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Old 08-27-2011, 10:52 AM
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Here's something thats been catching my attention lately, I thought I'd share.

I'm with a drummer of some repute some evenings ago. We're shooting the breeze and having a general conversation, and the name of another well known drummer comes up. This guy says " oh yeah, him.. he's a groove player right?".

Nothing wrong with that except the tone with which it was said was like " ah, the minor league guy?"

Suddenly this triggered memories of more comments like this over the years by all kinds of drummers, some pro and some not who make a distinction between a groove drummer and a real 'drummer drummer'.

Its not that they seem to mean anything by that other that just trying to indentify a player or his playing style, but I cant help wonder if the subtext is " oh, you mean the one who doesnt have the moves?"

Its very obvious in the younger inexperienced lot, but to hear it from a pro or an experienced player when hes got his guard down is unexpected...

Is it a machismo thing? Is it a thing we all have and we just cant help it? Like the male obsession with endowment.. regardless of all the money, power, charm and humor?

( Pol you dont have to answer the last bit.. )

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Old 08-27-2011, 11:37 AM
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One way to look at it is the guy is being arrogant.

But, to play devil's advocate for a moment, to those drummers who have put in the thousands of hours of practice to develop certain skill-sets, it sometimes feels like those who haven't done so have no right to pretend as if those hours don't mean anything.

The "groove player" term in this instance is a back handed insult. What the guy is really saying is "All this guy can do is keep a basic groove".

When Tommy Igoe plays a simple groove, he is a master who has put in thousands of hours at his craft who is playing what best serves the song. When a "groove player" does it it's because it's the only thing he knows.

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Old 08-27-2011, 11:42 AM
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When Tommy Igoe plays a simple groove, he is a master who has put in thousands of hours at his craft who is playing what best serves the song. When a "groove player" does it it's because it's the only thing he knows.

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How much difference is there to the singer?
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Old 08-27-2011, 11:59 AM
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How much difference is there to the singer?
Lots when the singer hears a great drum lick off say a Led Zeppelin album and sais to me: "could you drop a fill just like that just here in this song please?".. it's happened more than once to me! Granted that's probably pretty rare, it's just our singer always has a good idea how he wants the drums to be in his songs.

Then there's the times he hears me practise something difficult quietly to myself and he suddenly shouts "yes I like that! can you play that just here".... at about 5 times the speed ;-)

Maybe he's just trying to kill me.
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:06 PM
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One way to look at it is the guy is being arrogant.

But, to play devil's advocate for a moment, to those drummers who have put in the thousands of hours of practice to develop certain skill-sets, it sometimes feels like those who haven't done so have no right to pretend as if those hours don't mean anything.

The "groove player" term in this instance is a back handed insult. What the guy is really saying is "All this guy can do is keep a basic groove".

When Tommy Igoe plays a simple groove, he is a master who has put in thousands of hours at his craft who is playing what best serves the song. When a "groove player" does it it's because it's the only thing he knows.

Big Difference.
Well said, Jeff. There's is certainly underlying arrogance here, and the reason for that perhaps is to justify or contrast it to ones own investment in skill development.

Have you run into or come across some of this ?
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:07 PM
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Singers? Who brought them into the conversation?

Honestly, I tend to see top pop singers hiring pretty badass gospel chops types. The new gen of young working pro drummers have both groove and chops. Anyone who eschews further progression on the instrument because they are a "groove" or "feel" player is probably putting themselves at a disadvantage.
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Old 08-27-2011, 12:19 PM
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Lots when the singer hears a great drum lick off say a Led Zeppelin album and sais to me: "could you drop a fill just like that just here in this song please?".. it's happened more than once to me! Granted that's probably pretty rare, it's just our singer always has a good idea how he wants the drums to be in his songs.
True, true! I've had my share of " Can you do a different kind fill here? Less of the snare roll and more of blushudha- dhish -dhish type thing? "

Talking of sIngers, Harvey Mason tells a great story of how Madonna stopped midway through a reheasal when he made a small little boo boo and annouced the fact loudly on the microphone. So ya, drummers have to have a serious A game for these pop singer gigs for sure.

