how to dry out the tape, align a machine to it, and transfer to something else. I read about people doing this on GearSlutz, you might want to pop over there and see if there's someone in your neighborhood.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11-05-2013, 09:47 AM
keep it simple's Avatar
keep it simple keep it simple is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 20,836
Default Re: Wow!

Thanks again guys :) The fact that I have absolutely nothing from those days makes this "discovery" a real gem for me. Even my old photo's were taken, & some of those were from events that turned out to be R&R events of some note, but mostly just silly old personal memories.

As most of you old farts already know, even taking photo's was fairly unusual back in the day, & certainly, ad hoc recordings were unheard of. Now, everyone walks around with a camera & shoots away merrily without thoughts of film & developing costs. Similarly, any recording you could actually listen to was something you prepared for, not something done on the fly.
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 11-05-2013, 10:34 AM
Mad About Drums's Avatar
Mad About Drums Mad About Drums is offline
Pollyanna's Agent
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Shropshire, UK
Posts: 6,227
Default Re: Wow!

Quote:
Originally Posted by keep it simple View Post
The fact that I have absolutely nothing from those days makes this "discovery" a real gem for me...
Wow indeed Andy!!! I'm so please you find out about this old recording, it's a walk down memory lane, a bit like my "Christmas present" a couple years ago when Jimmy (RIP) sent some old recordings of my band on a CD :)

Let's hope that modern technology will enable you to put it here on the forum, good luck finding the tape player...
__________________
I'm Swissman
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 11-05-2013, 02:58 PM
Magenta's Avatar
Magenta Magenta is offline
Platinum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Gwlad Cymru
Posts: 3,208
Default Re: Wow!

Aww, that's brilliant! Stuff like that is absolutely priceless.
__________________
Thinly veiled angel

Ladies & gentlemen, I've suffered for my art. Now it's your turn (Neil Innes)
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-05-2013, 03:04 PM
The Old Hyde
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Wow!

Quote:
Originally Posted by keep it simple View Post

I used to earn my living as a bottom feeder
Not to worry Andy, I still consider you a bottom feeder.....

Nice find though really, pretty cool after all these years.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-06-2013, 03:06 AM
larryace's Avatar
larryace larryace is online now
"Uncle Larry"
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: In beautiful Bucks County, PA
Posts: 21,137
Default Re: Wow!

Old recordings are priceless. Hope to hear it sometime.
__________________
Levis/Hanes/Timberlands/Custom made socks
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are Off
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off




All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:38 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Bernhard Castiglioni's DRUMMERWORLD.com