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Old 08-19-2014, 05:56 PM
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I was asked yesterday to fill in on drums for a friends band this Friday night. I said ok, and told my current band out of respect. The bass players dad has had nothing but bad things to say about the venue since I mentioned it. "coke bar" very seedy etc. I could care less and its actually good money. If the gig goes well, im going to try to book my band there! has anyone ever avoided doing a gig because of a venues bad reputation? they pay in advance so the reputation only reflects the patrons, not the owners or treatment of the band.
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Old 08-19-2014, 06:24 PM
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Wait....

They pay in advance?

That's insane!
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Old 08-19-2014, 06:24 PM
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I prefer some venues to others. If the management is OK and they pay then I'd likely play that gig.
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Old 08-19-2014, 06:27 PM
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Well at some point you do have to worry about your safety. And the safety of your drum set.

If I heard it was a really bad place, I would go to the venue to check it out.

Then you will know if you need to bring a body guard or not.
Or if you have to put up some chicken wire between you and the audience.

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Old 08-19-2014, 06:31 PM
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Wait....

They pay in advance? That's insane!
Yeah Larry, they pay in advance probably because everyone including the management gets so wasted they can't count out the money at the end of the gig.

(Or maybe they get robbed so often there is usually no money left at the end of the gig. LOL )


But it's a nice place.


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Old 08-19-2014, 07:01 PM
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I've only ever balked at playing in one local venue -- simply because the mgmt tried to short us at the end of the night one time. We had a weekly residency and always worked w/the venue during slow turn-outs/summer vacation time etc -- so it's not like we're all about the $$.

Typically we'd pack this hole out regularly -- one night (about 8 yrs ago) they want to short us some small amount of money when we had a nice crowd, played late by request etc... stopped the residency and none of us ever returned...

Lucky for us this was one of only a couple times anything like that has happened.
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Old 08-19-2014, 08:26 PM
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I usually try to book bars with bad reputations. Unless the reputation is that nobody shows up. Sometimes a nice fight fight in the crowd makes for a great show.

BTW, whats this pay in advance thing you speak of? Not sure I understand the concept.
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Old 08-19-2014, 08:58 PM
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I usually try to book bars with bad reputations. Unless the reputation is that nobody shows up. Sometimes a nice fight fight in the crowd makes for a great show.

BTW, whats this pay in advance thing you speak of? Not sure I understand the concept.
weird to me as well but they pay this band at the beginning of the night, not the end. not sure if that's true with all bands that play there but it goes for them.
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Old 08-19-2014, 09:12 PM
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I've never even heard of bars paying beforehand. Parties, yea, but never a bar. Sounds like a good guy with a bar that has questionable clientele.
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Old 08-19-2014, 10:51 PM
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There are definitely places I don't like to play. So, if given the offer to play said venue, I might pass. Our band has a TON of gear. Guitarist has three heads and four cabs of various dimension, and our bassist has two heads driving two cabs. I have my four piece JB sized kit. So loud out is something to consider.

One venue has basement parking that the homeless are fond of. The underground parking also serves as a urinal. Yay! There is a sketchy elevator that my bassist and I piled into with two fridge cabs. As soon as we got in, we smelled the dried urine and didn't let anything besides the casters touch the ground. Well we are standing there and the door took like a minute and a half to close. Then, it just sat there not moving for another minute. All the while we are inhaling a pleasant scent of bio-hazard. Finally, it begins to climb, but stops on the street level. We repeat the process to make it one more floor up to the gig. We would have just sucked it up and parked street level if there was anywhere left, and just suck it up and take the three flights of stairs. But we bought the ticket as Hunter S. Thompson would say, so we took the ride, like, ten more times...

We are a loud rock and roll band, so we roll with the punches, but it would have to be an AWESOME gig to want to go back to that dirty hole. Other places might suck because there is one way in and out for people and bands alike. When you play the middle set, you are competing with people loitering around in the walk ways. Sigh...

So for us, it can be more of a matter of practical convenience.

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Old 08-20-2014, 03:51 AM
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The reputation of management to uphold their end of the bargain has always been far more important to me than the reputation of the venue itself.