PS- the second part of the story is that Harvey got his revenge when Madonna screwed up and he called her on it. As loudly. Didnt get fired. Touche'.

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Old 08-27-2011, 12:35 PM
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Nothing wrong with that except the tone with which it was said was like " ah, the minor league guy?"
Yeah, what are ya gonna do, 'cept take comments like that with a grain of salt ... and consider the source. I've met a lot of very good, very famous drummers, over the years ... and all the cats I "really" admire don't talk smack about no one.
I wonder if "the chop king" would say that to "the groove guy's" face ... I'd put money on that not happening ...
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:26 PM
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I don't see it as an insult. To me the term 'groove player' suggests a drummer whose focus is on noticeably interesting grooves, as opposed to straight 8th's and simple. And said drummer can make these grooves really groove.

'groove player' vs 'technical guy' vs 'jazzy player' (in a rock setting) vs 'double kick guy' vs 'blast beat guy' vs 'Rushy McRushpants' vs 'Phil Rudd' - they're all descriptions that conjure up different expectations of the style one plays.
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Suddenly this triggered memories of more comments like this over the years by all kinds of drummers, some pro and some not who make a distinction between a groove drummer and a real 'drummer drummer'.
Someone making a distinction between a "groove player" and a "drummer's drummer" would seem to me to be favoring the former... Depending on the tone and context I guess. The latter may imply someone who bores the arse off a non drummer!
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:12 PM
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Well, I am that groove player in the condescending version of his statement, so I get the point completely. On the other hand, he could have been handing props to the player being discussed, although you clearly picked up a "lower rank" vibe Abe.

Of course, a player who majors on groove as an artistic choice is a different animal altogether. Concentrating effort on the aspect of playing that's used 90%+ of the time makes complete sense to me. Beyond that, the groove specialist, the guy who takes groove innovation to another level, sits at the top of the tree IMO.

Context is everything. One person's "one trick pony" is another person's "specialist". My take is, as long as the player is making great music, & even better, enjoying themselves on the way, then all's cool. I often think it's players who feel the need appropriate labels & status are the ones with the insecurity chip on their shoulder.
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Old 08-27-2011, 04:37 PM
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I'm with a drummer of some repute some evenings ago. We're shooting the breeze and having a general conversation, and the name of another well known drummer comes up. This guy says " oh yeah, him.. he's a groove player right?".

Nothing wrong with that except the tone with which it was said was like " ah, the minor league guy?"

... a groove drummer and a real 'drummer drummer'.

... " oh, you mean the one who doesnt have the moves?"
As a simple timekeeping player the "minor league" and "doesn't have the moves" a fair comments. I am and I don't.

So I have zero problems with the guy who said it ... the description "groove player" is probably useful when deciding who's best for what kind of gig. Horses for courses.

If the guy who said it is putting the "groove player" on a lower echelon than he sees himself at, that's his right. However, his view won't doesn't carry the same weight of a bandleader and/or producer.(or vocalist, as Boomka said) when it comes to getting gigs.

Probably a bit of macho in there too. Hotshot pro drummer ... macho ... I'm not seeing a problem :)


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One person's "one trick pony" is another person's "specialist". My take is, as long as the player is making great music, & even better, enjoying themselves on the way, then all's cool. I often think it's players who feel the need appropriate labels & status are the ones with the insecurity chip on their shoulder.
Agree with the first two sentences 100% - very good comments. I think the last sentence is not right, though. Chances are he's just a bit competitive, which as Matt has often pointed out, is a helpful attribute to have in a tight scene where there are tons of terrific drummers competing for not so many gigs.
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I think it makes perfect sense. Not that I agree with it but isn't that the arguement about Ringo. No flash, no 10 drums, no yellow suit. Just a groove player. That is the job by the way. TV, the internet, has turned all music into a show these days. The music isn't enough. You need flash, tattoos, no shirt, long hair...or you are just a groove player.
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Agree with the first two sentences 100% - very good comments. I think the last sentence is not right, though. Chances are he's just a bit competitive, which as Matt has often pointed out, is a helpful attribute to have in a tight scene where there are tons of terrific drummers competing for not so many gigs.
Agreed Pol, but I'm going to take that as a reinforcement of my point. A degree of competitiveness is fine, that's the world we all live in, no matter how much we'd like to deny it, but feeling the need to degrade another player in that context is a sign of insecurity. A player who's totally confident in their standing, doesn't need to reinforce that by placing someone in a negative light, no matter how tactfully it's delivered.

