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Old 06-10-2016, 07:40 AM
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I've been a big fan of Vinnie ever since I saw him playing on what I think was the 1993 Zildjian Day video.

My music taste doesn't really include a lot of the artists he plays with, but I am a BIG fan of his work with Karizma/David Garfield. The grooves he plays just really hit the spot with me!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnBmZ6njbqk

But don't forget, Vinnie has played on hundreds of albums. Chances are you've heard him somewhere you didn't expect and didn't even know it was him.
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Old 06-10-2016, 08:01 AM
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I might sound ignorant, but I really cannot understand all that VC praise everywhere. Sure, he is a good drummer and did some good things with Sting (although not the Police cover-stuff. Sorry, no. His drumming doesn't fit there IMHO) e.g.. But quite often, his drumming sounded to me overly complex and was too much "in your face". A drummer drumming for himself, not keen on elevating the music, that is the impression that he instilled in me during all those past years.

Maybe I am just too stupid to recognize what the fuzz is all about. Maybe, my musical education went simply another path than that of the people who love to listen to him. I don't know. But since years I am trying to understand what would/could be so fascinating about him. I don't feel the magic. When I saw him playing with Chick Corea e.g, I always had the impression that he could only play loud and fast. Absolutely not musical at all. For me, he deadened the other instruments, killed the harmony of the songs. So..., with all due respect to what he has accomplished, IMHO he gets too much praise. Sure, important drummer, lots of credits. But for me definitely not as good as people say he is. But the same happens with Jack DeJohnette. Similar thing: Always overdoes things IMO and kills the music IMHO. I don't get the magic there, too.

Is there a chance that I might change my opinion? What should I listen to? After years of searching for the answer and listening to Zappa (don't like it), Sting and his drum-solos (on Yt), I am lost...

*scratch my head*

Maybe in order to understand my "musical thinking" I'll list some drummers, whose style I like. Maybe it helps in finding an answer: Joe Morello, Manu Katché, Steve Gadd, Adam Deitch, Karl Brazil, Ash Soan, Peter Erskine, Clyde Stubblefield, Steve Jordan, Art Blakey, Pete York, Zigaboo Modeliste,...
Personally, I don't know what the big deal here is. If you don't like how he plays or what he plays, that's ok. You don't have to listen. People have these arguments about "why is this guy considered good?" All the time. I'm not a huge fan of Pearts playing, but I thoroughly enjoy the work he does with Rush. In fact, David Garibaldi said it best, and I paraphrase, "Being a studio cat is a totally different thing, and I wasn't being accepted in that clique". So to be able to be all things to more people than a successful band really says something.

And as far as studio guys go, nobody seems to notice people like Larry Bunker, Joe Porcaro, or Harvey Mason. Apparently, there's a plethora of incredible players that do all the work on both coasts, and we're gonna argue about Vinnie?

It's cool. There's just so much good music out there, you can like what you like without ever finding the time to get bugged about one guy. Although there's a lot of stuff Vinnie is on that I liked, the cool Vinnie album for me was Robben Ford's Talk to Your Daughter album, he laid down the groove perfectly, and there was no apparent Vinnie-ness.
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Old 06-10-2016, 10:22 AM
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Have you heard Gino Vannelli's "Nightwalker" record? Or Joni Mitchell's "Wild Things Run Fast" record? Both of those are excellent examples of perfect drumming in a pop context with overtones of sick dexterity.
No, haven't heard them. Will give them a try. Thnx.
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Old 06-10-2016, 10:28 AM
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P... In fact, David Garibaldi said it best, and I paraphrase, "Being a studio cat is a totally different thing, and I wasn't being accepted in that clique". So to be able to be all things to more people than a successful band really says something.
Well spoken. Most studio-drummers are awesome but only a few people know of them. E.g. Ash Soan, whom I mentioned before. One of the best drummers I have ever seen and he was pretty unkown until recently, although he worked with the who is who of the music industry for years. (He gets some attention now... finally).

Thanks for your album suggestion. Will take a look at that one, too.
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Old 06-10-2016, 03:55 PM
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Although there's a lot of stuff Vinnie is on that I liked, the cool Vinnie album for me was Robben Ford's Talk to Your Daughter album, he laid down the groove perfectly, and there was no apparent Vinnie-ness.
...talking of which Toss Panos.. Robben's go to guy - now thats a drummer to admire. Love his playing..