I've played my share of less than reputable venues before and as long as I thought we'd be safe, the gear would be safe and whatever agreements we had would be honoured, then I'd never consider not playing. I've only ever been party to "boycotting" venues after the fact. Usually in response to being ripped off. In those cases it was management not being up front that prompted the call. The place being a dive had nothing to do with it.
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Old 08-20-2014, 05:32 AM
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I'll play almost anywhere, but there is one venue in town we won't play and that is because the company who handles all their booking has jerked us around so much we can't take it anymore.
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:13 PM
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Regular to the London circuit so I come across my fair share of venues/promoters who I wouldn't want to see again in a hurry.

There's only one venue I wouldn't play again and that's due to playing it several times with different promoters. It's aptly named after a type of vermin, which suits my feelings on it well.

Each time we have been there we have been messed around. Seems like they get the pushy promoters in there who just short change people in certain situations for fun. It's a tiny little venue, can barely swing a cat around the room but their big claim to fame is that some famous people have played there over the ages.

Once I turned up there and they had overbooked the amount of acts, despite confirming the show weeks before with the band I was in at the time (who had two members who travelled around 200miles to do it). We were told that we could play if 30 followers of the band showed up, if they didn't we wouldn't get our slot. They tried selling it to us on the basis that we'd get a quick 15minute slot.

We didn't hang around and my mum wouldn't be pleased with me on what responded with to the promoter.

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Old 08-20-2014, 10:19 PM
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My one and only rule for venues:

I will never play anywhere that has a salad bar in the same room.
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:19 PM
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Never avoided a gig because of the venue itself, or the people. Maybe the diciest gig I've ever done was for an L.A. area biker club at their clubhouse, but Crash - the sergeant at arms - made sure nobody got out of hand with us.

And while it's rare, it's not unheard of for a band to be paid before they start. One of my bands gets a check up front, and it's just a bar gig, although in an upscale area and with solid business.

I've also never turned down a gig based on musical preferences, although I recently did stop/reduce the number of days I'll play a well-known casino with well-known miserable v-drums. Got some serious Roland Elbow on that kit, and really began to resent almost every aspect of the gig. I just hated hating it and felt it was best to walk away.

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Old 08-21-2014, 02:45 PM
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My one and only rule for venues:

I will never play anywhere that has a salad bar in the same room.
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haha im stealing this!

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And while it's rare, it's not unheard of for a band to be paid before they start. One of my bands get's a check up front, and it's just a bar gig, although in an upscale area and with solid business.

I've also never turned down a gig based on musical preferences
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its a first for me being paid up front. this music isn't completely my style. some of the songs I know and my band does as well, but the Elvis medley they do will be interesting.
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Old 08-21-2014, 04:13 PM
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My one and only rule for venues:

I will never play anywhere that has a salad bar in the same room.
....again.
My imagination is conjuring a scene where people were throwing salad at your band. I hope it didn't go down like that lol.

I walked out of a gig before even setting up once. The guy who hired me is a real jerk type of guy. It was an empty Italian restaurant and the owner wanted the whole band to set up on a 4' x 4' stairway landing. Since that was impossible, the owner joked that one guy could be on this stairway, and one guy could be on another stairway and another guy on the 2nd level. So as the owner was smiling about this, I too smiled and chuckled along with him and I said yea I'm outta here and walked out. As I walked by the guy that hired me I said to him, "you drug me all the way out here for this? Don't ever call me anymore."

The remaining 2 guys did it as a keyboard/guitar duo and when they were done they ended up getting stiffed by the owner, so I made the right move. Plus the guy that hired me...I really don't like this man at all, he's rude and not like-able in any way. Plus he lives like a slob, I've been to his house. Oh and he smells.
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Regular to the London circuit so I come across my fair share of venues/promoters who I wouldn't want to see again in a hurry.

There's only one venue I wouldn't play again and that's due to playing it several times with different promoters. It's aptly named after a type of vermin, which suits my feelings on it well.

Each time we have been there we have been messed around. Seems like they get the pushy promoters in there who just short change people in certain situations for fun. It's a tiny little venue, can barely swing a cat around the room but their big claim to fame is that some famous people have played there over the ages.

Once I turned up there and they had overbooked the amount of acts, despite confirming the show weeks before with the band I was in at the time (who had two members who travelled around 200miles to do it). We were told that we could play if 30 followers of the band showed up, if they didn't we wouldn't get our slot. They tried selling it to us on the basis that we'd get a quick 15minute slot.

We didn't hang around and my mum wouldn't be pleased with me on what responded with to the promoter.