There's an absolute distinction between feeling the need to be negative about someone else, & taking the opportunity to be positive about your own abilities. The first comes from a position of insecurity, the latter comes from a position of confidence.
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... A degree of competitiveness is fine, that's the world we all live in, no matter how much we'd like to deny it, but feeling the need to degrade another player in that context is a sign of insecurity. A player who's totally confident in their standing, doesn't need to reinforce that by placing someone in a negative light, no matter how tactfully it's delivered.

There's an absolute distinction between feeling the need to be negative about someone else, & taking the opportunity to be positive about your own abilities. The first comes from a position of insecurity, the latter comes from a position of confidence.
Sure, maybe there's a touch of insecurity that came out in that brief moment - and maybe the insecurity comes from such a tight gigging scene. For all we know, he might have lost a gig to a groove player where he felt he could have done a better job and it stuck in his craw.

I can understand the feeling that Jeff described, where someone makes an effort to take their artistry to another level would like it acknowledged. In the end, though, the biggest reward for someone taking the time to build great skills comes from within more than from outside ... when they sit down and everything hums along sweetly right from bar one.

That kind of reward is almost enough to get me pulling my finger out and tapping the practice pad more than the bloody keyboard ...
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One of the feelings I get about Dennis Chambers these days is that he is no longer excited about the flash of being a drummer's drummer, and sees the musicality and nuanced listening of being able to support a band as the primary role of a musician. Being able to lay down a great groove and deep pocket is probably the highest praise you can give a drummer. Inexperienced drummers talk about speed. Experienced drummers talk about groove and pocket.
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Is it a machismo thing?
Well, the scared-___less high school machismo that persists in a lot of adults, maybe? I'm always a little surprised when I see similar petty attitudes from successful people- the insecurity and jealousy issues of some these people can be pretty shocking. I don't know how else you account for little CS digs like that.

I guess when I think groove player I think Jim Keltner, or Zigaboo Modeliste, and obviously the idea of "better than" them is absurd- there is no such thing. So it's hard for me understand using it as a slam- maybe Stan Lynch without the gig, the fame, and the talent.
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In my experience with non pro drummers, the majority think they are much more awesome than they really are. How would you respond to this:

I see an amateur drummer at an open mic, and he doesn't do a very good job while he's up there, tempo is wrong, wrong feel, he's not reading anyone's body language and is missing things. Others were trying, by their body language, to get him to lay it back a little, which he didn't pick up on.

So I am talking with him afterwards, watching another (IMO) much better drummer. So the first guy is downing the guy playing, saying..."he has no left foot". I defended the guy playing, just a little by saying, "I like the way Spanky plays", not wanting to tell him he was way worse.

I think a lot of drummers delude themselves.

Some think they are better than others when they aren't, some think their own playing is better than it really is. I definitely see superior attitudes way too much. Not many amateur drummers are truly humble. I don't get to talk to any pro drummers to comment there, but I think most guys starting out think they are all that when they aren't. I too suffered from these attitudes in the past but ever since I joined DW, it has done wonders in every aspect of my playing including my attitude towards others and being honest with myself too.

It's hard to critique another drummers work without coming off as superior. It's more in the tone, not as much the words. Like if Abe's friend had glowingly labeled the guy a groove drummer, just by the tone of his voice, the whole meaning of what he said changes.
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Good point! believe it or not - Phil Rudd is one of them strong groove drummers.

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Straight shooter...I like that!

I will add - that some experienced drummers are not truly humble as well.

I am not an expert as some of you drumming gurus. But some of these kids doing this extreme fantastic stuff trying to reach the speed of sound or maybe light...to me its like an exercise, I donít see the real music in it. Itís purely acrobatics and show business.

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Well, the scared-___less high school machismo that persists in a lot of adults, maybe? I'm always a little surprised when I see similar petty attitudes from successful people- the insecurity and jealousy issues of some these people can be pretty shocking. I don't know how else you account for little CS digs like that.

