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Old 01-25-2010, 09:06 AM
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Hey Gavin, we had a small outdoors gig yesterday, and even though I knew while we were playing that it wasn't going great, once I heard the recording, I just went almost suicidal at all the rhythmic mistakes I was making. I mean, my normal playing sounded awkward, and while I nailed some of the fills, I messed up a lot of the details and small variations. I am generally VERY picky with other people's tightness and my own, and can spot mistakes and inconsistencies quite easily, so I was surprised I didn't realise at how untight some of the stuff was coming out while playing, and only after listening to the recording. My question is, how is it possible that if I *know* how it is and can spot the mistake (the sound was OK, again, these were mostly rhythmic mistakes, the timing didn't sound clean), I get it wrong in the execution? And so often, I think there wasn't *one* song in which I could say: "Well, alright, this was flawless" (or even tight/relatively clean). I hope the long paragraph is not confusing and you understand what I'm trying to ask, because I think I've only heard you mess up once or twice in all the live footage I've seen of your playing, and it was *small*, so you clearly know how to get your stuff right live.
Thanks for taking the time to read and hope you have some advice.


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Old 01-26-2010, 12:49 AM
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Hi Gavin, first off I have to tell you I'm a huge fan of PT and you drumming. It's all very inspiring stuff. My question relates to drumming. I had a lesson a while back when I was in a bit of a drumming slump or crossroads you could say. I felt I needed a bit of guidance as to which direction I should go to move forward as a musician. My teacher, a professional of almost 40 years, suggested I focus on finger control and technique along with advanced independence and jazz stuff. I'm having a bit of difficulty with these concepts and was wondering if you experienced this situation when you were younger and what may have helped you to get through it. Thanks
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Old 01-26-2010, 11:44 AM
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Hi Fox622003

Hey Gavin, we had a small outdoors gig yesterday, and even though I knew while we were playing that it wasn't going great, once I heard the recording, I just went almost suicidal at all the rhythmic mistakes I was making.

Yes I'm familiar with that feeling. I used to record EVERY gig I played (on a little Sony Walkman) and then spend the next day analyzing it. Same thing with practise sessions - It's a hard lesson but worth doing if you want to improve. It's important that you hear what you really sound like - as opposed to how you think you sound whilst you're playing. It's really hard to hear those errors whilst you're actually playing - you just need to listen in a different way.

Hi Adam8

I had a lesson a while back when I was in a bit of a drumming slump or crossroads you could say. I felt I needed a bit of guidance as to which direction I should go to move forward as a musician. My teacher, a professional of almost 40 years, suggested I focus on finger control and technique along with advanced independence and jazz stuff. I'm having a bit of difficulty with these concepts and was wondering if you experienced this situation when you were younger and what may have helped you to get through it.

My teachers would suggest all sorts of things that I should be doing - but I respected their wisdom and just got on with it. Actually I was happy to play and practise anything that was a challenge.

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Old 01-26-2010, 05:35 PM
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Hi Gavin.

While watching the interview at Drum Department posted on the PT MySpace page, I noticed again, how good your double bass playing is. It might be not the Panthera-like playing style (as we all know, actually), but it's as subtle as it is "fast" in its own right.

As you can tell by my nickname, I'm coming from the old prog-like era, and started serious listening with Pink Floyd (even I'm only 20...). So, when it comes to playing, if it's in a jazz cover band or my own band, I'm not a brilliant double bass player as well.

At what age did you develope most of your double bass-style? When did you first got a double bass pedal? And, finally - any tips? I remember, I've read somewhere, that you practice still a lot for your left foot.

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Old 01-27-2010, 06:40 AM
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Hi there Gavin,

Please excuse me if you've already announced/been asked this, but are there plans to do any in-store appearances or clinics while on PT's tour of Australia next week? Either by yourself or with the rest of the band?

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Old 01-27-2010, 11:46 AM
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Hi Gavin,

I received your new dvd/book a few days ago.

Congratulations to you & Terry !

It’s really helpful to see you playing and explaining all these grooves. The “bonus” are great too. And so many transcriptions, it’s like heaven to me…!
So, thanks for doing this.

