Philly Joe Jones

i love his little fills, he just places them perfectly, especially on the brushes

QUESTION: in miles' biography he says that he would tell drummers he played with to "play that joe jones lick"......what the hell is that lick!???
would it be the one where he just plays the left hand on it's own for a bar or two after playing say, some triplets??
 
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Philly Joe Jones... first heard him on Coltranes 'Blue Train' album. Then fell in love with his playing on ''Round About Midnight'. I have recently purchased the Workin', Steamin', Cookin' and Relaxin' albums.
Anyone who has not checked out Lee Morgan's 'The Cooker' MUST! The version of 'A Night In Tunisia' is my favourite and the whole band really, really cooks! The man! Philly Joe!
 
QUESTION: in miles' biography he says that he would tell drummers he played with to "play that joe jones lick"......what the hell is that lick!???
would it be the one where he just plays the left hand on it's own for a bar or two after playing say, some triplets??

You mean the "Philly" lick. I've been wondering about that, too. It's hard to get a specific idea from how Miles Davis talks about it, and he says that Jones made a lot of money playing that lick.

So what is the "Philly" lick?
 
according to that video on drummerworld, philly joe played with monk? did not know that, any albums you guys know of with this monk+philly thing goin on?

Can't remember album names, but apparently it was around 1959. Here a link.
 
You mean the "Philly" lick. I've been wondering about that, too. It's hard to get a specific idea from how Miles Davis talks about it, and he says that Jones made a lot of money playing that lick.

So what is the "Philly" lick?

I think the "Philly" lick is actually an over-the-bar lead in to the next solo in a song. It's the one where he kicks off the new solo in bar one (often after a break in the last two bars of the last solo, serving as a solo lead-in for the next instrumentalist), by playing a hi-hat "splash" on beat one followed by another on beat four which he sustains for a few beats. He used the left hand stick to increase the "splash" effect as well.

The drummers who followed PJJ into Miles Davis's groups didn't copy licks exactly, but used this idea voiced in a variety of ways, as do many contemporary jazz drummers like Brian Blade.

On a totally unrelated note...I found this link showing Philly doing a backwards roll as well as a showy elbow shot to the hi-hat. Pretty cool.
 
The 'Philly Lick' is actually just a cross stick on beat 4 in the second measure of a 2 measure phrase during comping. Listen to how much Cobb used that when he replaced PJJ, he was the first one to get told that, if I recall, coming from Cobb himself.

GB

Hi Gregg !

Good to see you're still doing well !

Still in UK ? How thing's going ?
 
Re,1,): Philly Joe Jones , Live sessions ..

Dear Jazz-Fans, here is my *youTUBE*-page-Collections of Live Radio-programs, of jazz-sessions of 'Philly' Joe Jones..Thanks, Ciao fabio ..
-> [email protected]
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-244-cd- Bill Evans, p ,Trio Live in ^ SanRemo ^,1978(Italy)
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5qKWBlN0GM
,TRIO- ..Marc Johnson,cb.. 'Philly' Joe
Jones,dr Live in ^ SanRemo ^ jazz-club (Italy) ,
on 23' july-1978 ..x) long version ,w. more tunes,t. 52'.
1 intro(0:19) ,,02 Bill's eat tune(5:40)
3 Sugar plum(6:03) ,,04 Theme from "Mash"(4:10)
5 ?(5:02) ,,06 ?,(4:23) ,07 ?(4:33)
8 Nardis(10:25) ,09 ?(3:58) ,,10 ?(4:50)
11 Who can I turn to (2:26)

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-19-cd-*PHILLY* JOE JONES.dr.+.DexterGordon.6xt.Ossiac,1969..
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p0EviDI0vo
,dexter gordon.6xt-dusko gojcokovic.tr+larry vukovic..p...
.isla ekingèr.cb..’PHILLY’ JOE JONES.dr...
n. ntzokho.prx Live in Ossiac ,3* July,1969..

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75-cd-*PHILLY* JOE JONES.dr ,^Dameronia^’ band ,1983..
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlL3SEBcwtM
‘philly’ joe jones.dr ,^Dameronia^’ band live..jazz-festv-
Amsterdham(.Holland.) on ,12’’august1983(.radio-program.)..

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-104-cd-*PHILLY* JOE JONES.dr,+,Johnny Griffin.4t,Live,1969..
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ElihITLrA8
Johnny Griffin.sax..’'philly'' joe jones.dr, 4t,Live at ,‘’Jazzhaus’’
, Live in Hamburg at ‘’Jazzhaus’’on ,4’ april 1969. t.33’..

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-106-cd-*PHILLY* JOE JONES.dr,4t. Live in New York.1983.,
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npE8RpUA3Mw
‘’Philly’’ Joe Jones.dr,,4t. Live in New York.City,,
at ‘’The Forum’’, Walter Davis.jr..p,, Charles Davis.sax,, Larry
Ridley.cb, ,22* January1983, Direct Live Radio-Jazz program) t.64'..

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-219-cd- *PHILLY* JOE JONES, dr.-5t.,Live in Laren,1985..
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghePL1YGr84
Clifford Jordan.sax. Slide Hampton.tb.+.Isla Ekinger.cb..,
,Cees Slinger.p ,Live in Laren (Holland) 19’ april ,1985 ..