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What venue was this do you mind me asking?
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What venue was this do you mind me asking?
Sounds like the Water Rats to me.

EDIT: Damn, beaten to it.

Had a very bad experience a couple of years ago at a reasonably famous gig venue in Kentish Town named after a farmyard animal that has since closed down. Decent hall, good bar, decent sound system but the sound engineer got absolutely hammered half way into the set and we ended up waiting between songs whilst he *%&^ed around on the desk trying to get rid of vocal monitor feedback that he'd started in the first place. I would play the venue again but never with that sound man present.

I'm very sad that a great local venue to me is having problems. The Tap and Tin in Chatham, Kent was a fantastic place for years but has sadly had a lot of financial issues of late. Saw a couple of very decent bands there.
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Had a very bad experience a couple of years ago at a reasonably famous gig venue in Kentish Town named after a farmyard animal that has since closed down. Decent hall, good bar, decent sound system but the sound engineer got absolutely hammered half way into the set and we ended up waiting between songs whilst he *%&^ed around on the desk trying to get rid of vocal monitor feedback that he'd started in the first place. I would play the venue again but never with that sound man present.

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There is one venue where I live that is actually a really nice place and was built 'to better the music community' or whatever, but they're pretty notorious for screwing over touring bands by taking HUGE cuts of the door, plus all drink sales. That place has pretty much become the 'last resort venue' for our local scene. Touring bands coming through stand to make more money playing in garages than playing there.

Really sucks, it's a nice place.
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There's a couple venues in Chicago that I more than occasionally hear people saying they refuse to deal with. Though some of the people I hear from are also prone to being unrealistic about their own responsibilities when it comes to promoting the shows they get booked for, showing up on time, playing the actual timeslot you are given....ect. So I take things with a grain of salt. It's more to do with the person promoting a specific night anyway, and that can be a different person depending on the day of the week, or the same person at multiple venues.

I do remember one venue (not gonna name them) 10 years ago who catered to the metal scene here. From day one they became known for stiffing bands, adding last minute "mystery bands" to the bill and falsifying door receipts, telling bands they had no setup time to use their own equipment and then charging a backline fee....all kinds of shady practices. It got to the point where some of the more established bands used their own sites to tell everyone to simply boycott them. That venue is now closed and shuttered thankfully.
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Old 08-22-2014, 07:28 PM
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We did a gig about an hour away one time at a bar that does lots of live music and we were opening for some good touring bands that matched our style. Heard that the 3 bands were going to split some of the night's take... Okay.

Wasn't till the end of the night as we were holding out our hands that we got the old "Oh, you didn't know? We only pay the touring bands and have local bands up for the exposure!".

Yea, not playing there again, even though they asked us back a few times. I guess they think we like getting stiffed and want to come back for more.
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The Water Rats, I would presume.
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Sounds like the Water Rats to me.

EDIT: Damn, beaten to it.
Good guesses (I didn't make it hard enough)

Funny enough I checked out their web page in recent days off the back of this post and they are now working with promoters we have just done a show with who were a decent bunch of people so maybe there's hope for others now playing there. I'm still not keen on returning despite this simply due to my past experiences there.

Strangely though not many bands regular on the circuit seem to play there these days.
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Old 08-25-2014, 03:19 PM
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wow, not the best or the worst gig but man what an interesting night. first, the band has no bass player...at all! one electric and 2 acoustics. singer is amazing and the electric was outstanding. those were the high points.

I kind of wondered if they had enough songs...well we played Hotel California 3 times so the answer is no. also, without telling me, they would call out certain songs and ask if I knew them. I would say yes, and then they would go into THEIR slowed down changed version. it was hard to follow at times not knowing their arrangements.
they said they wanted to try an original, it was All Along the Watchtower, same vocals and everything, just one third the speed? Original?? it was a strange night, I realized it wasn't the venue but the patrons that will keep me from going there again. They were either way too drunk, stoned or on coke. pick one of the three. the guy who asked me to sit in asked if I wanted a shot of Jack when I was setting up, I said no....then he pulled out a bottle and did a shot...his own bottle??? he put it on the window sill next to....a fully packed bowl! he got drunk and stoned through the entire gig. Pot is not legal here either so it was pretty crazy to see it sitting there in the open. one plus I guess, it was so laid back I didn't break a sweat the whole night.
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