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Old 01-27-2010, 07:38 PM
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Hi crimsonfloyd

At what age did you develope most of your double bass-style? When did you first got a double bass pedal? And, finally - any tips? I remember, I've read somewhere, that you practice still a lot for your left foot.

I'm still developing it now. I used to have two bass drums back in the early 1980's and then in 1984 I bought the first DW double pedal - so then I gave up with the two bass drums. I was always trying to get them to sound the same anyway (which they never did).
I tried practising along to records and seeing what I could think of to play on them. I never liked the continuous 16ths thing - so I was looking for broken up patterns based on 2,3,4 or 5 notes in a row. I always lead with my right foot - no matter where the pattern starts and always played singles. My goal has always been "control & accuracy" - I was never interested in going fast.

Hi massive prog fan

Please excuse me if you've already announced/been asked this, but are there plans to do any in-store appearances or clinics while on PT's tour of Australia next week? Either by yourself or with the rest of the band?


Not as far as I know at this moment.

Hi Alex P.

I received your new dvd/book a few days ago.
Congratulations to you & Terry !


many thanks - we worked really hard on it.

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Old 01-27-2010, 08:26 PM
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Hi Gavin!

I have a question about the pre-recorded audio you use in PT shows...
What is the system you use to trigger the audio and how is it organized? Do you have each individual audio track from the song playing or do you make a stereo track of everything you need? Do you have one huge session for the entire show or each song on the concert has a different Protools/Logic/whatever session?

If you could please describe how you guys do it in PT, I would love to know about it!

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Old 01-28-2010, 02:43 AM
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I always lead with my right foot - no matter where the pattern starts and always played doubles.
Do you mean singles?
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Old 01-28-2010, 11:08 AM
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Hi Heitor

What is the system you use to trigger the audio and how is it organized? Do you have each individual audio track from the song playing or do you make a stereo track of everything you need? Do you have one huge session for the entire show or each song on the concert has a different Protools/Logic/whatever session?

We use Logic on a MacBook Pro. There is control over individual tracks - rather than a stereo mix. You can make a mix at home but find that it doesn't work well in a venue through a massive PA - so you need separate control. The whole show needs to be in one huge song because there isn't time to load new songs during the concert. Each song is just a block of audio - with a marker at the start of it. Then you just name each marker with the name of the song - and have the marker list open all the time - so that's how you can jump very quickly from song to song.

Hi ahector,

yes you're right - I meant singles. (I've corrected it now).

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Old 01-28-2010, 03:14 PM
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Gavin,

Should I have received your new dvd by now if I pre ordered via Burning Shed ? Its been maybe 3 weeks since I placed the order.

Thanks and looking forward to learning something new.
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Old 01-28-2010, 03:55 PM
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Hi Liquid_Drummer,

the books are shipping today. We had a lot of delays getting them into the UK - thanks for hanging on.

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Old 01-28-2010, 08:53 PM
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Hello there,
Went to see PT inMadrid last month (because Stickmen were opening) and I had my socks blown off by YOU!!!
Dang you hit those babies really hard!
I was about 60 feet away from the stage and I could hear the direct sound when you hit the toms , not thru the PA...
I am a Stick /Bass player who has had a Yamaha edrumset for a couple of years now, so I know how difficult what you do really is.

My question is ..are you a Taurus? Just curious.

Thanks!
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Old 01-28-2010, 10:44 PM
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Hi kap'n krunch,

glad you enjoyed the show. I'm a Gemini by the way.

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Old 01-29-2010, 07:25 AM
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Hey Gavin,

can you tell me when shipping in Germany will be?
I wanted to order it, but it's not available.



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Old 01-29-2010, 12:46 PM
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Hi Kalma,

it is now in stock and signed copies can be sent to Germany (or anywhere else) from http://www.burningshed.com/store/gavinharrison/

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Old 01-29-2010, 09:22 PM
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it is now in stock and signed copies can be sent to Germany (or anywhere else) from http://www.burningshed.com/store/gavinharrison/

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Gavin,

I watched a recent interview where it had you behind your kit in segments playing and even doing some tuning. I remember you said you were looking for the one lug that slips a bit overnight.