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Old 06-10-2016, 10:48 PM
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No, haven't heard them. Will give them a try. Thnx.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toVk4_-jv-U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQRyqo9fGfo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRv73_B7sVI

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Old 06-11-2016, 02:31 AM
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Well, Vinnie is everything in one drummer. He can play some tasty/creative/musical part in every situation, making that part shine more.
Here is one example in a soul/funk feel.
The fill in 0:15 is gold for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jrm3fN740w

Grooving here with that unbeatable touch, finesse and power...
https://youtu.be/DNURfyfx72k?t=14m56s
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Old 06-11-2016, 02:37 AM
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I couldn´t resist and I edited the Gretsch Unboxing video, capturing some grooves that I could listen for days.
Vinnie plays many of them only one bar long, as if a cascade of groove creativity comes (his normal state) and I edited them...
My favourite is Groove 3 (Million Dollar Tom Note) and Groove 6 (Bonham in the House)
I enjoyed a lot doing this.
Vinnie for President !!

The Unboxing grooves here:
https://youtu.be/lcs5FvQe41s
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Old 06-11-2016, 08:59 AM
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I couldn´t resist and I edited the Gretsch Unboxing video, capturing some grooves that I could listen for days.
Vinnie plays many of them only one bar long, as if a cascade of groove creativity comes (his normal state) and I edited them...
My favourite is Groove 3 (Million Dollar Tom Note) and Groove 6 (Bonham in the House)
I enjoyed a lot doing this.
Vinnie for President !!

The Unboxing grooves here:
https://youtu.be/lcs5FvQe41s
That was great, thank you for sharing!
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Old 06-11-2016, 04:49 PM
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I couldn´t resist and I edited the Gretsch Unboxing video, capturing some grooves that I could listen for days.
Vinnie plays many of them only one bar long, as if a cascade of groove creativity comes (his normal state) and I edited them...
My favourite is Groove 3 (Million Dollar Tom Note) and Groove 6 (Bonham in the House)
I enjoyed a lot doing this.
Vinnie for President !!

The Unboxing grooves here:
https://youtu.be/lcs5FvQe41s
Juan , you are a genius!
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Old 06-12-2016, 01:00 AM
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Juan , you are a genius!
I've got to Second(!) that genius comment! You took the coolest bits and made them even cooler!
Thanks for taking the time to do that!

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Old 06-12-2016, 09:58 AM
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Vinnie a flashy drummer?

To me it's very simple.

He has better time and control than anybody, is as stylistically diverse as they come and an improvising musician with great dynamic range.
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:44 PM
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Idea for an awesome ring tone would be when Vinne says: "Silver Sealer!"

Wish I had the technical expertise to do it.

Vinnie is awesome. Those drums are great. Love the colour.
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Old 06-12-2016, 05:46 PM
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I got in a bit over my head when I purchased that Unreel book covering his playing.

oops...maybe in 10 years I'll be able to work out of that book.

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Old 06-12-2016, 06:04 PM
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Reading all this stuff about drummers and whether they're good, great or something else always leads me to one thing: their resume.

See who a drummer has played or recorded with. A long list of great acts tells you that the drummer is professional, can be counted on, can play the material and is decent to hang with. A great example is Gadd. I won't provide a contrary example as I want to stay positive, but there are BIG, BIG guys with horrible resumes (I.e. Lots of clinics and bands they've had to assemble). Of course there are exceptions as there always are.
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Old 06-19-2016, 11:54 AM
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Old 06-20-2016, 12:59 AM
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The Brian Eisenberg Jazz Orchestra is cool, thanks for the link, I ordered the CD !
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:32 AM
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Is there any way to know exactly which tracks Vinnie played on? For example he is listed as one of several drummers on two Faith Hill records. How do we know which are Vinnie?
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:35 AM
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I'm not reading the whole thread, but I saw it come up, so I'll say:

I love his playing. He is worthy of every drop of praise that went his way.

Great, great stuff.
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Old 10-18-2016, 10:32 PM
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A good friend of mine, Nicolas Meier, who is a great guitarist originally from Switzerland, and with whom I've played on a few occasions over the last 20 years or so, has been touring with Jeff Beck for the last three years.

Now he has a new CD out with no less than Vinnie Colaiuta & Jimmy Haslip
I'm listening to the CD right now, and it is fresh and different.
Vinnie is allowed to stretch, so do yourself a favor if you like him!

