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Old 08-20-2013, 04:01 AM
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Default The "Holy Grail" of cymbals?

Or at least this guy thinks so for the price... http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/msg/4003821365.html
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:27 AM
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Whaaaaat????
I could buy a new kit and cymbals for that price.
Plus I would like ur over compensating with something that big.
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:47 AM
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I'd swear this is at least the 3rd time that cymbals has popped up for sale.

It might be rare, but it's also abnormal, and not something most people would want. No one is going to buy it at that price.
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:03 AM
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Pretty awesome- Yes
$5000 awesome- No
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:21 AM
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Has the cymbal actually been appraised by an unbiased party or is the guy just putting that price tag on it because he thinks that's what it's worth?

I can completely understand rare items and one-offs going for a premium, so long as it's justifiable.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:41 PM
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You can buy a house for $5000 in Worcester. This may be a little overpriced.
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With that kind of $$ I can make a downpayment on one of Andy's snares :-). All kidding aside, I think someone is missing their hat in China ;-)
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:00 PM
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That thing has probably got more wash than a Maytag.

Last week it was 6 K.That seller is still smoking rubberbands ,if he thinks he's going to sell that cymbal for that kind of cash.

The current resale used resale value is around 1000 US,but if wash for days is what you seek,that's your boy.:)

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Old 08-20-2013, 04:08 PM
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That thing has probably got more wash than a Maytag.........
You don't know how much this made me laugh!
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:15 PM
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A cymbal or anything else for that matter is only 'worth' what somebody is prepared to pay for it from a selling point of view especially pre-owned.
I would't be surprised if it's still for sale this time next year!
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Old 08-20-2013, 04:16 PM
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I wonder if it would make a good crash? heh heh
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Old 08-20-2013, 05:03 PM
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A cymbal or anything else for that matter is only 'worth' what somebody is prepared to pay for it from a selling point of view especially pre-owned.
I would't be surprised if it's still for sale this time next year!
Amen brother.....I'd check back next spring,and that thing will STILL be around.

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Old 08-20-2013, 05:05 PM
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You don't know how much this made me laugh!
I actually had said that years back,about a cymbal,but it seems(wait,do cymbals have seams ?) to have resurected itself on a different forum,about a week ago.

So I borrowed it back.Glad it made you laugh.:)

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Old 08-20-2013, 05:06 PM
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With that kind of $$ I can make a downpayment on one of Andy's snares :-).
Try a whole kit!!!!!

This guy's obviously punting it out there, & you never know, it might just be the missing component to a collector's dream kit. Maybe a Soultone endorsee will trade it for a 16" crash, they're about the same value - apparently ;)
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Old 08-20-2013, 06:53 PM
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The current resale used resale value is around 1000 US,but if wash for days is what you seek,that's your boy.:)
I was thinking $300 tops.

Sure, it's a lot of cymbal, but who would really gig with it?

I'd think such a thing would only really appeal to collectors, and perhaps session players who want something really unusual in their arsenal.

It may be rare, but it's also a very limited market.
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Old 08-20-2013, 07:29 PM
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You could put some hands on it and use it a clock at a railway station.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:14 PM
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If it was a 60s/70s K, then yea you could argue that price.. maybe... but for an A, absolutely not. $600 tops.
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Old 08-21-2013, 04:38 PM
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And try buying a cymbal bag to fit it too....
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Old 08-21-2013, 06:16 PM
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If it was a 60s/70s K, then yea you could argue that price.. maybe... but for an A, absolutely not. $600 tops.
I agree. $5000 for an A, then it better be 60"!

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Old 08-21-2013, 08:56 PM
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Maybe Gavin will buy it and chop it down to a "chime"....

...a very LARGE chime...
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:24 PM
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This guy wants to sell to a collector, and collectors are the "insane clown posse" of drum buyers...I say that because I don't understand how anyone can justify spending thousands of dollars on one item...no matter how precious...and frankly, they drive up the market so that an average person like myself will never be able to own stuff like that...
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:12 PM
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This guy wants to sell to a collector, and collectors are the "insane clown posse" of drum buyers...I say that because I don't understand how anyone can justify spending thousands of dollars on one item...no matter how precious...and frankly, they drive up the market so that an average person like myself will never be able to own stuff like that...
All collectors are the "insane clown posse".?

Just because you don't understand something,dosen't give you the right, or free reign to demean and insult people that DO understand.

As far as driving up the price,we currently use a free market system,where the public decides how much to pay for an item,or what it's worth.....aside from collectors.

For your information,most collectable drum related drum and cymbal items,have,with little exception,been grossly DEVALUED,from where they were around ten years ago.

Some things naturally appreciate in value also,which has nothing what so ever to do with the "insane clown posse".

There are also a few forum members here who not only play vintage drums and cymbals,but collect them as well,such as our own Bermuda...a forum moderator.

If you want something bad enough,you'll pay whatever it takes to own that item.Nothing new there.........for centuries.