You said that you have to change your heads very often and that you go through a lot of sticks. Jazz and moeller guys tell me that if I am denting heads and breaking sticks that my technique and "getting out of the way" (letting the rebound do more work) needs attention. Have you ever felt that you needed to work on these things ? I did notice after about two years of retraining my grip that sticks and heads to last longer but more importantly it takes less effort to play harder.

Just curious what your feelings are about this line of thinking with hand technique ? I notice that I still have my pinky fingers sticking out when I play no matter how much I have tried to reel them in.

Do you go through sticks and heads just because you hit hard or do you think your not getting out of the way like the jazz and moeller guys preach ?

Not questioning your technique as your playing speaks for itself.
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Old 01-30-2010, 01:08 AM
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I still have my pinky fingers sticking out when I play no matter how much I have tried to reel them in.
Well, as an outside spectator, I instantly like the playing of drummers that don't tuck their fingers in a lot less, because in most cases, it messes up the sound of what they are playing, one of the only exceptions being Multiple Bounce Rolls, but even then, it just looks bad / makes you look like a beginner, even if you're playing decently, in my opinion. I can't really play doubles properly (or even good singles) without having all my fingers tucked in. So, maybe before focusing on the breaking issue, you might want to take it slowly and incorporate having all your fingers on the stick at all times in your playing.
Well, Gavin will most likely have good advice on the breaking stuff part.
Hope this helps.


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Old 01-30-2010, 03:37 AM
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Liquid Drummer, gavin hits very very hard, in a recent post there was a picture of his snare drum head after the show and it wasnt looking to healthy at all.

Gavin any hints on the sydney setlist?
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Old 01-30-2010, 12:54 PM
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Hi Liquid_Drummer

Jazz and moeller guys tell me that if I am denting heads and breaking sticks that my technique and "getting out of the way" (letting the rebound do more work) needs attention. Have you ever felt that you needed to work on these things ?Just curious what your feelings are about this line of thinking with hand technique ?

It's an interesting question. I've looked at moeller a few times in the past and never really felt it was for me. I know when I played jazz and grew up playing jazz that I would play with something like a 7A stick and hardly even needed to bother putting the top of the cymbal felts and nuts on as I played about 10% of the volume that I play with PT now (with "Vic Firth Rock" sticks). Plus my drums were tuned a lot higher then and it was possible to play double stroke rolls on the toms. With the sound I get now on my toms it's almost impossible to play double stroke rolls on them apart from the very smallest tom. Plus I like to rimshot the snare drum (something I probably wouldn't do in Jazz) and to get the sound I want I need to hit it reasonably firmly.
It was quite often the case that playing in jazz situations meant that there was an un-mic'd piano and un-amplified double bass - so playing loud was unsuitable and unmusical - I needed to balance myself with the other guys in the group acoustically.
I guess the situation I'm in now is more akin to a studio monitoring setup where we can pretty much play at any volume and adjust what we're hearing in our in-ear headphones.

In PT I choose to play at that kind of volume/aggression level because emotionally it feels right to me in a concert situation. I hit the drums and cymbals hard but not to the point where I think the sound is suffering or choking. At home in my studio when I play the stuff with 05Ric (for instance) I play about 50% of that volume - and use 5A Extreme.

I'm not claiming that I have good technique - or even a correct grip (I hold the sticks right at the extreme of the butt end and it's a different grip between the hands) - and probably it's evolving slowly over the years. It just works for me for what I'm trying to do now - but I'm always open to ideas that could improve it.

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Old 01-30-2010, 02:14 PM
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Hi Gavin,

you made a very interesting interview in Germany last year. Very inspiring words, i think! Thank you for the insight. The natural drumsound still through the cam-mic is great!

http://www.drumdepartment.de/content...ideo.php?id=10

One specific question about a so famous Drumfill/-pattern, you use so perfect. It´s the one at 0:56 and always starting with a Floor Tom or a Tom, followed by Snare and is often played over the whole kit and repeated in very high tempo.