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7,)cd- *PHILLY* JOE JONES ,dr ,5t , ''Live Radio-Jazz ''1977..
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnt5f9-zk6g
,Benny Bailey,tr ,Charles Bowen,sax , Cess Slingers,p..
,Wilbur Little,cb ''Live Jazz Program'' Francia ,10*December 1977..

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-223-cd-*PHILLY* JOE JONES ,dr ^The Century Orchestra^,1983..
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ8cF3KqJ1Q
Philly Joe Jones, Sunny Murray, Odean Pope,sax...
^ Change of the Century Orchestra ^..
'' Painted Bride Art Center '' , Philadelphia,..
Pennsylvania,. on ,8* October ,1983
Odean Pope,sax ,,Charles Bowen,sax
Monette Sudler,guitar ,,Khan Jamal,vib.
Eddie Green,p. ,,Yusef Yancy - tr.,,Johnny Coles.tr
John Minnis, tb,Tyrone Brown,cb ,Philly Joe Jones,dr. Sunny Murray,dr
1. Introductions ,,2. Transitions (Monette Sudler)..
3. Sis ,,4. Percussion Trio (Philly Joe Jones, Sunny Murray,..
, Yousef Yancy) ,,5. Labyrinth ,,
6. Trailways Express (by, Philly Joe Jones)...

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-282-cd-*PHILLY* JOE JONES,,dr ,5t Live'' Radio - Jazz'',1969..
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTGrwqpz-zE
Live ''Radio - Jazz program'' ^Jazz sur scène ^ ,1969..
, 25' February ,1969, ''Philly' ' Joe Jones,dr 5t ..
,Jimmy Gourley,cht ,TONY SCOTT,,clr..
,Renè Urtregèr,p ,Jhon Hart,cb..
)- Two Bass Hit - It Don't Mean a Thing..

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-b)-Elvin Jones,dr -TRIO ,,joe farrell,sax , Jimmy garrison, cb
-c)-Art Blakey ,dr Jazz Messengers , billy hardman ,tr ,billy Harper
,sax ,Julian priester,tb,ronniw mathews,p
,erschall Evans,cb.. Slide Delights)You don't know what love is,,

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-20-cd-*PHILLY* JOE JONES.dr.+.SONNY STITT,sax-5t..'70s.
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZiK3ZrtRzE&feature=em-upload_owner
Live jazz stage in Europe, unknown venues, & musicians..
, DEXTER GORDON,sax , SONNY STITT,sax..
-blues up , down ,,-on green dolphyn Street ,,-dexter ride again...
-body & soul, ,,-autumn in New York ,, -the theme ...

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-108-cd-*PHILLY* JOE JONES,.dr,+,TONY SCOTT.clr.,5t,,
, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzc9UuQOS1c
Live Europe,, 1968,,, renè urterger.p,, jimmy gourley.cht,,
john hart.cb,,,+,TONY SCOTT.clr ,, ‘philly’ joe jones.dr..-
-a-body and soul ,, -b-Two Bass Hit ,,
-c-dear old Stockholm ,,-d-tune up,,

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-119-/120,-2,cd-,*PHILLY* JOE JONES,dr,+,SUN RA’p,All Stars ,1983..-
,a) , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoQP9XvIzDY
,b) , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E77Uc_RHbww
*Sun Rà*,p..Arkestra All Stars Live at Teather ^Chiack^..Milano
,, in Italy ,27* October 1983 1^pt.CD.-.
-Sun Ra-p, keyb Don Cherry-tp Lester Bowie-tp Marshall Allen-as,
John Gilmore-ts Archie Shepp-ts,, Richard Davis,cb Clifford Jarvis,dr
*PHILLY*Joe Jones,dr. Famoudou Don Moyè, perxc
x-1^cd ,1 title,,2 title,,3 east of the sun,,4 king porter stomp/tape flip..-
x-2^cd ,,5 tape flip//king porter stomp ,,6 what's new? ,,
7 unidentified blues ,,8 cocktails for two ,,9 spontaneous simplicity
,,10 space is the place.. ,,11 title.. ,2^pt.CD...-
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-49-cd-.*PHILLY* JOE JONES,,dr ,+,RED GARLAND,,pTrio,1977..
,1, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3uWWt0gHG0
,2, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8aND2UAgl0
,3,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAoziBbX-LA&feature=em-upload_owner
, Red Garland,,p Trio , Live at ''Keystones''.1977..
in San Francisco ,U.S.A,, on ,12* march,1977...
,LeRoy Vinnegar,cb.*'PHILLY* JOE JONES,,dr ,,
-Autumn Leaves.. -It is Impossible.. -Daahoud/New York theme..
-It is All Right With Me.. -Green Dolphyn Street/New Yorh,theme..
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Re2,: Philly Joe Jones

.. thank you Fabio,very useful stuff..
-x-> YES , dear Francis, I sincerily hope that ''those'' Live
jazz Clips could be of any sort of ''helps'' for listening & copying the
..stroking-hands pattens.. of the great 'Philly' Joe Jones..
Ciao fabio ,Roma ..
 
I did a search and nothing showed up, much to my dismay....

Anyhow, I recently bought Cookin' and Relaxin' by The Miles Davis Quintet and was very impressed with his drumming. He plays whats just right for the song and I love his drumming on Airegin from Cookin'.

What are your thoughts on him?
Bro, right with you brother, dude please try Milestones, Philly was sick, in a sextet, only playing with a pair of hats, 1 ride A snare, Kick & a Floor Tom only, he sounds like he's playing on a 4 piece kit 4real bro !!!
 
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