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Old 08-21-2013, 10:39 PM
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I wonder if it would make a good crash? heh heh
The thing would have to sound pretty gongy at that size, wouldn't it?
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Old 08-22-2013, 12:44 AM
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The thing would have to sound pretty gongy at that size, wouldn't it?
Grea,those 60's Zildjians of unusual size,sound quite washy and dark,as oppose to gongy,because the're pretty thin,with little stick definition.

You also get quite a lot of "wobble" when playing them.You can play it for a while,leave the room,have dinner and watch a movie,come back,and it's still vibrateing.You can actually see,the edge moving up an down,almost 20mm

They do take some time to get going though.You have to move a lot of metal.I doubt I'd play anything over a 24.It's just too much work.:)

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Old 08-22-2013, 01:46 AM
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Grea,those 60's Zildjians of unusual size,sound quite washy and dark,as oppose to gongy,because they're pretty thin, with little stick definition.

You also get quite a lot of "wobble" when playing them. You can play it for a while,leave the room,have dinner and watch a movie,come back,and it's still vibrating. You can actually see, the edge moving up an down,almost 20mm

They do take some time to get going though.You have to move a lot of metal.I doubt I'd play anything over a 24.It's just too much work.:)
Thanks Steve. You're a vintage gear ecyclopaedia. What you said reminded me of the slow motion video of Mike Mangini hitting a cymbal. I prefer not going over 20" for space.

I figured that a cymbal so large would be too washy as a ride if they were thin, hence your Maytag comment (had to Google it, I've not seen that brand here).

So that effectively makes it an effects cymbal. 5K for an effects cymbal. I imagine the seller's only hope is a collector trying to complete a series or type.
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Old 08-22-2013, 02:46 AM
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http://nh.craigslist.org/msg/3983820800.html

$6000 for that cymbal, or $1500 for this..

Poll, anyone? ;)
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:31 AM
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I knew a local sound/instrument contractor who had a vintage 30". AFAIK it was a Zildjian from Turkey. He brought it out and showed it to Ndugu Chancler when he came to town with Hubert Laws in the late 70s. He ended up playing it in the concert as his only ride.
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$6000 for that cymbal, or $1500 for this..

Poll, anyone? ;)
... and it includes "Zildjian cymbols" - what's going on with the education system!

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I knew a local sound/instrument contractor who had a vintage 30". AFAIK it was a Zildjian from Turkey. He brought it out and showed it to Ndugu Chancler when he came to town with Hubert Laws in the late 70s. He ended up playing it in the concert as his only ride.
Do you know if it was thick, thin or medium?
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:33 PM
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Do you know if it was thick, thin or medium?
Unfortunately, no. All I remember was that Ndugu's performance and the sound of the ride that night was magical.
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Old 08-22-2013, 05:08 PM
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I purchased my first new K 21inch in 1959 and use it most weekends for jazz and rock & roll. The sound is well balanced and a pleasure to use . jz.
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... and it includes "Zildjian cymbols" - what's going on with the education system!



Do you know if it was thick, thin or medium?
Grea...just a point of information.The truly accurate way to gauge the relative thickness of a cymbal of a certain model,and manufacturing process and diameter, is by actually weighing it,and using the cymbals weight in grams,to help you determine,heavy,medium,thin or paper thin.

Once you know the gram weight, then it will help you determine the relative thickness,in ratio to it's diameter.

Not all models,and makers thin crash for example ,will be the same thickness,and using gram weight will help you to gauge,just HOW thin is that thin crash.

If you take a Paiste 602 thin crash and an A Zildjian thin chash,the weight in grams may or may not be different,but most likely will be.

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Here's my holy grail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=GRpVS7w4n1E#!

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There's no question Roberto built some innovative and just beautiful,and musical sounding cymbals,

His passing left a hole in the world of cymbalsmiths ,and music as a whole.

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If you take a Paiste 602 thin crash and an A Zildjian thin crash,the weight in grams may or may not be different,but most likely will be...
Yes Steve, you're correct, however, the Paiste 602 will be very consistent while the A Zildjian will vary widely in thickness and sound.

You really need to try a lot of Zildjian cymbals (same model) until you find one that fits your ears, while the Paiste will sound almost identical.
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Henri..yes absolutely.Paiste seems to have extremely consistant cymbals in terms of sound and uniform thickness,so one 18" 602,thin crash,will pretty much sound like another 18" 602 thin. crash,with only a very slight variation.

I was in The Long Island Drum Center a few years back,which is a 5 star drum shop,and there was a "discussion" about Paiste consistancy,between an employee and a customer.

The discussion also involved the correct pronunciation of Paiste.

The employee,set up 4 Paiste 2002 18 " crashes,and it was almost like hitting the same cymbal.Subtle variation,but very consistant in sound.


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Thats a super cymbal, and for that price I think if he thinks its the HOLY GRAIL cymbal, he might as well keep it...
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It would make a large clock.
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