So i always thought it's a group of 5 played as: R LRLR or R LRRL (bold means accents)

I tried it over and over, but cannot get it done, sounding smooth and with that particular fine Snarerustle (i hope you know what i mean). How do you group it and do you play them as singles without rebound (full stroke) or with a mixture of doubles and rebound? I play it as singles - maybe that's the problem or i'm to slow/technique is too bad. ;-)
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Old 01-30-2010, 04:49 PM
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Hi Gavin thanks for the book/DVD package, really great thanks. And thanks for signing it :)

Cheers, Phil.
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Old 01-31-2010, 04:11 PM
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Hi ilikedrums

http://www.drumdepartment.de/content...ideo.php?id=10

One specific question about a so famous Drumfill/-pattern, you use so perfect. It´s the one at 0:56 and always starting with a Floor Tom or a Tom, followed by Snare and is often played over the whole kit and repeated in very high tempo.
So i always thought it's a group of 5 played as: R LRLR or R LRRL (bold means accents)


there's so many things going on around 0:56 I can't understand which fill you mean exactly. BUT I can say if there's groups of five then I'm quite confident it will be RLRRL.

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Hi Gavin,

Great Interview from drumdepartment!! I have a question, about different grip in both hands, it does affect the balance of the drummer? I think every drummer uses a different grip in both hands as a natural way to hold the sticks and to feel comfortable, but it's a goal to hold your sticks the same way in both hands?
One last question, I've heard cold weather affects the sticks, I was wondering, the weather affects the sound of your drums?

Greetings from Ecuador

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there's so many things going on around 0:56 I can't understand which fill you mean exactly. BUT I can say if there's groups of five then I'm quite confident it will be RLRRL.

cheers
Gavin
I thank you for the input, Sir! That makes sense to me.

The Pattern i meant is (at the end of 0:56): R (15" Floor Tom) LRRL (all 4 on Snare - sounds like a roll).

Often it's played in a classic combination of three: RLRRL RLRRL RLRRLRRL

On the other hand, sometimes it sounds like a group of six; so it would be:

RLRRLL RLRRLL RLRRLRRLL

I will try them these days ;-).
Cheers and best regards!

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Old 01-31-2010, 09:59 PM
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Nice and inspiring interview, great insights Gavin, thank you!
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Old 02-01-2010, 06:02 PM
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Gavin, how are you? Thanks for the book/DVD, I'm enjoying it very much.

How do you tune the bottom head of your toms, compared to the top? Could you give an approximate interval aswell please :)

Thanks a lot, Phil.
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:28 PM
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Hi Gavin..
Just took the GIANT step from beeing an edrummer and bought me an acoustic set (just ordered a 8" rack tom too). Since acoustic drums dont come ready tuned as edrums do I was really curious regarding tuning, found this really hard so here is my question.. How do you tune your drums, do you use a tensionwatch or just "magic touch"?
Thanks for beeing a big inspiration, and i am waiting for your book.. Just been sent from "Burning Shed"..
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"FAQ www.askgavinharrison.com" is at the bottom of each and every one of Gavin's posts.

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Hi Gavin,
I received Rhythmic Designs last week and I must say it is really, really good, Hats off to all involved.
My question is not related directly to the Dvd, more something I noticed.
You don't seem to have a S-hoop on your 14" floor?
Have I not seen it clearly? And if you haven't is there a particular reason for this?
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Old 02-04-2010, 05:32 AM
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Hi Crimson Redrum

I have a question, about different grip in both hands, it does affect the balance of the drummer? I think every drummer uses a different grip in both hands as a natural way to hold the sticks and to feel comfortable, but it's a goal to hold your sticks the same way in both hands?


Ideally speaking if you play matched grip - then you should hold the sticks exactly the same way. I probably thought I was originally doing that but it's kind of mutated over the years.

One last question, I've heard cold weather affects the sticks, I was wondering, the weather affects the sound of your drums?

I've never experienced that. What kind of temperatures are you talking about? minus 50?

Hi Phil Brodermann

How do you tune the bottom head of your toms, compared to the top? Could you give an approximate interval aswell please :)


I know that the bottoms are tighter than the tops but I'm not near my drums right now so I can't tell you exactly. They aren't tuned specifically anyway.