Nicolas Meier's site is here www.meiergroup.com
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Old 02-22-2017, 05:45 AM
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:33 PM
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:27 AM
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Wow. I don't know if it's the lack of glasses. The ever retreating hairline. Or the extra lines on his face. But if this picture was shown to me on a "Who Am I" trivia quiz, I'd have struggled to recognise him.
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I like the look! Kind of George Of The Jungle-ish :).
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At least he's lost some weight.
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He's from around here somewhere.....Uniontown, PA I think. He's a phenomenal talent but there's other drummers I'd rather listen to/watch. More of a personal taste thing with me as opposed to a "who's better".
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Old 02-26-2017, 12:31 PM
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...

Hey guys, so whats Vinnie's given name?" I heard someone say Vincenzo Enzomassimilio Colauita.

Anyone knows for sure?

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Old 03-03-2017, 05:13 PM
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Vinnie's signature stick has been absent from the Vic Firth catalog for the past few months.

http://vicfirth.com/signature-series/
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Vinnie's signature stick has been absent from the Vic Firth catalog for the past few months.
Vinnie no longer endorses Vic Firth.

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I thought so — quite confident he'd say it was a 5B anyway...

So what's up with http://www.livemusetv.com/ ?

Is that something he's a co-founder/owner and plans on developing live content?
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So what's up with http://www.livemusetv.com/ ?

Is that something he's a co-founder/owner and plans on developing live content?
Yes, it's all him. Live streaming concerts etc.
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Old 03-09-2017, 04:57 AM
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After watching the Vinnie, Dave and Steve battle and some of his other vids it made me realize how overrated Vinne is. All I watched him do in his solo's was roll variations all over the place, he had no creavitity, feel, groove or anything that showed me he thinks about what he's doing when he soloing. Also his solo's are allways the same thing....but in slightly different ways. On the other hand Dave's & Steve's solos were nicley put together and had some sort of feel to them that it was like they had an identity. That said I dont think Vinnie is a bad drummer by any means, obviously he knows how to play, but I think I could find a drummer from every town in the world that i'd enjoy listening to more than Vinnie.

PS- Somthing that pissed me off in the battle was that after everytime Vinnie did his little solo, the fans allways cheered, but when Dave or Steve did, they didn't. I'm pretty sure the reason for this is because ignorant people who dont play the drums can only appreciate speed and can't appreactate the works of art displayed by the other two drummers.
Yeah people cheered just after Vinnie's every fast rolls. IMO Weckl had the best feel with fluidity and musicality out of the 3. But just in that particular "battle" scenario, the audience were in the expectation of flaming firework blasts so Weckl didn't stand out.
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Yeah people cheered just after Vinnie's every fast rolls. IMO Weckl had the best feel with fluidity and musicality out of the 3. But just in that particular "battle" scenario, the audience were in the expectation of flaming firework blasts so Weckl didn't stand out.
So how do you blokes explain the biggest cheers actually going to Gadd's obligatory cow bell groove?
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So how do you blokes explain the biggest cheers actually going to Gadd's obligatory cow bell groove?
Cowbells are just cool. I remember the crowd at Jazz Alley lighting up every time Stanton Moore went to the cowbell.

Two things struck me from that 'battle' video: Gadd is obviously the only groove drummer of the three ... and they all have the same hairstyle.
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... and they all have the same hairstyle.
Yes, the mullet parade was an (in)glorious celebration of the 80's wasn't it.
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So how do you blokes explain the biggest cheers actually going to Gadd's obligatory cow bell groove?
Well, there's the song recognition of Late In The Evening, plus a general familiarity with his playing vocabulary.

But the most masculine, emphatic cheer goes to Vinnie for his nasty 32nd note hand-foot roll down, and then up, the whole kit. It's ridiculously difficult to play, especially at that speed, but it's played loud and clean. Listen to the crowd after that fill. It's not merely applause; it's a victory cheer.
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It's always funny when we talk about that drum battle again like it's the only musical contribution these guys have ever made.

All of Vinnie's solos sound the same? ROFL Free like Charlie Parker that guy is, and still to this day unique in the level of time and control when going for it.
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All of Vinnie's solos sound the same? ROFL Free like Charlie Parker that guy is, and still to this day unique in the level of time and control when going for it.

You're preaching to the converted my brothers. Personally, I thought Vinnie smoked that gig. But I wasn't about to get into an argument over matters of taste.

I did however, find it interesting that the guys had the blinkers on so tightly that they missed the obvious en masse orgasm over a funky cowbell groove in their haste to make some pretty dubious points. I thought it well worth pointing out.
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