I guess when I think groove player I think Jim Keltner, or Zigaboo Modeliste, and obviously the idea of "better than" them is absurd- there is no such thing. So it's hard for me understand using it as a slam- maybe Stan Lynch without the gig, the fame, and the talent.
Yeah, you do see it outside of music as well, I guess. Its competitiveness gone a little wonky as Pol said at one end and the point Jeff made earlier about people who have put in more work wanting to feel just a little bit taller than a one trick pony with a limited repertoire, awesome as he might be.

Humility is usually a good indicator of self confidence and comfort within one's own skin.

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I've always held a bit of disdain for the 'groove is essential' attitude. However, the same is true for the 'chops are essential' attitude as well.

My favorite drummer is Steve Gadd, and he's my favorite drummer for a reason. He's in the middle, and thus satisfies every need. You can't play just that one beat the whole time and expect to get much notice.
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Humility is usually a good indicator of self confidence and comfort within one's own skin.

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Great quote there Abe, I likey.....very true.
Isn't it curious that humility and humiliation are 2 different things. They are, right?
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That occurred to me recently, that they must share a common root...I suppose being humiliated is having humility forced on you, isn't it?
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That occurred to me recently, that they must share a common root...I suppose being humiliated is having humility forced on you, isn't it?
The Latin word humilis - low, humble, from the earth/ground (humus)

But humble drummers aren't necessarily humdrum :)
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Kind of a strange conversation Abe had.

I've met/talked to/know many pros, and for the most part, even if they have a huge ego about their place in the world, they are pretty humble about abilities, and usually only have nice things to say about other pros, regardless of ability or stature. Even most of the chops guys know that playing 2 and 4 is how they get most of their professional work.

But there are always those few exceptions. Who knows, maybe the other guy got a gig the first guy wanted, and has some bitter feelings.
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Kind of a strange conversation Abe had.

I've met/talked to/know many pros, and for the most part, even if they have a huge ego about their place in the world, they are pretty humble about abilities, and usually only have nice things to say about other pros, regardless of ability or stature. Even most of the chops guys know that playing 2 and 4 is how they get most of their professional work.

But there are always those few exceptions. Who knows, maybe the other guy got a gig the first guy wanted, and has some bitter feelings.
He said it like he was trying to identify him, like " oh you mean the guy who plays the red fender" or " the girl who sings all those ballads" Its the tone that said " you mean the guy who plays a nice groove but cant do much else"

Its not jealousy either because this guy's just got the biggest gig of life and touring internationlally while the other guy is just a club player.

Point is while you are right, most of the good ones are usually very generous and diplomatic about the abilities of others, there's this 'nice drummer with limited skills' undercurrent that one keeps hearing every now and then.


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But humble drummers aren't necessarily humdrum :)
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OK guys, I'm going to let you in on a little secret:

They all talk smack about each other.

I have studied with/known a laundry list of top players and teachers. The only guys that didn't say anything negative about other players were Rod Morgenstein and Mike Mangini.

Everyone else had something bad to say about another pro, sometimes ALOT. Some of these guys hate each other. I had one teacher tell me that a legendary jazz drummer was gay and in the closet. Calling someone a "groove player" is nothing compared to that stuff.

Sometimes its just vastly different personalities clashing. Sometimes its jealousy, sometimes the guy is just a jerk. Being great in one field does NOT automatically mean that that greatness carries over into other life areas.

They are an insecure lot. Sorry to just throw it out as such but, in my experience, it is true.
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Most drummers I talk to tend to agree that talking smack about another drummer is a bad bad idea. It's simply " not done ". At the same time though we're obviously constantly judging each other. We're just keeping it to ourselves.

Unless of course someone actually asks me for my opinion. Then I'll try to voice my opinion as objectively as possible. Though I always feel weird about this as I know I can barely play the drums myself.

As far as " groove drumming " is concerned I really don't understand the issue. Playing with groove requires tons uppon tons of practice and also requires chops. I have never heard a good, groovy drummer that did not have a ton of chops. Guys like Bernard Purdie and Steve Jordan can really lay down a groove but are also able to blast out some mind bending fills.
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