Hi Dom Chandler

My question is not related directly to the Dvd, more something I noticed.
You don't seem to have a S-hoop on your 14" floor?


That's because it's a 15" floor tom and I didn't get an S-Hoop for it yet - I think they have only just started making a 15" recently.

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G'day gavin, glad your enjoying being in the country, just curious on a few things, it says porcupine tree and special guests on my sydney ticket. do you have support for the gig and if so who? and also i get into sydney at 5 on saturday i was just wondering what are your up to for the day? itd be awesome if we could catch up at some stage
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Hi Gavin. Welcome to Australia.

I hope it doesn't get too hot while you're here. I heard MUSE nearly died at the Big Day Out.

I'll be coming with 2 of my younger students to the Sydney show. You've been a great inspiration to them so thanks.

I have a question also. How has Sonor been with touring? Do you get what you need? I've heard some bad reports.

Cheers. Wy
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Hi Gavin,
What are the chances of hearing your toms without any eq'ing so we can hear what you hear when you hit them ,to me you have the best drum sound in the world. Ive watched tuning dvd's and every video on tuning i can find but they never actually sound anything like real drums there always eq'ed to hell i know they have to compress the sound for vids so there of no real help. If i could hear what your drums sound like before Eq'ing it might give me a fighting chance of getting a sound similar to yours on finished recordings cos ive spent months doing an 8th of a turn here and an 8th of a turn there but just cant seem to get the sound im after. any help you give would be greatly appreciated. thanks Ants. p.s. i use emporer coated on top and ambassador clear for reso's and my toms are 12" and 16".
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Old 02-04-2010, 03:33 PM
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Hi Hurlza

G'day gavin, glad your enjoying being in the country, just curious on a few things, it says porcupine tree and special guests on my sydney ticket. do you have support for the gig and if so who? and also i get into sydney at 5 on saturday i was just wondering what are your up to for the day?

The support band in Sydney is "Sleep Parade". I know we've got a busy schedule that day though so I don't have a lot of hope for a meeting - sorry.

Hi wy yung

How has Sonor been with touring? Do you get what you need? I've heard some bad reports.


Sonor have been great to me. These days I usually have one of my kits with me on the road and it's pretty strong so I don't really have any problems with it. If I ever need something they get it to me pretty fast via the local distributor.

Hi -Ants-

What are the chances of hearing your toms without any eq'ing so we can hear what you hear when you hit them. If i could hear what your drums sound like before Eq'ing it might give me a fighting chance,

There's some clips of my drums without eq coming straight off the mic on the camera here..
http://www.drumdepartment.de/content...video.php?id=9
http://www.drumdepartment.de/content...ideo.php?id=10

the camera is adding some of it's own compression - but most cameras do but you can hear what the drums sound like from a distance with no eq on.

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thanks gavin your a true gent,
great interview by the way love your idea on the click,who wants to be counting bars,
ill never get the same sound with pearl exr's but ill give it a good go
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Hi Gavin!!

Thanks for your answers, how do you deal with the relation touring-time zones? how long does it take to feel comfortable? Being a professional drummer it is something you have to deal with, but have you ever experienced a gig where you´re feeling sleepy?
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Hey there Gavin! Just want to start off by thanking you for taking all the time you have to answer questions for us here! There really is a wealth of information in this thread, I could dig through it for hours haha!

So, I have one question. Any plans to go anywhere near Phoenix, Arizona on the second NA leg of the Porcupine Tree tour? You guys were unbelievable at the Warfield in San Francisco.

I'm also digging the tracks you put down on Ed Poole's new album, you've gotta be one of the tastiest drummers out there! Really dug the modulation bit at about 1:27 in Smoulder, quite creative.

Thanks again, hope to hear from you soon!
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Hi Gavin, i've received yesterday "Rhythmic designs". Nice job. Terry Branam is an exceptional transcriber! Now i'll work on it. Thank you!
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Gavin just got the book and DVD in today and I must say you and Terry did a phenomenal job. Also I love the variety of watching you play the tracks and trying to "learn" them or playing the drum less tracks will also be a lot of fun to create some drum parts of my own. Anyways keeping it short its a great package man awesome job.
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